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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/movies/16milk.html

After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco


Left, Harvey Milk in 1978; right, Sean Penn in “Milk.”

By MICHAEL CIEPLY
Published: October 15, 2008

LOS ANGELES — One morning in 1978 a disgruntled San Francisco politician, Dan White, climbed through a City Hall window, assassinated Mayor George Moscone, then shot and killed an openly gay adversary on the city’s Board of Supervisors named Harvey Milk.

It was a fractured moment in a troubled time and place. Memories of it soon will be roiling the Oscar race.

On Oct. 28 Focus Features expects to introduce its film “Milk,” directed by Gus Van Sant with Sean Penn in the title role, at a gala in San Francisco hosted by local luminaries, at least one of whom — Senator Dianne Feinstein, then the president of the board of supervisors — was just steps away when Mr. Milk and Mayor Moscone were shot. The movie will begin playing in some theaters on Nov. 26, just ahead of the 30th anniversary of the killings on Nov. 27, then gain wider release as the awards season gets under way.

Already the film is drawing attention as an early contender in the coming Oscar race. Following early screenings, for instance, Hollywood insiders and others have been startled by Mr. Penn’s picture-perfect rendering of Mr. Milk, a politician who was at once gawky, ambitious and unforgettable to those whose lives he touched. “Sean’s portrayal of Harvey is so beautifully right,” Cleve Jones, a Milk friend who is played in the film by Emile Hirsch, said in a phone interview.

Yet the movie presents no small challenge for Focus, the specialty division owned by NBC Universal that two years ago pushed its gay-theme Brokeback Mountain to the cusp of Oscar glory with eight nominations, only to see “Crash”  win best picture.

This time around, studio marketers are wrestling with an inherently political film at a time when audiences have been wary of them. Only last weekend the combined star power of Leonardo DiCaprio and Russell Crowe was not enough to save an issues-oriented thriller, “Body of Lies,”  which opened poorly for Warner Brothers.

Focus and Mr. Van Sant will have to connect millions of filmgoers with a world that could seem weirdly disconnected, even back then. Only nine days before the murders, for example, the Rev. Jim Jones, whose People’s Temple had become influential in San Francisco politics, had orchestrated the death of more than 900 followers and others at Jonestown in Guyana.

The publishing heiress Patricia Hearst, meanwhile, was tucked in a Bay Area prison, the consequence of her engaging in a bank robbery for the Symbionese Liberation Army, which had kidnapped her.

“You’re giving me an acid flashback to all the chatter before ‘Brokeback,’ ” said James Schamus, chief executive of Focus, responding to a question about the universal message in Mr. Milk’s struggles. Those could turn on matters as weighty as gay rights, or as slight as an ordinance requiring dog owners to clean up after their pets.

“Harvey said, ‘This is a quest for everybody’s rights,’ ” Mr. Schamus said. “That was his genius.”

If the ranch hands of “Brokeback” were subdued, nothing about Mr. Milk was. He loudly insisted that gay people should be out of the closet, at a time when public homosexuality was largely confined to San Francisco and a few like-minded enclaves.

Mr. Milk’s grandest political battle was his successful fight against a California initiative that would have banned gay teachers from the state’s public schools. His roughest was the backroom scrap in which he helped to block Mr. White’s reappointment to a supervisor’s post from which he had resigned two weeks earlier. Mayor Moscone was planning to discuss that decision publicly on the day of the murders.

(Upon Mr. Moscone’s death Ms. Feinstein, as president of the board of supervisors, became mayor, propelling her political rise. Mr. White would later use a “Twinkie defense,” in which his junk-food diet was cited as representative of his diminished capacity, to avoid conviction for first-degree murder; his conviction on the lesser counts of manslaughter sparked the so-called White Night riots in the city.)

According to the film’s producers and others, some of the political intricacies were whittled from Dustin Lance Black’s script. Though the People’s Temple had supported Mr. Milk, for instance, Mr. Jones was largely cut. “It would take so much time to explain to people who Jim Jones was,” said Dan Jinks, who with his business partner Bruce Cohen are among the movie’s producers.

What remained, according to Mr. Jinks, was the story of a “regular guy” — before politics, Mr. Milk was best known as co-owner of a camera store in the Castro district of San Francisco — who decided to make a difference.

The documentary “The Times of Harvey Milk,” directed by Rob Epstein, won the Oscar for best feature documentary in 1985. “Execution of Justice,”  shown on the Showtime cable network in 1999, was a drama based on the murders.

Mr. Van Sant’s film came together suddenly last year after he and other filmmakers, Bryan Singer and Oliver Stone among them, had struggled for two decades with various attempts to find a feature film in Mr. Milk’s life.

Mr. Black, himself a director, bypassed those earlier efforts, many of them based on Randy Shilts’s book “The Mayor of Castro Street,” and began researching an original script with the help of those who knew Mr. Milk. In early 2007 one of those friends, Mr. Jones, showed the script to Mr. Van Sant, whom he had known for years.

Mr. Van Sant, speaking by telephone, said he signed on partly because Mr. Black had managed to confine the story to the brief and heady period that preceded Mr. Milk’s death. “He made choices,” Mr. Van Sant said.

Mr. Penn joined up, as did Mr. Jinks and Mr. Cohen. They next connected with Groundswell Productions and its chief executive, Michael London, who in turn joined Focus in financing a film that cost a relatively modest $20 million or so to make.

Yet “Milk” acquired a kind of epic quality as much of San Francisco became involved. “It took on almost Tolstoyan proportions,” Mr. Schamus said of the movie’s familial sprawl.

A number of Mr. Milk’s aging associates are not only portrayed in the film, they also have bit parts. Danny Nicoletta, who worked in Mr. Milk’s camera shop, for instance, is played by Lucas Grabeel of “High School Musical”  and, in turn, plays Carl Carlson, an aide to Mr. Milk who was one of the last to see him alive. In addition Mr. Nicoletta advised Mr. Black on the script and worked as the film’s still photographer.

In one more twist this month’s premiere, a benefit for various gay and lesbian youth groups, will open with a screening at the Castro Theater, near the site of Mr. Milk’s old camera shop, and will end with dinner and dancing at City Hall, where he died.

The moral in all of it, Mr. Van Sant said, is ultimately political. “It’s an illustration of pretty extreme grass-roots politics,” he said of his film’s message, “that you can do it.”

But others are hoping that he has found the beating heart in Mr. Milk.

“He wasn’t Mother Teresa,” Tom Ammiano, a San Francisco supervisor who appears in the movie, said of Mr. Milk. “He just connected with people, one by one.”
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Merci jmmgallagher,

More please.

LOVE YOU Harvey Milk !

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Thanks John.  I'm looking forward to this.

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Thanks, John.  I thought the Milk documentary was very compelling; I am very interested in seeing the new Milk film.
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I'm looking forward to this movie. No release date has been set yet for Belgium, looks like I'm going to have to be patient.

Thanks for posting the article John.
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I hope that it will become very important this movie about Milk !

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I hope that it will become very important this movie about Milk !

I believe it will!

MILK                                                                             (2:29)
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The Last Words of Harvey Milk                                   (1:08)
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-28/my-date-with-sean-penn/1/

My Date With Sean Penn
by Howard Rosenman


Excerpts from my diary: How I ended up acting opposite Penn and (a nude) James Franco on the set of Gus Van Sant’s new movie, Milk.

I’ve been producing films and TV shows since the 1970s–Father of the Bride, Buffy the Vampire Slayer–but I’d never acted in a major motion picture until I received a call asking if I’d like a part in Gus Van Sant’s Harvey Milk biopic, Milk. The very last thing I thought I’d ever do was to become an actor. Here’s how it happened.

Francine Maisler, the famous and brilliant casting director (she cast Spiderman ) said to Gus, "We should get someone who looks like Howard Rosenman, who speaks like Howard Rosenman, and who has Howard Rosenman's vibe…to play David Goodstein.” Goodstein was a rich, gay New York Jew who moved to San Francisco in the early ‘70s and became a political kingmaker. He and Harvey Milk (played by Sean Penn) did not get along. My scenes would be with Sean.

Gus says to Francine: “Can he act?"

Francine calls me: "Have you ever acted before?"

"Yes," I answer. “I played Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady  at camp when I was 14. It was in Hebrew.” Francine hired me for the part. Gus, Francine, Dan Jinks, Bruce Cohen and Michael London called to tell me I was hired for the part.

Over the next three weeks my greatest and closest friends, Peter Spears and Susan Landau, spent hours running lines with me, endlessly giving me hints and intentions and motivations. I'm in business with Al Pacino now; we're developing Betsy and Napoleon about Napoleon's exile in St. Helena. The day I heard about the part in Milk I happened to have a meeting with Al at the brand new monumental Pharaohnic CAA office building. I was crazed and nervous and couldn’t process the fact that I was going to be acting with one of the great players in American cinema, Sean Penn. So I hesitantly said to Al, "When you played the part of Roy Cohn in Angels in America, did you study him and research him and try to imitate him?" He squinted and peered up at me with a cocked head, and in that low rumble and inimitable voice of his he answered, "Kid, they bought Howard Rosenman. Play Howard Rosenman."

When you’re a producer, you think you’re at the top of the heap. But you’re not. Once you are an actor, it's like you’re in their fraternity, and instead of all that egotistical stuff that’s caricaturized by the Bette Davis-Joan Crawford paradigm, great actors are EGOLESS. They want you to be at your best so they can get to the emotional truth of the characters. It’s as if you’re stripped naked, and everyone is so sensitive looking at everyone else's nakedness. You also become part of "a band of players, a troupe, a family.

James Franco, indeed, plays part of the scene nude. I (David Goodstein) have a grand and luxurious home with an indoor pool. James, who plays Harvey's boyfriend, jumps into the pool nude and then has an argument with me…nude. I dare say, it was extremely mind-blowing.

That first day on the set, I was dressed in a very expensive suit and monogrammed shirt and tie and vest that Danny Glicker, the wonderfully funny and talented costume designer, had built for me. Gus decided I should do a bit of "business,” so he gave me a pool skimmer. He then suggested I wear a bathing suit. I thought I was going to die. “I can’t say no…I have to be a pro and go with this…but oy vey...I’m not tan enough…and all that kugel…”

Gus saw the look in my eyes and whispered, “Don’t worry. You’ll be covered in a bathrobe.” Phew.

Danny put a beige towel-like robe on me and Gus didn't like it, so he called up Robin Williams, whose house was next door, and we got three robes from Robin’s closet. I eventually ended up wearing a baby-blue Hotel Bel Air robe with a beautiful white shawl collar. Danny then dressed me in a pair of brown leather Mexican sandals, a beautiful and very chunky gold and diamond watch, and two pinky rings…presto! I was David Goodstein in 1973.

With all this going on, Sean entered, wearing a long, curly brown wig and brown contact lenses, the spitting image of the Jewish hippie-ish Harvey Milk: sexy, handsome, and dangerous. He glanced at me and immediately discerned the terror in my eyes. Very quietly, practically soto voce, he leaned into me:

“You have nothing to worry about. I’ve only played gay once in my life and that was in Albert Innaurato’s The Transformation of Benno Blimpie and that was on the stage when I was really young. I’ve never played gay on screen. So here’s the deal: You have my back and I have your back and we’ll both get through this together.” His generosity was enormously inspiring and I totally relaxed. All my scenes were with the prodigiously talented Stephen Spinella (Tony Kushner wrote “Angels In America” specifically for him) and Stephen both calmed me and taught me so much.

Gus’s only “note” to me was to be more like Howard Rosenman: bombastic, arrogant, contemptuous, relaxed and in control. Every time I finished a take that he liked, Gus smiled at me or gave me a thumbs up or winked. He always acknowledged the work and I watched him do it with all the actors.

After they got the written takes, Gus said:

"OK guys, now rip it out and improvise and say anything you want." Of course it became very political, since Harvey had a revolutionary's point of view, and David Goodstein had the polar opposite. David always wanted to work through the system. We eventually started screaming at each other, red in the face, veins pulsating on our foreheads. James Franco entered the fray and it was fuckin’ wild. At the end of the day, Sean hugged me and said I was great and he never could've done it without me. James Franco, who kept calling me "cutie" in the role—contemptuously—came over to me and buried his head in my neck:

"Man, I gotta thank you. You were so sensitive to me. Nude scenes are so weird and you were so discrete. You made me feel so relaxed. I owe you so much." Wow! This kid is just gorgeous and so sweet and so very, very talented, really smart and perceptive...and totally straight.

This was the happiest and most gemütlich set I was ever on, and I’ve been on a lot of sets. I also noticed that there were no “star,” director, producer or crew chairs. It was a very democratic set and there was no attempt at hierarchy.

To many of my friends, I’ve contrasted the producer's life with the actor's life. A producer constantly gets told, “No, no, no, no, no,” and an actor gets told :”Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes” (once he gets the part, of course). A close friend said to me, “It’s like one day you’re an ordinary guy, and the next you get to be an astronaut being shot to the Moon!”

The week after I got home I got a call from Ellen Chenowith’s office. She was casting the Coen Brothers' A Serious Man. Brian Swardstrom, my closest friend and now my agent, represents Frances McDormand, and he told Frances that I was great in Milk. Frances said, "Well he's gotta try out for Joel's new movie." Now I'm auditioning for two roles, the Rabbi and a lawyer.

Then Charles Shyer caught wind of my acting. He wrote and directed Father of the Bride. He just wrote Eloise in Paris with his daughter Hallie. He's going to direct it in the fall; Uma Thurman is starring. "Hey babe," purred Charles over the phone. "I hear you just worked with Sean and Gus. I've written a part in Eloise that's right up your alley, an over-the-top French designer. I need a really thick French accent. Nathan Lane wants to play it but I think you're a more original choice. Would you like to read for it?"

So now I've been invited to join the Screen Actors Guild and I'll be eligible for the better benefits (Plan B) of the SAG Health Plan. What a relief; it's much less expensive than my Blue Cross plan!

Maybe when I'm old and grey, I'll finally have a way to make a living.
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It's been interesting to see the audience response to the trailer for MILK. It's been shown before BURN AFTER READING, THE DUTCHESS and W. So the crowds are a bit more sophisticated then typical the typical moviegoer.
 
I've actually heard some hostile comments from ppl in the audience ("Oh, I certainly won't be seeing this!").  Some ppl have been more receptive.

It's a very impressive trailer though I don't know how it's going to do at the cinema.  I think a film needs to gross USD 30,000,000 for it to have a shot at being nominated for best picture.

By the way, in the trailer, there is the unveiling of a giant rainbow flag. I thought the rainbow flag wasn't around back then. It came about in the 1980's. Am I wrong?

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 06:17:28 pm »

By the way, in the trailer, there is the unveiling of a giant rainbow flag. I thought the rainbow flag wasn't around back then. It came about in the 1980's. Am I wrong?

It seems to be correct.
The (original) Pride Flag was flown on June 25, 1978;
Harvey Milk was assassinated five months later, on November 27, 1978--
see below:



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Rainbow flag
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A rainbow flag is a multi-colored flag consisting of stripes in the colors of the rainbow. The actual colors used differ, but many of the designs are based on the traditional scheme of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet, or some more modern division of the rainbow spectrum (often excluding indigo, and sometimes including cyan instead).

The use of rainbow flags has a long tradition; they are displayed in many cultures around the world as a sign of diversity and inclusiveness, of hope and of yearning.

There are several unrelated rainbow flags in use today. The most widely known is perhaps the pride flag representing gay pride. The peace flag is especially popular in Italy and the cooperative flag symbolizes international cooperation. It is also used by Andean people to represent the legacy of the Inca empire (Wiphala) and Andean movements.

(....)

LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) Pride (1978)

The rainbow flag, sometimes called 'the freedom flag', was popularized as a symbol of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) pride and diversity by San Francisco artist Gilbert Baker in 1978. The different colours symbolize diversity in the gay community, and the flag is used predominantly at gay pride events and in gay villages worldwide in various forms including banners, clothing and jewelry. For the 25th Anniversary of the Stonewall riots held in 1996 in New York city a mile-long rainbow flag was created and post-parade cut up in sections that have since been used around the world.

Originally created with eight colors, pink and turquoise were removed for production purposes and as of 2008, it consists of six colored stripes, which should always be displayed with red on top or to left. Aside from the obvious symbolism of a mixed LGBT community, the colors were designed to symbolize: red (life), orange (healing), yellow (sunlight), green (nature), blue (harmony), and purple/violet (spirit). It is most commonly flown with the red stripe on top, as the colours appear in a natural rainbow.


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Rainbow flag (LGBT movement)
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History

The original gay-pride flag was hand-dyed by Gilbert Baker. It flew in the San Francisco Gay Freedom Day Parade on June 25, 1978. (However, it was not the first time that spectrum or rainbow colors had been associated with gay and lesbian people.) The flag consisted of eight stripes; Baker assigned specific meaning to each of the colours as follows:

hot pink: sexuality
red: life
orange: healing
yellow: sunlight
green: nature
turquoise: magic/art
indigo: serenity/harmony
violet: spirit



Original eight-stripe version designed by Gilbert Baker in 1978



Version with hot pink removed due to fabric unavailability. (1978–1979)



Six-color version popular since 1979. Number of stripes reduced to an even number to prevent middle color from being hidden when hung vertically on lampposts, indigo changed to royal blue


After the November 27, 1978, assassination of openly gay San Francisco City Supervisor Harvey Milk, demand for the rainbow flag greatly increased. To meet demand, the Paramount Flag Company began selling a version of the flag using stock rainbow fabric consisting of seven stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, turquoise, blue, and violet. As Baker ramped up production of his version of the flag, he too dropped the hot pink stripe due to the unavailability of hot-pink fabric. Also, San Francisco-based Paramount Flag Co. began selling a surplus stock of Rainbow Girls flags from its Polk Street retail store, which at the time was San Francisco's main gay neighborhood.

In 1979, the flag was modified again. When hung vertically from the lamp posts of San Francisco's Market Street, the center stripe was obscured by the post itself. Changing the flag design to one with an even number of stripes was the easiest way to rectify this, so the turquoise stripe was dropped, which resulted in a six stripe version of the flag - red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet.

In 1989, the rainbow flag came to nationwide attention in the United States after John Stout sued his landlords and won when they attempted to prohibit him from displaying the flag from his West Hollywood, California, apartment balcony.

The rainbow flag celebrated its 25th anniversary in 2003. During the gay pride celebrations in June of that year, Gilbert Baker restored the rainbow flag back to its original eight-striped version and has since advocated that others do the same. However, the eight-striped version has seen little adoption by the wider gay community, which has mostly stuck with the better known six-striped version.

In autumn 2004 several gay businesses in London were ordered by Westminster City Council to remove the rainbow flag from their premises, as its display required planning permission. When one shop applied for permission, the Planning sub-committee refused the application on the chair's casting vote (May 19, 2005), a decision condemned by gay councillors in Westminster and the then Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. In November the council announced a reversal of policy, stating that most shops and bars would be allowed to fly the rainbow flag without planning permission.

Today many LGBT individuals and straight allies often put rainbow flags in the front of their yards and/or front doors, or use rainbow bumper stickers on their vehicles to use as an outward symbol of their identity or support.

On the 14th of June 2004, gay activists sailed to Australia's uninhabited Coral Sea Islands Territory and raised the Gay flag, proclaiming the territory independent of Australia, calling it the Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands.
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 06:28:41 pm »

It's been interesting to see the audience response to the trailer for MILK. It's been shown before BURN AFTER READING, THE DUTCHESS and W. So the crowds are a bit more sophisticated then typical the typical moviegoer.
 
I've actually heard some hostile comments from ppl in the audience ("Oh, I certainly won't be seeing this!").   Some ppl have been more receptive.

It's a very impressive trailer though I don't know how it's going to do at the cinema.  I think a film needs to gross USD 30,000,000 for it to have a shot at being nominated for best picture.

Sad.
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2008, 11:09:44 am »
Did anyone attend the premiere at the Castro yesterday?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/28/BA2J13Q99C.DTL

excerpt:   In an interview on Monday, Milk's campaign manager Anne Kronenberg, who is now a San Francisco public heath administrator, said, "I just saw the movie yesterday, and I still haven't recovered from it. Gus (Van Sant) and the production team caught the era exactly. It's very accurate. What really comes across is that feeling of compatriots and being family that we felt."

Here is a (not great) set of photos from the event:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/georg_lester/sets/72157608467323689/


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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 07:21:36 pm »

Did anyone attend the premiere at the Castro yesterday?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/28/BA2J13Q99C.DTL

excerpt:   In an interview on Monday, Milk's campaign manager Anne Kronenberg, who is now a San Francisco public heath administrator, said, "I just saw the movie yesterday, and I still haven't recovered from it. Gus (Van Sant) and the production team caught the era exactly. It's very accurate. What really comes across is that feeling of compatriots and being family that we felt."

Here is a (not great) set of photos from the event:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/georg_lester/sets/72157608467323689/




Thank you so much!

Yes, any news in re the premiere, anyone?

In re the photo: LOVE Mayor Newsom! Yum!
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 12:23:14 pm »
This trailer showed at a movie I saw the other day, and I heard nothing from the audience, in a good way.



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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2008, 12:32:57 pm »
This trailer showed at a movie I saw the other day, and I heard nothing from the audience, in a good way.




Well that's how ppl responded at my cinema when they saw the trailer for Brokeback Mountain. It was a bit more cryptic. NO RAINBOW FLAGS. NO mention of the word homosexual.  Of course, a friend of mine in Los Angeles said the audience laughed when they saw the trailer for BBM. I guess the L.A. crowd was more in the know about what Brokeback Mountain was going to be about. Of course, by Oscar time, nobody was laughing. 

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2008, 06:37:33 pm »
Interesting posts !

And, merci, that's thanks for description of what each colour means !

More please...
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 11:59:50 pm »
Thanks for your posts, John - especially the clip of Harvey Milk's last words.

In one of those 'small world' or 'six degrees' ways, it turns out that my best friend since junior high is connected to Charles Baker of the Baker v Carr decision, which led to the redistricting that ultimately resulted in Milk's election for the Castro district.

When I went from the Don Wroe trip to TN last month, she picked me up at the airport and on the drive home I was telling her about our weekend, including watching the Milk documentary.  It turns out that her mother and Charles Baker grew up together - he was a bit older and 'babysat' her.  While in law school, she interviewed him about this for a class project.  I have not seen it yet - she's in the process of getting the video converted to digital.  When she does, she's happy to make it available to anyone who is interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Carr
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 07:29:55 pm »
I long to see this movie !

Any more information about it ?

Please !

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 11:10:15 am »
From http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?

In the election aftermath, Kristopher Tapley poses an intriguing question: "Could an earlier ‘Milk’ release have killed Prop 8?" As he points out, much of "Milk" is dedicated to the fight against Proposition 6, a 1978 ballot measure that would prevented gay people from working as educators. "The parallels between the campaign chronicled in the movie and the real-life battle over Proposition 8 are striking," he writes. "Harvey Milk (Sean Penn’s career-best portrayal) makes the point, to paraphrase, 'We have to make them understand that they know us.' That message, I think, might have carried a lot of heft if voters had made it to the polls four weeks later.... A studio’s priority is, of course, to shareholders, and 'Milk' is likely to make more money in its current release plan than something earlier in the season. But you can’t help but wonder what might have been. And you can’t 'give ‘em hope' after the fact." (As I posted this, an email from Focus Features arrived to remind me that "Milk" release dates begin November 26.)


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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2008, 04:59:05 pm »


Love  this--thanks, Artiste!


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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2008, 05:23:00 pm »
Merci, thanks jmmgallagher !

I enjoyed your gay flag and its stories. There are more ?

And be assured that I am happy that you like that USA gay flag with all those stars.

Would you like to see more ? Go to my thread: Artiste Questions, as I have started one thread on different gay flags !

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2008, 06:11:32 pm »
From http://weblogs.variety.com/hal/2008/11/did-milk-miss-t.html

Did "Milk" miss the opportunity to change history?



Well, that's what I wondered about the timing of the release.  Seems like it would have also benefitted the film to get it out there pre-election.



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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2008, 08:23:21 pm »

Well, that's what I wondered about the timing of the release.  Seems like it would have also benefitted the film to get it out there pre-election.

Well, the "better" films tend to come out later in the year, like a certain film did on December 9, 2005.

The current release seems timed more to coincide with the 30th anniversary of Milk's death. 

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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2008, 12:33:25 am »
That is one movie, I desire to see.

And am awaiting patiently !


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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2008, 05:53:53 pm »

Looking forward to the Australian release of "Milk".  :D
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2008, 07:15:43 pm »
And I pray that it will run in every country in the whole world including the muslim ones, China, etc., which discriminate or murder gays because gays are gays !!

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2008, 12:16:59 pm »
I am so sick of the hipocracy!

Here is an interview with James Franco about MILK and him acting in it and how he felt "uncomfortable and not that fun" doing the gay scenes.  Why do straight men go out of their way to say it!



And here's an interview with him on Kimmel, and how the new script "has full on love scenes" and he was so bothered with it he had to talk to Gus about it  And I love the comment that Kimmel is uncomfortable with it.




YET....

This new trailer for The Fast & The Furious 4 has two girls kissing in it.  The trailer!




And this trailer for Vicky Christina Barcelona has Penelope Cruz and Scarlett Johanson making out in it.  The trailer!  Approved for ALL audiences.




Where's the outrage over these scenes?  Where's the "I was uncomfortable" interviews?  Wasn't jes' this year BRAVO originally didn't show the SNIT in Brokeback Mountain?  WTF!! 

All this angers me to no end and I'm freakin' sick of it!  >:(  >:(  >:(

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2008, 12:36:29 pm »
Since:         Here is an interview with James Franco about MILK and him acting in it and how he felt "uncomfortable and not that fun" doing the gay scenes.  Why do straight men go out of their way to say it!

               
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then why don't they give that acting job to a gay man ? May I ask ?

We, gay men, need jobs too !!

So,  producers are discriminating against gays ?

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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2008, 01:02:45 pm »
Since:         Here is an interview with James Franco about MILK and him acting in it and how he felt "uncomfortable and not that fun" doing the gay scenes.  Why do straight men go out of their way to say it!

               
,

then why don't they give that acting job to a gay man ? May I ask ?

We, gay men, need jobs too !!

So,  producers are discriminating against gays ?


I was thinking some sort of the same things.  These "straight" actors take these roles fully knowing what the role is and the character is, and then after they're done doing it they feel the need to come out to the public and say "how uncomfortable it was" and "it was so hard to do", etc.  Then why in the hell did you take the role then?  These actors themselves are hippocrites.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Jake or Heath ever saying "it was uncomfortable" and "hard to do it".  They both pretty much came out and said "we did it and there it is".  No griping or grumbling.

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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2008, 01:27:13 pm »
I think that you are right !

In Heath's case, he did not want to do it, in the first place. I can't remember exactly how he said it ! Maybe you do ? He did it, because of his then girlfriend who suggested or advised him to do so - I think it is said or he said ?? Or was that just a way to cope blaming it on her ?


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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2008, 02:03:55 pm »
No MILK for Cinemark or Century Theatres!


The CEO of Cinemark, Alan Stock,
donated $9999 to the Yes on 8 Campaign, but
will now profit from showing MILK in his theaters.
 
 
Here's a great site about the campaign to get the word out.  Do not see MILK (or any other movie for that matter) at a Cinemark, Century, CineArts, or Tinseltown theatre:
 
http://www.nomilkforcinemark.com/
 
 
Here is a complete list of all Cinemark, Century, CineArts, and Tinseltown theatres to avoid in the future:  http://www.cinemark.com/tspage.asp
 
 
Please pass this on...
 
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2008, 03:12:07 pm »

Here is an interview with James Franco about MILK and him acting in it and how he felt "uncomfortable and not that fun" doing the gay scenes.  Why do straight men go out of their way to say it!


I know what you mean, Eric. 

Contrast Franco's comments (..."his whiskers kept getting in my mouth...") with Heath's (..."I wasn't kissing the butt of a mule, it was a human being with a soul"...).

Franco may be cute, but I'm not impressed.

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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2008, 03:57:19 pm »
I know what you mean, Eric. 

Contrast Franco's comments (..."his whiskers kept getting in my mouth...") with Heath's (..."I wasn't kissing the butt of a mule, it was a human being with a soul"...).

Franco may be cute, but I'm not impressed.

I guess he really is just another pretty face.  Hopefully Sean Penn won't let me down.

I'm glad to know ahead of time about the prosthetic penis though  (That's what I need for when I go to the gym, man!)

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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2008, 07:06:58 pm »
And happy that I am not the only one to boycott... these days as this are news to me that I welcome !

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2008, 07:10:42 pm »
And happy that I am not the only one to boycott... these days as this are news to me that I welcome !

Who said anything about a boycott.  I'll be first in line to see this movie!

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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2008, 08:46:06 pm »
Gays should boycott certain cinemas ? You heard about that ?

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2008, 11:20:38 pm »
I know what you mean, Eric. 

Contrast Franco's comments (..."his whiskers kept getting in my mouth...") with Heath's (..."I wasn't kissing the butt of a mule, it was a human being with a soul"...).

Franco may be cute, but I'm not impressed.


Excellent example Paul!

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2008, 11:22:40 pm »
Who said anything about a boycott.  I'll be first in line to see this movie!

See the post above.  Do not see MILK (or any other movie for that matter) at any Cinemark, Century, CineArts, or Tinseltown theatre:

http://www.nomilkforcinemark.com/
 
Here is a complete list of all Cinemark, Century, CineArts, and Tinseltown theatres to avoid in the future:  http://www.cinemark.com/tspage.asp


Please do be the first in line at any other theatre of your choice!  :)

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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2008, 12:20:02 am »
I am really looking forward to seeing this. These days I wait for movies to be released on DVD. This I'll make a point of seeing in the theater. It's great the G.V.S. got to make film centered on a gay man and his friends as opposed to a film that just has a secondary gay characters. He was in the running to direct BBM and so now he's directed his own gay themed film. I'm not a fan of Sean Penn, but from all reports he's does an exceptional job as Harvey.

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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2008, 11:31:16 am »
OK oilgun ?


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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2008, 03:45:00 pm »
OK oilgun ?


Au revoir,
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I somehow missed sfericsf's post about boycotting certain cinemas, I thought you meant boycott the movie, my apologies.
As for the cinemas to boycott, I'm not familiar with any of them, so I assume they are only in the US, if we had some here I would avoid them like the plague.

Also, I take back what I said about JAMES FRANCO. The little darlin' is back in my good books and he anything BUT just another pretty face:

http://www.nowtoronto.com/movies/story.cfm?content=166102

I didn't realise that he will be playing Alan Ginsberg in HOWL next year.  Can't wait to see that!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1049402/

And the more I think about that prosthetic penis business the more ridiculous I think it seems. 
Thankfully, European actors aren't so hung-up about nudity.  ;)


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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2008, 03:50:22 pm »
See the post above.  Do not see MILK (or any other movie for that matter) at any Cinemark, Century, CineArts, or Tinseltown theatre:

http://www.nomilkforcinemark.com/
 
Here is a complete list of all Cinemark, Century, CineArts, and Tinseltown theatres to avoid in the future:  http://www.cinemark.com/tspage.asp


Please do be the first in line at any other theatre of your choice!  :)

Sorry sfericsf, like I said to Artiste, I missed your post about the boycott.  But why just avoid the movie Milk?   I wouldn't give any of those theatres my money.


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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2008, 12:17:59 am »
Yes, it is thirty years....


NBC NEWS November 27, 1978
George Moscone & Harvey Milk Dead
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUB-RCNBDnk[/youtube]
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2008, 06:37:03 pm »
There are some cinemas to boycott in Canada it seems to me, too, if you are there !

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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2008, 11:52:15 pm »
There are some cinemas to boycott in Canada it seems to me, too, if you are there !

Really?  Which cinemas?

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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2008, 11:56:00 pm »
     Cinemark, Century...              are they not in Canada ?

Oilgun, I remember going to Century, and maybe that still is in Canada ?

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« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2008, 12:59:03 am »
Thanks for the articles and videos, John.  I just saw a screening of "Milk," and they help to fill in some blanks as well as remind me of some of the scenes in the film.

I wrote an account of it here:  http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,5286.msg442985.html#msg442985
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« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2008, 01:13:34 am »
Yes, it is thirty years....


NBC NEWS November 27, 1978
George Moscone & Harvey Milk Dead
            (5:04)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUB-RCNBDnk[/youtube]


Dang.  Too bad that cut off when it did.  :(  Thanks for posting, John.



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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2008, 10:22:32 am »
I strongly recommend everyone see The Times of Harvey Milk, which won the Oscar for best documentary in 1985. 

With archival footage and interviews with people that knew and worked with Milk, it's a stirring and moving film.  I think it would well complement the new film Milk.


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« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2008, 02:52:41 am »

http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/btm/feature/2008/11/26/milk/


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Harvey Milk (Sean Penn) and George Moscone (Victor Garber)

Wednesday, Nov. 26, 2008 07:50 EST

For me and for anybody else who lived in the San Francisco Bay Area in the 1970s, the assassinations of Harvey Milk and George Moscone on Nov. 27, 1978, came as the second half of a traumatic double whammy -- a regionally and culturally specific version of 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. As I remember it, I was standing in the hallway outside the journalism office at Berkeley High School, talking to a couple of friends on the paper. (I was the editor.) We may well have been talking about stories we were working on in the aftermath of the so-called Jonestown massacre, the mass murder-suicide of more than 900 people, including quite a few with connections to our city and our school, that had happened just nine days earlier in the Guyanese jungle.

Someone came into the hall and told us what had just happened a few miles away, on the other side of the bay. A black-and-white TV was dragged out of the closet, plugged in and kicked around for a while until we could find a station. One of my friends took out a pencil and wrote on the wall: "11/27/78: Milk and Moscone just GOT SHOT!!" I guess he was blogging without knowing it. That scribble stayed there unmolested until after we graduated.

Thirty years later, almost to the day, and after a bewildering number of fits and starts with various directors and actors, the story of pioneering gay politician Harvey Milk -- a crucial strand, but not the only strand, in that chaotic autumn of 1978 -- reaches us as a major feature film, with Sean Penn in the lead role and Gus Van Sant behind the camera. There are an awful lot of things to say about "Milk," and it's a film that, for anyone who knows the history of these events, will bump into a bunch of questions it isn't remotely equipped to answer.

"Milk" was never going to be just another movie, and in a season marked by the simultaneous election of our first black president and the enactment of a gay-marriage ban in California, it's in danger of becoming primarily a symbol or a statement, and not a movie at all. (For instance, there is an announced boycott of Cinemark theaters showing the film, because of the chain owner's purported anti-gay politics.) But let's say the simplest things first: This is an affectionately crafted, celebratory biopic about a sweet, shrewd, hard-assed, one-of-a-kind historical figure. And they can just FedEx the Oscar to Sean Penn's house right now, so that we don't have to listen to his acceptance speech.

I don't know that this is Penn's best performance, overall -- let's have that debate some other time -- but as far as the mannered, immersive impersonations of his later career go, Harvey Milk takes the cake. Penn is such a powerful mimic that there's a certain danger in assigning him to play a well-documented public personality, especially one with Milk's quirks and tics. In a city of buff and beautiful gay men, Milk had funny hair, bad clothes (when he broke into politics, he bought three secondhand suits and wore them over and over again), a big honker and an abrasive Long Island accent. He was ferociously loyal to his friends and allies but could be ruthless toward others; his sweetness and compassion concealed a powerful will and a provocative, prankish sense of humor. Penn grabs all these qualities and rides them right to the edge of caricature before somehow, seemingly at the last instant, assembling them into a vital and complicated human character.

If Penn doesn'tbear a strong physical resemblance to Milk, that doesn't matter. It's a magical performance, one that turns a fairly ordinary up-with-people historical flick into a must-see. There were plenty of times during "Milk" when I stopped asking myself questions about Penn and the cinematography and the re-creations of San Francisco moments and locations (often in situ, as with Milk's camera shop at 575 Castro Street) and just got swept up into the enigmas of Harvey Milk's life and career and politics: Why is he doing that? Isn't that a political mistake? Or am I having a homophobic moment? How does Milk's legacy of combining confrontation and shrewd strategy relate to Martin Luther King? To Obama? How would Milk handle the aftermath of Prop. 8?

Actually, I have a pretty good idea how Milk would be doing that: He'd be fighting on all fronts at once, directing righteous anger into the streets and working behind the scenes on a longterm strategy to shame the majority population into reversing this decision. "Milk"  is essentially a history of its subject's six-year career in San Francisco politics, which both gives it a manageable focus and limits its possibilities. One thing Dustin Lance Black's script does exceptionally well is demonstrate how rapidly Milk evolved as a politician. A recent East Coast transplant, Korean War vet and Goldwater Republican who'd spent years halfway in the closet while working at New York financial jobs, the Milk of 1972 was a neighborhood businessman who thought that gay capital and gay consumers should seize their share of power in what was then (believe it or not) a relatively conservative city dominated by white-ethnic clan politics and the Catholic church.

By the time of his death, Milk was already a statewide political figure in a place known, then and now, as the leading edge of American politics. Certainly within the gay community he was a national populist hero well before he became a martyr. He had spearheaded the brilliantly successful campaign against the 1978 "Briggs initiative" (aka Prop. 6) -- more or less the Prop. 8 of its day -- which would have barred gay teachers, and potentially their non-gay friends and supporters, from jobs in California public schools.

As usual, Milk's strategy ran on at least two tracks: He sought to channel the anger and passion of burgeoning gay neighborhoods like the Castro or West Hollywood into political organizing, and he sought to systematically and patiently confront the straight majority with the stupidity and shallowness of its prejudice. As the movie depicts, he debated initiative sponsor John Briggs before a hostile crowd in the latter's right-leaning legislative district (where the initiative wound up failing). Together with schoolteacher Tom Ammiano (today a leading San Francisco politician, just elected to the state Legislature) Milk crafted the slogan "Come out, come out, wherever you are!" -- the idea being that if straight people understood how many gays they already knew and accepted on a personal level, their abstract bigotry would be significantly undermined.

It worked. All right, the fact that Republican presidential contender Ronald Reagan himself opposed the initiative gave an awful lot of white hetero conservative Californians cover to vote against it. But for me and, I imagine, millions of other people in the state, the spring of 1978 was full of minor revelations: one of my high-school teachers, a girl I bought coffee from sometimes, the guy at Whole Earth Access who knew the most about computers. I grew up in the most liberal city in the most liberal region of the country. I knew that gay people existed, over there across the bay in Harvey Milk's district. But until that year I didn't personally know any -- or rather, I didn't know I did.

In the famous tape-recorded testament that provides the spine to Black's screenplay, Milk says, "If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door." That was too much to ask, of course, but Milk's M.O. was always to make grand, idealistic pronouncements in public and then work like hell in private to accomplish whatever was realistic. Milk served only 11 months in elected office (as a San Francisco supervisor, the equivalent of a city councilman in other cities) and he certainly was not the first openly gay elected official in the United States -- although he may have been the first one elected on that basis. But his example was enormously powerful; if Milk didn't destroy the closet, he made it possible for gays who were out and proud to be leading public citizens for the first time.

In capturing '70s San Francisco and the explosive political movement that erupted around Harvey Milk, Van Sant relies on a large and lively supporting cast and cinematographer Harris Savides, who did such wonders with the place and period in David Fincher's "Zodiac."  It's a noteworthy contrast, because while "Milk"  is an appealing swirl of bodies and music and energy and (mostly) hopefulness, it lacks the mysterious vision that infused Fincher's film, the vision that made its California landscape seem both sun-kissed and death-haunted. Mind you, Van Sant isn't trying to make a dark film, or one haunted by death, despite the act of strange and terrible violence that ended Milk's life (and which we see here, in dreamy, silent, overly aestheticized fashion).

I can admire the professional flexibility that leads Van Sant from slow-motion, half-experimental works like "Paranoid Park"  or "Last Days"   to an inspirational, Oscar-season package like "Milk,"  but I wish he could split the difference between his two modes more effectively. He blends archival news footage (a lot of it from Rob Epstein's wonderful 1984 documentary "The Times of Harvey Milk" ) gracefully in with his newly shot material, and the re-creations of such historical events as Milk's rowdy 1977 election-night street party or his "Hope" speech on Gay Freedom Day in 1978 are flawless. There's a lot of warmth to "Milk,"  and a lot of the historical authenticity that comes from talking to the right people and shooting in the right places.

Even though Penn takes control of every scene he's in, Emile Hirsch is wonderfully vivid as Cleve Jones, a wide-eyed street kid from Phoenix whom Milk takes under his wing (and today a veteran San Francisco activist and politician). James Franco conveys the long-suffering composure of Scott Smith, Milk's ex-lover turned friend, and I really appreciated Joseph Cross' witty performance as Milk's whiz-kid political aide, Dick Pabich. (I worked with Dick at SF Weekly  in the early '90s; unfortunately he's not here today to be delighted by seeing himself receiving a blow job on the big screen.) The only thing I can say about the casting of artist Jeff Koons as Art Agnos, Milk's onetime political opponent and a future San Francisco mayor, is that Koons is fine and that to the small number of people familiar with both of those people's careers it will seem like the weirdest coupling imaginable.

What Van Sant and Black end up with here, even with Penn's above-and-beyond portrayal at its heart, is a solid, respectful, by-the-numbers historical picture. It's too smart to be simplistic or hagiographic -- Penn's Milk is, quite correctly, sometimes prickly and arrogant and has dubious taste in men -- but it still tries to construct a linear, coherent narrative out of events that don't necessarily make sense. To bring up the 800-pound gorilla we haven't been talking about, Josh Brolin does a wonderful job of making Dan White, Milk and Moscone's assassin, seem like a damaged and confused person rather than a homophobic monster. (After playing George W. Bush and Dan White, what's next for Brolin? Is a biopic of Nicolae Ceausescu in the works?)

Black's screenplay leans pretty hard on the peculiar idea that White, a married ex-cop and ex-fireman from what was then an old-line, white Catholic neighborhood, was damaged and confused in a particular way -- that he was a closet case who was obsessed with Harvey Milk. Granted, this isn't just Black's theory. It was also Harvey Milk's theory about White, as detailed in Randy Shilts' masterful book "The Mayor of Castro Street."  (Officially, "Milk"  does not use Shilts' book as source material, because the book was optioned for a different film that will probably never be made.) That doesn't mean that it explains anything, even if it's true, beyond the peculiar intensity of the two men's political and personal relationship, which was even stranger in reality than it is in the film.

White didn't go to San Francisco City Hall on Nov. 27, 1978, just to kill Harvey Milk. He shot Mayor George Moscone first, after all -- the first truly progressive mayor of San Francisco, now reduced to a footnote to history -- and then Milk. By his own admission, White also intended to kill Carol Ruth Silver, another liberal supervisor, and then-Assemblyman and future mayor Willie Brown, but lost his nerve.

White believed himself personally and politically slighted by all those people, and believed (correctly) that Milk and Moscone had seized the opportunity for a backroom power play when White resigned his seat on the board of supervisors and then tried to take it back. Beyond that, White saw a glimmering of something else: Milk and Moscone represented the birth of a new era of coalition politics in America's big cities, when the white-ethnic neighborhood machines were dying out and intensely negotiated partnerships between gays, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, white yuppies and other groups would become the order of the day.

Dan White was a demented caricature of a Reagan Democrat -- admittedly a stereotype that didn't quite exist in 1978 -- a beaten-down working-class white populist driven insane by the rise of the urban, polycultural, gay-friendly left. By all accounts he was a lonely, intense oddball, not well liked in his own community, and he clearly tried to befriend Harvey Milk before deciding to kill him. But after the crime White was, at least briefly, embraced as a hero by many members of San Francisco's police department, which at the time remained a bastion of old-school Irish Catholic values and right-wing political views.

White's crimes were, in the moment, a nonsensical act of destruction directed by a paranoid individual against the entire world. I'm inclined to believe that on that day White's feelings about Harvey Milk's sexuality, whatever they were, played almost no role. Only in retrospect and in context -- that context being White's shockingly light sentence, the ensuing riots and the 30 years of contentious history that followed -- did the murder become a homophobic hate crime. (White himself committed suicide in 1985, about a year after his release from prison.)

Of course it's not fair to fault "Milk"  for not being as thoughtful and as complicated, or as profoundly tragic, as nonfiction works like Shilts' book or Epstein's film. It may be more surprising that Van Sant has made a film that's so clean and pretty, and that makes little effort to capture the darkness and craziness of that fall of 1978 in San Francisco. Part of me regrets all the other potential films about that history that we'll never see now. But "Milk" is good enough, thanks mostly to Penn's uncanny evocation, to bring Harvey Milk alive as a vital and highly relevant figure, rather than a distant political abstraction or gay saint. (He very definitely was neither.)

Milk in life was a complicated and highly intelligent man, but not one subject to philosophical deep thinking. His signature moment as a San Francisco politician (captured entertainingly in the film) was when he stepped in dog shit on purpose for the news cameras, in support of a pooper-scooper law that instantly made him a citywide hero. He always thought that his role was to bting hope to a ghettoized community with little sense of its own potential power, or to a runaway kid from Texas who was turning tricks on Polk Street because he had no self-esteem. Scooping up the shit and giving hope to the hopeless; that's change I can still believe in.

"Milk"  is now playing in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and other major cities, with wide national release to begin Dec. 5.

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No more gay bashing in 2008 - I pray that this film will help for that !

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Penn Magnetic as Milk
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From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

November 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM EST

Milk
• Directed by Gus Van Sant
• Written by Dustin Lance Black
• Starring Sean Penn, James Franco, Josh Brolin

*** (out of 4)
• Classification: 14A

The archival footage in the opening frames doubles as a blunt reminder, a return to a time, not long ago, when the headlines routinely blared: "Homosexuals and Police Clash" or "Crackdown on Homosexual Bars." Then, to be gay in public was to invite a nightstick from your local cop, a pink slip from your righteous employer, an eviction notice from your scowling landlord.

Revisiting that era of the seventies, and profiling one of the cause's most visible martyrs, Milk is a worthy docudrama that is solid if not sublime. But, sometimes, a merely good film can brush up against greatness, and this one does so twice — in Sean Penn's magnetic performance and in the cautionary tale's contemporary resonance, in the lingering caveat that gains are reversible and hard-won civil rights must be just as vigorously defended against renewed attacks and casual erosion.

The martyr, of course, is Harvey Milk, who starts out on more humble ground. Reaching a milestone birthday, he picks up a guy on the subway and, that night in bed, confesses in all sincerity: "I'm 40 years old and haven't done a thing I can be proud of." Less than a decade later, "pride" would become an entire movement; as a supervisor in San Francisco, Milk would become the first openly gay man elected to public office; and, on the steps of City Hall, Dianne Feinstein would break the tragic news: "Both Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Milk have been shot and killed." From middle-aged nobody to assassinated icon in eight short years — that's the movie's narrative arc.

Its director, Gus Van Sant, has spent his own career travelling between the margins and the mainstream, and has grappled before with gut-wrenching headlines, most profoundly in Elephant. There, dramatizing the Columbine massacre, he transcended journalism's easy paradigms, burrowing down into those deeper layers of complexity where certainty shrinks but understanding grows. Here, there's none of that nuance or layering. Instead, working from Dustin Lance Black's script, Van Sant settles for a more conventional approach — showing us the birth of a sainted crusader, then marking off the stations of his pilgrimage.

They begin with his move to San Francisco accompanied by his then-lover Scott (James Franco). The two open a camera shop in the Castro district, which soon expands into a meeting place for gay activists and subsequently into the campaign headquarters for Milk's several attempts at political office. All failed until his breakthrough in 1977, when, on the council, he proved himself a skilled pol adroit at forging practical alliances to promote his agenda. When he and the mayor died, it was at the hands of a fellow supervisor, Dan White, who would later kill himself. Ultimately, Milk was victimized not by the homophobia he fought but by a less common malady rooted in a singularly disturbed mind.

Yet that is all part of the historical record — in that sense, the picture is more remembrance than revelation. Any nuance that exists can be traced directly to Penn, who does for the character what the script doesn't — hint at an inner dramatic conflict, at underlying swirls of emotion. Using an altered nose to elongate his face, Penn vibrantly conveys the essential energy of the man, the combination of relentless determination and innate likeability that could disarm even his most ardent opponents. However, with a sad glance here, a muted gesture there, he also suggests that Milk's political activism was a fierce commitment in the public realm but also a welcome reprieve from his private world, from an often chaotic personal life where relationships turned sour or never matured beyond shallow attraction.

Yet Penn is on his own here — the film doesn't venture far into psychological terrain, preferring to concentrate on the social climate of the time, reacquainting us with exactly what Milk was fighting against and for. Like the suicidal kid in Minnesota, forced by his parents to have his "sickness" treated by medical professionals. Like the Anita Bryants or the John Briggs and their "propositions" to strip gays of their civil rights and belt them with the Bible. No doubt, this return to yesterday's battles sheds a useful light on today's: The propositions, and the attitudes behind them, have changed, but they haven't disappeared.

The exception to this sociological rule is the depiction of Dan White, who, in Josh Brolin's hands, emerges as a tortured figure himself, no paper villain. At one point, Milk insinuates that "he may be one of us," and their scenes together bristle with a fascinating tension that goes well beyond the merely political. But then it's back to the trod path of the standard biopic, including a few sequences that, atypically for Van Sant, border on bathos. For example, when, on the last night of his life, our doomed hero attends an opera and the fat lady sings, things can be considered pretty much over.

Once the end officially arrives, Milk has finished its workmanlike job and we can carry on. Really, our duties here are twofold — to revel in Penn's artistry and to remember that lingering caveat. Why heed the warning? Because Harvey Milk campaigned on the audacious slogan of "Hope for a better tomorrow," and, through a succession of tomorrows, that slogan has clearly lost neither its utility nor its urgency.








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« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2008, 06:07:32 pm »
I'm going tonight to the Coolidge Corner Theatre, where I first saw BBM, also on opening night.

I'll try and report back later.

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http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/movies/26milk.html?ref=movies

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Movie Review
Milk (2008)



Sean Penn, center, portrays Harvey Milk, the San Francisco city supervisor who was murdered in 1978.

November 26, 2008
Freedom Fighter in Life Becomes Potent Symbol in Death

By A. O. SCOTT
Published: November 26, 2008


One of the first scenes in “Milk”  is of a pick-up in a New York subway station. It’s 1970, and an insurance executive in a suit and tie catches sight of a beautiful, scruffy younger man — the phrase “angel-headed hipster” comes to mind — and banters with him on the stairs. The mood of the moment, which ends up with the two men eating birthday cake in bed, is casual and sexy, and its flirtatious playfulness is somewhat disarming, given our expectation of a serious and important movie grounded in historical events. “Milk,”  directed by Gus Van Sant from a script by Dustin Lance Black, is certainly such a film, but it manages to evade many of the traps and compromises of the period biopic with a grace and tenacity worthy of its title character.

That would be Harvey Milk (played by Sean Penn), a neighborhood activist elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1977 and murdered, along with the city’s mayor, George Moscone (Victor Garber), by a former supervisor named Dan White (Josh Brolin) the next year. Notwithstanding the modesty of his office and the tragic foreshortening of his tenure, Milk, among the first openly gay elected officials in the country, had a profound impact on national politics, and his rich afterlife in American culture has affirmed his status as pioneer and martyr. His brief career has inspired an opera by Stewart Wallace, an excellent documentary film (“The Times of Harvey Milk,” by Rob Epstein, from 1984) and now “Milk,”  which is the best live-action mainstream American movie that I have seen this year. This is not faint praise, by the way, even though 2008 has been a middling year for Hollywood. “Milk”  is accessible and instructive, an astute chronicle of big-city politics and the portrait of a warrior whose passion was equaled by his generosity and good humor. Mr. Penn, an actor of unmatched emotional intensity and physical discipline, outdoes himself here, playing a character different from any he has portrayed before.

This is less a matter of sexuality — there is no longer much novelty in a straight actor’s “playing gay” — than of temperament. Unlike, say, Jimmy Markum, Mr. Penn’s brooding ex-convict in Clint Eastwood’s “Mystic River,” Harvey Milk is an extrovert and an ironist, a man whose expansive, sometimes sloppy self-presentation camouflages an incisive mind and a ferociously stubborn will. All of this Mr. Penn captures effortlessly through voice and gesture, but what is most arresting is the sense he conveys of Milk’s fundamental kindness, a personal virtue that also functions as a political principle.

Which is not to say that “Milk”  is an easy, sunny, feel-good movie, or that its hero is a shiny liberal saint. There is righteous anger in this movie, and also an arresting, moody lyricism. Mr. Van Sant has frequently practiced a kind of detached romanticism, letting his stories unfold matter-of-factly while infusing them with touches of melancholy beauty. (He is helped here by Danny Elfman’s elegant score and by the expressive cinematography of Harris Savides, whose touch when it comes to framing and focus could more aptly be called a caress.)

In the years since the earnest and commercial “Finding Forrester”  (2000), Mr. Van Sant has devoted himself to smaller-scale projects, some of them (like the Palme d’Or-winning provocation “Elephant” ) employing nonprofessional actors, and none of them much concerned with soliciting the approval of the mass audience. “Gerry,” “Elephant,” “Last Days” and “Paranoid Park”  are linked by a spirit of formal exploration — elements of Mr. Van Sant’s experimental style include long tracking shots; oblique, fractured narratives; and a way of composing scenes that emphasizes visual and aural texture over conventional dramatic exposition — and also by a preoccupation with death.

Like “Elephant”  (suggested by the Columbine High shootings) and“Last Days”  (by the suicide of Kurt Cobain), “Milk”  is the chronicle of a death foretold. Before that subway station encounter, we have already seen real-life news video of the aftermath of Milk’s assassination, as well as grainy photographs of gay men being rounded up by the police. These images don’t spoil the intimacy between Harvey the buttoned-up businessman and Scott Smith (James Franco), the hippie who becomes his live-in lover and first campaign manager. Rather, the constant risk of harassment, humiliation and violence is the defining context of that intimacy.

And his refusal to accept this as a fact of life, his insistence on being who he is without secrecy or shame, is what turns Milk from a bohemian camera store owner (after his flight from New York and the insurance business) into a political leader.

My name is Harvey Milk, and I want to recruit you. That was an opening line that the real Milk often used in his speeches to break the tension with straight audiences, but the film shows him deploying it with mostly gay crowds as well, with a slightly different inflection. He wants to recruit them into the politics of democracy, to persuade them that the stigma and discrimination they are used to enduring quietly and even guiltily can be addressed by voting, by demonstrating, by claiming the share of power that is every citizen’s birthright and responsibility.

The strength of Mr. Black’s script is that it grasps both the radicalism of Milk’s political ambition and the pragmatism of his methods. “Milk”  understands that modern politics thrive at the messy, sometimes glorious intersection of grubby interests and noble ideals. Shortly after moving with Scott from New York to the Castro section of San Francisco, Milk begins organizing the gay residents of that neighborhood, seeking out allies among businessmen, labor unions and other groups.

The city’s gay elite, discomfited by his confrontational tactics, keeps Milk at a distance, leaving him to build a movement from the ground up with the help of a young rabble-rouser and ex-hustler named Cleve Jones (Emile Hirsch).

For more than two lively, eventful hours, “Milk”  conforms to many of the conventions of biographical filmmaking, if not always to the precise details of the hero’s biography. Milk’s inexhaustible political commitment takes its toll on his relationships, first with Scott and then with Jack Lira, an impulsive, unstable young man played by Diego Luna with an operatic verve that stops just short of camp.

Meanwhile, local San Francisco issues are overshadowed by a statewide anti-gay-rights referendum and the national crusade, led by the orange-juice spokesmodel Anita Bryant, to repeal municipal antidiscrimination laws. The culture war is unfolding, and Milk is in the middle of it. (And so, 30 years later, in the wake of Proposition 8, is “Milk.” )

“Milk”  is a fascinating, multi-layered history lesson. In its scale and visual variety it feels almost like a calmed-down Oliver Stone movie, stripped of hyperbole and Oedipal melodrama. But it is also a film that like Mr. Van Sant’s other recent work — and also, curiously, like David Fincher’s “Zodiac,”  another San Francisco-based tale of the 1970s — respects the limits of psychological and sociological explanation.

Dan White, Milk’s erstwhile colleague and eventual assassin, haunts the edges of the movie, representing both the banality and the enigma of evil. Mr. Brolin makes him seem at once pitiable and scary without making him look like a monster or a clown. Motives for White’s crime are suggested in the film, but too neat an accounting of them would distort the awful truth of the story and undermine the power of the movie.

That power lies in its uncanny balancing of nuance and scale, its ability to be about nearly everything — love, death, politics, sex, modernity — without losing sight of the intimate particulars of its story.

Harvey Milk was an intriguing, inspiring figure. “Milk” is a marvel.




“Milk”  is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). It has some profanity, brief violence and a few discreet sex scenes.

MILK

Opens on Wednesday in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Directed by Gus Van Sant; written by Dustin Lance Black; director of photography, Harris Savides; edited by Elliot Graham; music by Danny Elfman; production designer, Bill Groom; produced by Dan Jinks and Bruce Cohen; released by Focus Features. Running time: 2 hours 8 minutes.

WITH: Sean Penn (Harvey Milk), Emile Hirsch (Cleve Jones), Josh Brolin (Dan White), Diego Luna (Jack Lira), Alison Pill (Anne Kronenberg), Victor Garber (Mayor George Moscone), Denis O’Hare (John Briggs), Joseph Cross (Dick Pabich), Stephen Spinella (Rick Stokes), Lucas Grabeel (Danny Nicoletta), Brandon Boyce (Jim Rivaldo), Zvi Howard Rosenman (David Goodstein), Kelvin Yu (Michael Wong) and James Franco (Scott Smith).
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2008, 09:04:35 pm »
At the moment, I don't find Milk scheduled for Jacksonville.  If it's like Brokeback Mountain's release, I should get to see it mid-to-late January.

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« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2008, 10:08:46 pm »
TIME magazine review:

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1862492-1,00.html

Milk: It's Good, and Good for You

By Richard Corliss Wednesday, Nov. 26, 2008
 
Sean Penn stars as gay rights activist Harvey Milk in Gus Van Sant's Milk Phil Bray / Focus Features.

Harvey Milk, the San Francisco gay activist who was murdered 30 years ago tomorrow, has a New York public school, a Georgia rock band and, as of this week, a Bay-area civil service building named for him. The first openly homosexual city supervisor in the U.S., he organized gays into a potent political force. Then there are the movies. Bryan Singer, director of X-Men and Superman Returns, is completing a Milk documentary, The Mayor of Castro Street. Today we get Milk, a hurtling, minutely researched, close-to-irresistible biopic starring Academy Award winner Sean Penn, whose performance is likely to be nominated for another Oscar, along with this film. That makes it official: Harvey Milk is the gay Joan of Arc.

A lot of kids today, especially the most conservative, may think of gays as some vague outlaw culture. But they might be surprised to learn that, when Harvey Milk was a young adult, gays were outlaws. The new movie begins with newsreel clips of men hiding their faces from the paparazzi's flash bulbs as police remove them from some furtive gay bar of the 1960s — the decade when practically every underclass of society got liberated but theirs. Vicious assaults of gays were common, and the law rarely pursued the perpetrators. If, as you watch Mad Men, you wonder why the gay art director is so timid about declaring his sexual needs to his colleagues, prospective lovers or, for that matter, himself, it's because he'd like to keep his job and his police record clean. (See TIME's 1978 feature story on the killings of Moscone and Milk)

The dominant pop culture certified homophobia. Gays and lesbians were depicted as predators in best-selling novels (A Walk on the Wild Side) and respected plays (The Killing of Sister George), and the films based on them. The plot dilemma of that age's serioso movies was often just the threat of being accused of homosexuality, as in Tea and Sympathy, The Children's Hour and Advise and Consent. The tone was sensation dressed up as sympathy.

And when a film did take a compassionate approach to homosexuality, the mainstream press could pounce on it with cavalier ignorance and captious contempt. A review of the British drama Victim, about a barrister fighting the law that made homosexuality a criminal offense, took offense at the movie's "implicit approval of homosexuality as a practice. ... Nowhere does the film suggest that homosexuality is a serious (but often curable) neurosis that attacks the biological basis of life itself. 'I can't help the way I am,' says one of the sodomites in this movie. 'Nature played me a dirty trick.' And the scriptwriters, whose psychiatric information is clearly coeval with the statute they dispute, accept this sick-silly self-delusion as a medical fact." The review, headlined, "A Plea for Perversion?", appeared in the Feb. 23, 1962, issue of TIME magazine.

The medical nonsense spouted here — which was also the stated position of the American Psychiatric Association — underlined a conformist culture's fear of the Other. They're different. They dress and talk funny. They're a threat to our spouses and our kids. The arguments against homosexuals, like those against blacks, meant to turn irrational suspicions into punitive legislation. To counter the know-nothing majority, members of the afflicted minority needed a righteous, urgent spokesman. Blacks had MLK — Martin Luther King, Jr. Gays had MiLK — Harvey Milk.

White/Milk

The Harvey Milk story needs little Hollywood embellishment; it's already the perfect outsider fable. A Manhattan investment banker raised on Long Island, Milk arrived in San Francisco in the early '70s. He opened Castro Camera in the rundown Castro district, which was fast becoming an enclave for the not-yet-outspoken gay culture. With the aid of an unlikely ally, the Teamsters, he organized a boycott of Coors Beer, which at the time refused to hire gays. After three losing Milk runs for a City Supervisor seat, he won in 1977, and a year later he helped defeat Proposition 6, which would have banned gay men and women from teaching in public schools. Through his efforts, gay society, high and low, coalesced into a politically effective movement. (You'll be reminded of a more recent band of outsiders who got an unlikely, charismatic candidate elected president.)

On Nov. 27, 1978, Milk and Mayor George Moscone were shot dead by Supervisor Dan White, an Irish-American Vietnam vet and former cop who had befriended Milk but opposed his agenda. Thousands of angry Milk-men filled the streets of San Francisco; their mourning turned to rioting. Diane Feinstein, president of the Board of Supervisors, succeeded Moscone as Mayor. Tried for murder, White pleaded diminished capacity due to depression and a junk-food diet — what became known as "the Twinkie defense." His conviction on the reduced charge of voluntary manslaughter triggered another night of riots. White served five years of his seven-year sentence and, the year after his release, committed suicide: carbon monoxide poisoning, in his car in his garage, a loop of "The Town I Loved So Well" playing on the tape deck. (See TIME's Top 10 Biopics)

White is so compelling and conflicted a figure that the trick of any Milk project is to keep him from abducting it. The 1984 documentary, The Times of Harvey Milk, devoted its whole third act to White's trial, which was the entire subject of Emily Mann's panoramic docudrama The Execution of Justice, also from 1984. Josh Brolin plays him here, and has much more to work with than he did as George Bush in W. This is a portrait, from the inside, of a man who fought the validation of homosexuality because his Catholic faith and his constituents wouldn't stand for it, and because, the movie suggests, he was roiled by unresolved gay issues of his own. ("I think he's one of us," Harvey whispers.) As a performance, it's Brolin's best since No Country for Old Men, which means very good indeed.
But Milk isn't about Dan White, except as a repository of the straights' resentment that dogged Milk and brought him down. The script by Dustin Lance Black, who worked on HBO's polygamy series Big Love (he was the only Mormon on the writing staff), is all about process: how Harvey Milk changed things. His style was charm mixed with genial bullying. He conveyed passion with good humor. In the movie, challenged by White to answer if two men can reproduce, he replies, "No, but God knows we keep trying. On the streets he'd pick up a bullhorn and shout, "My fellow degenerates... my name is Harvey Milk, and I'm here to recruit you." He pestered and seduced citizens into signing petitions, knocking on doors, getting out the vote of a segment so disenfranchised they'd never had anything or anyone to vote for before.

Designated a "gay politician," Milk was at least as much the latter as the former — a genius in convincing people that what he wanted was what they needed. So is the movie. It revels in showing how Milk built his campaign staff from the lovers and locals who wandered into Castro Camera; how he fought the city's gay establishment, until then discreet in identifying itself; how he debated John Briggs, the sponsor of Prop. 6, to a standstill and was instrumental in having the initiative defeated by more than a million votes. You've never seen this before: a movie that builds a state referendum into a suspenseful and agitating emotional climax. Ain't politics grand?

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

"I am not a candidate," Milk says in the movie. "The movement is the candidate." That was false modesty. In California he was the movement's star, its producer and director. And Penn dominates the film — not in his usual way, by making brooding seem like a form of higher calisthenics. Perhaps the least homosexual actor around, Penn here reins in his Method bluster to locate the sweetness and vulnerability beneath Milk's assured persona. He becomes this character — surely far from his experience — with no italicizing, no condescension, no sweat. This isn't an impersonation, it's an inhabiting.

In any early scene, Harvey shares a long, loving kiss with his future lover, Scott Smith (James Franco in a finely tuned turn). The kiss is director Gus Van Sant's declaration that, yes, this will be a gay movie. But there's no shock value, except in the tenderness of the passion — when was the last time you saw a great movie kiss?
Van Sant emerged as an indie filmmaker with pictures like Mala Noche, Drugstore Cowboy and My Own Private Idaho. These were set in the lower depths, populated with hookers and victims, sometimes ending in death. Those elements are here, mostly personified in Harvey's troubled lover Jack Lira (Diego Luna), as are Van Sant's old camera tropes of slo-mo and unsteady focus. But they aren't at the foreground, In the dichotomy between his audience-pleasing big movies (To Die For, Good Will Hunting) and his audience-resistant art films (Gerry, Elephant, Last Days, Punishment Park), Milk is securely in the former category. It's his most disciplined film — he was hired to direct Black's script, stuck to it, worked well with actors — and easily his best.

Harvey Milk lived with death threats. In the film, before one rally, he is handed a note reading, "You get the first bullet the minute you stand at the microphone." Black frames the film as a monologue delivered into a tape recorder by Harvey, who's as sure of his impending death as he is of his gay-liberation creed. In the '70s, paranoia was simply common sense; the preceding 10 years had seen the murders of King and Robert Kennedy, and assassination attempts on Gerald Ford and George Wallace. The movie is faithful to that grungy time, but it downplays the riots that followed its hero's assassination; Black and Van Sant don't want Milk to leave a sour taste. They've made a picture that is frankly celebratory, forthrightly inspirational. It's no less determined to get its message across than Harvey Milk was.

We've come a long way, baby, since 1978. Uncloseted homosexuals occupy seats in Congress, state legislatures and city councils; as author and political strategist David Mixner notes, "almost every state has at least one openly gay or lesbian elected official, including Alabama, Montana and Oklahoma." The gay subculture is a hip harbinger of official culture and can boast its own its own nationwide cable network in Logo (two if you count Bravo). Homocentric movies like Milk have replaced homophobic movies like Advise and Consent; and in TIME you read reviews like this instead of the 1962 review of Victim.

But some aspects of the national conversation between homosexuals and those who oppose or fear them haven't changed. "Gay" and "faggot" are widespread terms of abuse. Famous actors and singers won't declare their sexual orientation out of concern their careers would be kaput. There are camps with regimens to "cure" kids of gayness. John Briggs and his national counterpart, Anita Bryant, aren't spearheading the outspoken antagonism to gay civil rights, but the Mormon Church is. It poured $20 million into promoting Proposition 8, this year's California initiative to outlaw gay marriage. Fear lost in 1977; it won in 2008.

Three decades ago, Milk and his ilk were able to enlist President Jimmy Carter and future President Ronald Reagan in the gay fight against Prop. 6. But this fall, Barack Obama was all but mute on Prop. 8. Some community organizers, like the President-elect, are more cautious than others. It's a shame Harvey Milk wasn't around to recruit him.
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« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2008, 12:07:25 am »
Just got back from "Milk".  A few thoughts.

***I'm not sure if anything below counts as spoilers, but I'll say it.  SPOILERS!  Maybe***




In an early sequence, archival footage of police raids of gay bars during the 60s, had me in tears.  Men mostly shielding their faces, yet one or two defiantly staring into the camera;  many being stuffed into paddy wagons.  Very powerful.  This is what Harvey Milk would be fighting against.

I've said elsewhere that I'm a big fan of the 1984 documentary "The Times of Harvey Milk".  "Milk" borrows heavily from the documentary, and follows a good chunk of its structure.  In fact, many instances of footage included in the documentary were simply recreated with actors.  I found myself thinking, why did "Milk" even have to be made?  To me, "Times" was sparer, less sentimental, and ultimately, more effective and more moving.  "Milk" does flesh out Harvey's life, and his motley inner circle.  But I found it too hero-worshipful.  I think the blame lies with the script.  Sean Penn does his best to inject some nuance and dimension that just isn't in the script. 

Penn's performance is less of an impression than an interpretation.  While his gestures and mannerisms look studied, the voice is his own, not resembling Harvey's at all.  I suppose if one had never heard Harvey, Penn's voice is what they might imagine--passionate, and with a New York twang.  (I found Harvey's voice actually to be more patrician.)  He does capture Harvey's joie de vivre very well, but risks portraying him as a do-gooder who would take in any stray cat that came his way. 

The kisses and sex scenes are pretty tame.  (Makes me wonder what Van Sant would have done with Brokeback...)

Harvey anticipated his own assassination, and the film uses his recording a statement about this as a framing device, so that Harvey "tells" us the story. 

The period details were terrific.  However, the music was distracting and incongruous most of the time.  The period music was fine, but Danny Elfman's score seems pulled from some other, melodramatic film.  (Contrast to Mark Isham's wonderful, spare score to "Times".)  The opera bit was beyond heavy-handed.  (Meryl?!)

James Franco was soulfully terrific as Harvey's soulmate; Emile Hirsch was initially over-camp, but toned it down to an effective performance as Cleve Jones.  I thought James Brolin lacked the naivete and pathetic, desperate nature of Dan White, although he did well in a brief drunk scene.

The epilogue features a sort of "where they are now" sequence:  shots of the actors juxtaposed with photos of the actual people.  While I liked it, it did smack of "look how good we were at casting".

Now I want to go back and re-read "The Mayor of Castro Street" and wonder if that film will ever be made. 









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« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2008, 01:02:52 am »

Thank you, Paul, for the review. I hope I can see it tomorrow! I also want to try and watch "The Times of Harvey Milk" over the holiday weekend. Amazingly, I saw it when it first came out, um, a quarter of a century ago--???--!!! Well, it's about time, that's for sure.

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2008, 01:30:37 am »
The kisses and sex scenes are pretty tame.  (Makes me wonder what Van Sant would have done with Brokeback...)

The period details were terrific.  However, the music was distracting and incongruous most of the time.  The period music was fine, but Danny Elfman's score seems pulled from some other, melodramatic film.  (Contrast to Mark Isham's wonderful, spare score to "Times".)  The opera bit was beyond heavy-handed.  (Meryl?!)

Thanks for your insights, Paul.  You seem to have liked it less than I did, but then I've never seen the documentary.  The movie probably suffers from the comparison.

I am glad that Van Sant didn't direct "Brokeback."  It would have been a very different film.  It's incredible how just the right people were drawn together to make that film what it was, not the least of whom was Gustavo Santaolalla.  That music was so spare and intelligent and atmospheric; it really reflected Proulx's prose beautifully.  I agree that Elfman's score didn't fit "Milk" very well.  It kept jumping out at me instead of drawing me in even deeper.

The opera bits were also curious.  Clearly, "Tosca" must have been Harvey Milk's favorite opera.  Years ago I worked on the operatic version of Harvey's story, and I seem to remember some "Tosca" references in that, too.  The scene where Harvey is watching the death of Cavaradossi was meant, I guess, to foreshadow his own death.  Spoletta, who comes in at the climax, looked an awful lot like Dan White, which had to have been on purpose.  But I don't know why Van Sant had him looking at the marquee of the opera house with "Tosca" advertised on it as he was dying.  It just doesn't seem that important to bring up at that moment.
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« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2008, 03:20:51 am »
Thanks for your insights, Paul.  You seem to have liked it less than I did, but then I've never seen the documentary.  The movie probably suffers from the comparison.

I am glad that Van Sant didn't direct "Brokeback."  It would have been a very different film.  It's incredible how just the right people were drawn together to make that film what it was, not the least of whom was Gustavo Santaolalla.  That music was so spare and intelligent and atmospheric; it really reflected Proulx's prose beautifully.  I agree that Elfman's score didn't fit "Milk" very well.  It kept jumping out at me instead of drawing me in even deeper.

The opera bits were also curious.  Clearly, "Tosca" must have been Harvey Milk's favorite opera.  Years ago I worked on the operatic version of Harvey's story, and I seem to remember some "Tosca" references in that, too.  The scene where Harvey is watching the death of Cavaradossi was meant, I guess, to foreshadow his own death.  Spoletta, who comes in at the climax, looked an awful lot like Dan White, which had to have been on purpose.  But I don't know why Van Sant had him looking at the marquee of the opera house with "Tosca" advertised on it as he was dying.  It just doesn't seem that important to bring up at that moment.


I couldn't agree more Meryl. Brokeback Mountain to me is that one movie where all the right things/people came together: the right director, the right actors, the right music, scenery, story etc.

Like this movie was 'blessed'.  :)
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2008, 05:29:19 am »
I saw the film tonight, the late night showing. I was glad to see a mixed crowd of gay and straight people, but the theater wasn't full as when BBM was showing. I think the positive reviews are deserved. It's a very good movie, but not a great one. Not as great as BBM. It's an important film that covers a time in the  history of gay rights that is astonishingly relevant today. I think overall it's effective and affecting. It tells Harvey's story in a straight forward unaffected manner, which allows the viewer access into the story of Harvey's life and personality without being distracted by any superfluous directorial attempts a "artiness". So props to G.V.S for that. Of course, because of the theme of the movie I couldn't help compare it to BBM. I view it as a complement to BBM. It's the flip side, the political movement that Jack and Ennis were unaware of or chose to ignore. Milk is prose and BBM is poetry.

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I forgot to say anything about the acting performances. All just spot on and committed. Sean Penn was perfect as Harvey. James Franco was the heart of love as Scotty. James Brolin brought a complex humanity to Dan White when he could have been portrayed as a cartoon cutout. I can see several potential and deserved Oscar noms.
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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2008, 10:12:11 am »
Thanks for your insights, Paul.  You seem to have liked it less than I did, but then I've never seen the documentary.  The movie probably suffers from the comparison.

I think that's true, Meryl.  I couldn't help but compare the two.  If you don't know much about Milk's story going into it, it's probably a more enjoyable film, for sure.

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The opera bits were also curious.  Clearly, "Tosca" must have been Harvey Milk's favorite opera.  Years ago I worked on the operatic version of Harvey's story, and I seem to remember some "Tosca" references in that, too.  The scene where Harvey is watching the death of Cavaradossi was meant, I guess, to foreshadow his own death.  Spoletta, who comes in at the climax, looked an awful lot like Dan White, which had to have been on purpose.  But I don't know why Van Sant had him looking at the marquee of the opera house with "Tosca" advertised on it as he was dying.  It just doesn't seem that important to bring up at that moment.

I had noticed Milk listening to opera in his apartment, and in the store, and heard "Tosca" and thought, "Oh, no, they're not."  But they did.  I'd call that an attempt at "artiness".   8)

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2008, 11:10:18 am »
Just FYI: Harvey Milk is today's features article on the main page of wikipedia

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« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2008, 11:29:32 am »
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« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2008, 11:36:37 am »
May I second that !

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2008, 02:04:54 pm »
...I've said elsewhere that I'm a big fan of the 1984 documentary "The Times of Harvey Milk".  "Milk" borrows heavily from the documentary, and follows a good chunk of its structure.  In fact, many instances of footage included in the documentary were simply recreated with actors.  I found myself thinking, why did "Milk" even have to be made?  To me, "Times" was sparer, less sentimental, and ultimately, more effective and more moving.  "Milk" does flesh out Harvey's life, and his motley inner circle.  But I found it too hero-worshipful.  I think the blame lies with the script.  Sean Penn does his best to inject some nuance and dimension that just isn't in the script.

I was thinking about this in the shower this morning (go figure!), and it occurs to me that one reason it's good the biopic was made, despite some faults, is that the big names like Sean Penn, James Franco, James Brolin will draw a (hopefully) wider audience from a (again hopefully) different demographic than the documentary did.  In addition, twenty-plus years later it's good that the material be revisited even though the documentary will likely always stand as the definitive film on Harvey Milk.
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« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2008, 09:31:09 pm »
I was thinking about this in the shower this morning (go figure!), and it occurs to me that one reason it's good the biopic was made, despite some faults, is that the big names like Sean Penn, James Franco, James Brolin will draw a (hopefully) wider audience from a (again hopefully) different demographic than the documentary did.  In addition, twenty-plus years later it's good that the material be revisited even though the documentary will likely always stand as the definitive film on Harvey Milk.

I too hope it reaches a wide audience. Especially considering it's relevance to today's world. It saddens me to know that the people who should see it, are the very ones who will refuse.

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« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2008, 08:05:08 pm »

So, I've seen 'Milk.'

First, I must say, the actors are first rate. Sean Penn is wonderful, James Franco is a love.

The movie, well--Van Sant did manage to transmit a great deal of information and package it into 128 minutes. But--as retopian said, 'Milk'  is prose, not poetry.

But--as retopian ALSO said--one hopes the movie will reach a wide audience.

Well, good. We need it. It may not be a great film, but it is a good film, a worthy film.

Next to last: the most evocative (and scary) character was not Josh Brolin as Dan White, but the real-life Anita Bryant in full-color documentary footage. Attractive, charasmatic, talented--and utterly dangerous. Van Sant was wonderful, at least, in cleverly using the important footage, and inserting it at the right points. Good job!

Finally: the last image, just before the final credits, the silent, laughing Harvey Milk, himself. It was then tears sprung out from my eyes.

We are all in his debt--straight and gay.
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« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2008, 08:53:05 pm »
So, I've seen 'Milk.'

First, I must say, the actors are first rate. Sean Penn is wonderful, James Franco is a love.

The movie, well--Van Sant did manage to transmit a great deal of information and package it into 128 minutes. But--as retopian said, 'Milk'  is prose, not poetry.

But--as retopian ALSO said--one hopes the movie will reach a wide audience.

Well, good. We need it. It may not be a great film, but it is a good film, a worthy film.

Next to last: the most evocative (and scary) character was not Josh Brolin as Dan White, but the real-life Anita Bryant in full-color documentary footage. Attractive, charasmatic, talented--and utterly dangerous. Van Sant was wonderful, at least, in cleverly using the important footage, and inserting it at the right points. Good job!

Finally: the last image, just before the final credits, the silent, laughing Harvey Milk, himself. It was then tears sprung out from my eyes.

We are all in his debt--straight and gay.

Pretty much my reaction to the film, definitely worthy. A worthy film, a worthy tribute to Harvey. And yes, Dan White was not the scariest character, his portrayal by Josh Brolin was nuanced and one had a certain sympathy for his frustrations. It is Anita Bryant who was the face of evil in this film. She was and remains a moral monstrosity.

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« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2008, 07:15:29 am »

http://www.observer.com/2008/media/denby-scott-agree-subway-pick-scene-milk-hot-and-james-franco-angelic-hipster

Denby, Scott Agree: Subway Pick-Up Scene in Milk is Hot;
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Critical Darlings: Franco and Penn                             courtesy Focus Features

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Critics are falling all over themselves to laud Gus Van Sant's Milk. Some seem to love one scene in particular:

A.O. Scott, The New York Times:

One of the first scenes in 'Milk' is of a pick-up in a New York subway station. It’s 1970, and an insurance executive in a suit and tie catches sight of a beautiful, scruffy younger man — the phrase 'angel-headed hipster' comes to mind — and banters with him on the stairs. The mood of the moment, which ends up with the two men eating birthday cake in bed, is casual and sexy, and its flirtatious playfulness is somewhat disarming, given our expectation of a serious and important movie grounded in historical events.



David Denby, The New Yorker:

At the beginning of Gus Van Sant’s vibrantly entertaining bio-pic 'Milk,' Harvey Milk (Sean Penn) picks up a much younger man in the New York subway. Physically, the two are far from equals: Penn’s Milk is forty and short, with a big schnoz and matted wedges of hair heading uneasily in different directions; Scott Smith, played by James Franco, is tall and slender, with an angel face and a curly brown mane. But Smith is charmed by Milk’s self-deprecating humor, and turned on by his ravenous need. Sighing, Smith gives in and goes home with him. It is the first of Harvey Milk’s triumphs that we see.

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The gay leader becomes a superb pol with a human-rights agenda, and the movie offers a mildly subversive suggestion: attracting the electorate is not all that different from picking up a young man in the subway. Charm, persistence, and articulate passion are required for both.




Ann Hornaday, The Washington Post:

Thanks in large part to Penn's sensitive portrayal, when Harvey picks up a young stranger in a Manhattan subway station as 'Milk' opens, the encounter doesn't feel predatory. Instead, it bespeaks the isolation and furtive search for intimacy engendered by years of stigma and persecution. Scott Smith (James Franco) goes home with Harvey and later moves with him to San Francisco's Castro neighborhood...
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2008, 07:42:45 am »

http://cbs5.com/local/harvey.milk.bill.2.829771.html

Schwarzenegger Vetoes Harvey Milk Day Bill

Sep 30, 2008 11:50 pm US/Pacific

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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has vetoed a bill that would have made the birthday of gay San Francisco political icon Harvey Milk a statewide "day of significance."

In his veto message issued Tuesday, the governor said that while he respected the measure's intent, he thinks Milk's "contributions should continue to be recognized at the local level by those who were most impacted by his contributions."

Conservative groups had lobbied Schwarzenegger not to sign the legislation, sponsored by Assemblyman Mark Leno of San Francisco.

Milk became the nation's first openly gay man to hold a prominent political office when he was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1977.

He and Mayor George Moscone were assassinated by a fellow supervisor in 1978.
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« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2008, 12:49:59 pm »


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« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2008, 05:30:28 pm »
There are many Anita Bryants out there still ?

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2008, 07:37:50 pm »
I saw it today and really enjoyed it.  It IS a conventionally structured bio-pic but I think that because of that, it ends up being subversive.  The showing I attended had a healthy crowd made up of mostly straight people, including many seniors  (it was a matinee) and there we were, all watching a movie about gay activism.  The scene near the end when the fat lady sings was a bit much though.  I haven't heard Diego Luna'sname mentioned very much but I think he gives a wonderful performance as Harvey's very high-maintenance lover.

Saw the trailers for DOUBT, FROST VS NIXON  & REVOLUTIONARY ROAD.  They all look good, especially DOUBT with Meryl Streep as a deliciously evil nun!

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« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2008, 07:42:57 pm »
Great!

Maybe this film is out now or soon, because there are more and more anti-gays and anti-freedom, anti-educated women... these days ??

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Harvey Milk Bust Erected in San Francisco City Hall
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Almost 30 years after his assassination by a fellow city lawmaker, Harvey Milk returned to San Francisco City Hall, according to Mercury News. A bronze bust of the first openly gay politician to win an elected office of any prominence was unveiled Thursday evening on what would have been Milk’s 78th birthday. Milk, long considered a martyred hero of the gay rights movement, is the first non-mayor to have his likeness permanently installed in the civic building. He was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1977 and shot to death a year later along with Mayor George Moscone by Dan White, a former police officer who had just resigned his supervisor’s seat.

The bust, sculpted by the Berkeley-based Daub, Firmin, Hendrickson Sculpture Group and based on a photograph taken by a friend, shows Milk with a wide grin and his tie fluttering in the breeze. It sits atop a solid granite base inscribed with a prophetic statement he recorded before his death.

“I ask for the movement to continue because my election gave young people out there hope. You gotta give ‘em hope,” it reads.

Standing 75 inches high and weighing over 200 pounds, the sculpture also has three scenes depicted in relief on the base. One features Milk during his stint in the Navy, another shows him riding in a gay pride parade, and the last depicts the candlelight march held the night of the assassinations.

The sculpture was unveiled during a gala reception, seven years after the Board of Supervisors first passed a resolution authorizing a public memorial for Milk. The project was delayed when the private committee formed to raise money for the project had a hard time soliciting donations.

The private funds were ultimately secured and the sculpture ended up costing $57,500, with another $26,500 going toward a design competition, engineering and installation, said Jill Manton, director of public art for the San Francisco Arts Commission.

A panel of jurors selected the winning design of the grinning Milk from three finalists. Another entry was a more serious, classical design and the third was contemporary interpretation, Manton said.

“Everyone really felt that this particular proposal captured his vitality, his vigor, his energy,” she said.

The bust will stand in a ceremonial rotunda outside the Board of Supervisors chambers, a spot where couples frequently choose to get married. Manton said she expects the bust to be popular with City Hall visitors, especially now that California has legalized same-sex marriage.

“What I’ve heard from the head of the docent tours is the most frequently asked question (by visitors) is, ‘Where is the statue of Harvey Milk?’ or ‘Is there anything commemorating where he was assassinated,” she said.

The installation comes at a time of renewed interest in Milk and his legacy. A biographical film starring Sean Penn as the slain supervisor is scheduled to be released later this year. In the meantime, California lawmakers have been asked to establish a state holiday in Milk’s honor.

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2008, 04:40:40 am »

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Photographer Danny Nicoletta - shown as a young man in a photo shot by
San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk - met Milk when he was 19. (Harvey Milk)




Lucas Grabeel (from left), Gus Van Sant and Danny Nicoletta
gather on the set of Van Sant's film "Milk." (Dan Nicoletta)




San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk photographed by Daniel Nicoletta.




Danny Nicoletta photographed Milk's walk to City Hall from the Castro neighborhood after winning a supervisor's seat.




Photographer Danny Nicoletta, 53, was a close friend of Harvey Milk.
(Lacy Atkins / The Chronicle)



Harvey Milk's photographic memory
by Edward Guthmann, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, November 24, 2008

When Danny Nicoletta met Harvey Milk in 1974, he was 19 years old and "pretty clueless," he says. They met at Castro Camera, a funky, informal store that Milk operated with his partner, Scott Smith.

Milk was playful, animated. A flirt and a goofball. "I remember leaving there and remarking to myself how friendly those guys were," Nicoletta says. "Especially that one - Harvey."

A photographer and longtime chronicler of San Francisco's gay culture, Nicoletta joined the circle of friends that Milk tended like a mother hen. In 1978, when Milk was assassinated in City Hall by fellow San Francisco Supervisor Dan White - a year after he became one of the nation's first openly gay elected officials - Nicoletta lost a beloved friend and "gay parent."

That tragedy took place exactly 30 years ago this week and is brought to life in "Milk," the new film by Gus Van Sant ("Good Will Hunting," "My Own Private Idaho" ) that opens Wednesday at the Castro Theatre and Friday at the Embarcadero and Sundance Kabuki. Milk is played by Sean Penn, White by Josh Brolin and Smith by James Franco.

Nicoletta talked about Milk, the man, and "Milk," the movie, at his home in the Sunset District, where one room houses a huge archive of photos crammed into bookshelves, file cabinets and banker's boxes. He's soft-spoken with a slight crack in his voice that sounds like he's recovering from a cold.

Slight of build and still boyish at 53, Nicoletta has for 30 years devoted himself to preserving Milk's legacy. He photographed each of the candlelight marches that commemorated the anniversary of Milk's death; co-chaired and juried the community effort to place a bronze sculpture of Milk in City Hall's Ceremonial Rotunda; and did research and production work on Michael Korie and Stewart Wallace's opera "Harvey Milk."

Today, Nicoletta says, he speaks "three or four times a week" to students, writers and filmmakers who seek his counsel for Milk-related projects.

He's a keeper of the flame, and so central to the Milk legend that Van Sant and screenwriter Dustin Lance Black made him an important supporting character in "Milk." Lucas Grabeel, one of the stars of Disney's "High School Musical"  films, plays him and in one scene wears the actual patchwork vest that Nicoletta wore in the '70s.

Nicoletta was also one of two still photographers on the 10-week San Francisco-based "Milk" shoot.

"The set was just such a love fest," he says. "It was a hard shoot because there was a low budget and people were working their little tails off. (But) people were really thrilled to be working on this. It was very verklempt."

Danny Glicker, the costume designer on "Milk," says Nicoletta's presence on the set was "heaven-sent. With other technical consultants, so many of the insights were expressed through a filter of memory and emotion. But Danny would back up his wonderful stories with photographic proof. There was never a question of people, time or place that Danny could not answer by reaching into his unbelievably meticulous archives."

Van Sant also surprised Nicoletta by casting him in a cameo. It's a scene in which history turns. Nicoletta, playing Milk's friend Carl Carlson, is in the supervisor's office when White interrupts and asks to speak with his colleague. White then takes Milk into his own office where he shoots him.

Watching Penn play Milk was "amazing, right down to the quirky way Harvey twisted his forearm when he spoke, using a restrained but clenched fist to emphasize points. Also his tenderness to the men in his midst, his sexiness and sense of humor and of course his infamous smirk ... at times I felt like I was in the same room as my buddy Harvey."

That accuracy was evident throughout the movie. The scenes at Milk's camera store, which functioned as a social nexus and political hub, were filmed at the exact location: 575 Castro, near 19th Street. Nicoletta says Van Sant and set decorator Barbara Munch captured the physical detail and intimate, comradely vibe of Castro Camera.

"The cadence of the scenes in the camera store really brings me back. They were able to distill that and it's just very, very delightful and very moving."

When they met in 1974, Nicoletta says, Milk was 44 and had just cut his long hair in preparation for his second, unsuccessful campaign to be elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. (He was finally elected in 1977.) Nicoletta, apolitical at the time, never discussed politics with Milk: "We talked theater and film and sexual identity. In a sense, I had this nice autonomy with Harvey because our engagement wasn't politically based."

For Nicoletta, "there's something about the gravity of a feature film that allows a certain kind of closure for us. And not only closure, but fun. The film is incredibly heavy so it's not that the catharsis is not there. It's just that there's a completion."

Had Milk known that a feature film would be based around his life, just as the 1984 Oscar-winning documentary "The Times of Harvey Milk"  was, he would have been thrilled.

"He loved any kind of fanfare, really. He was kind of a little kid that way."


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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2008, 02:16:05 pm »
John, thanks so much for posting all these interesting articles and pictures.  :-*
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2008, 05:17:55 pm »
John, thanks so much for posting all these interesting articles and pictures.  :-*

Yes, thank you so much, John. I have forwarded them on to my friends here in Australia. We're looking forward to the release of two new movies of substance - "Milk" and "Ciao".  :D
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2008, 06:24:09 pm »

Thank you so much, Meryl and Kerry--I'm certainly learning a lot myself! I first received the SF Chronicle article about Danny Nicoletta from my friend Judy in San Francisco.

It's more than interesting to me that Danny is 53; Judy and I are both 54 years old, about two months apart, and we first met when she first moved to New York in 1979. She is a photographer, graphic designer, and all-around genius; she moved back to SF, then again to NY, then finally back to SF in the late Nineties.

Anyway, after nearly thirty years friendship, I never knew about the following until Judy's note accompanied the emailed Chronicle article:

I'm waiting to see "Milk" with a couple of friends... I bet the Castro Theater audience will be quite magical. Will give a full report!  I'm particularly interested in Danny Nicoletta, the young lad who worked at the camera shop. We used to discuss photography all the time back in 1975. He was such a sweet guy. Still is, it seems.

How about that!

In re: Ciao

The film opens on Friday, December 5, at the Manhattan's Landmark Sunshine Cinema on Houston (that's HOW-ston!) Street--I'll be there!

Thanks again!
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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #81 on: February 23, 2009, 11:26:10 pm »
Milk, now is more known?

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2009, 05:34:19 pm »
The opera bits were also curious.  Clearly, "Tosca" must have been Harvey Milk's favorite opera.  Years ago I worked on the operatic version of Harvey's story, and I seem to remember some "Tosca" references in that, too.  The scene where Harvey is watching the death of Cavaradossi was meant, I guess, to foreshadow his own death.  Spoletta, who comes in at the climax, looked an awful lot like Dan White, which had to have been on purpose.  But I don't know why Van Sant had him looking at the marquee of the opera house with "Tosca" advertised on it as he was dying.  It just doesn't seem that important to bring up at that moment.


I've just come back home after seeing "Milk" (Yes, good films take for ever to premiere over here when they aren't of the TDK type) and I've been reading through this thread, getting some insight and more knowledge than the film gave me. Thank you all who have posted for that.

I took the references to Tosca to be a kind of relatively heavy-handed referback to something that occurs early on in the film, when someone (The Franco character?) ribs Milk about his love for opera and Milk says he likes opera because "it's larger than life" etc. So when Milk watches the death of Cavaradossi and Tosca, it's a foreshadowing - and when he watches the Tosca posters as he dies it's going fulll circle into making the statement that his life was larger than life, just like opera. So it makes perfect sense that there is an opera about him. I didn't know that.

I liked the film, very well acted and all.... I didn't quite understand all that happened in Milk's personal life and I guess that was downplayed on purpose because it was Milk the activist, organizer and politician who was the focus of the film. But I got distracted by my wondering about what happened to his partner who suddenly wasn't there, and what was the issue with the new guy,  etc. and that took focus away from what actually happened on screen for me, so I think that downplaying backfired. Or maybe I'm just slow. I didn't know anything in-depth about Harvey Milk at all before I went to see the film, I just had some very general info.)

I guess that lack of knowledge is the reason for my immediate reaction to the film; - it made me very sad. Sad for the tragic assassination. Sad to see that whole ugly prejudiced midieval mess with the Proposition 6, though they eventually managed to defeat it. Sad to think of Prop 8 and how far there still is to go after these many years. And sad because of the time this took place... late 70's. How many of the guys walking in that Milk mourning parade at the end of the film did not live to see the mid-80's/late 80's? I kept thinking they had some truly horrible and difficult years ahead, all bigots aside, and.... the sum of all this, yep it made me very sad.


But I thought Sean Penn did an outstanding job. So this time, that Oscar was deserved.

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Re: Milk: After 30 Years, a Film Returns to a Harrowing Time in San Francisco
« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2009, 06:41:13 pm »
I took the references to Tosca to be a kind of relatively heavy-handed referback to something that occurs early on in the film, when someone (The Franco character?) ribs Milk about his love for opera and Milk says he likes opera because "it's larger than life" etc. So when Milk watches the death of Cavaradossi and Tosca, it's a foreshadowing - and when he watches the Tosca posters as he dies it's going fulll circle into making the statement that his life was larger than life, just like opera. So it makes perfect sense that there is an opera about him. I didn't know that.

Okay, I'll buy that.  Good thinking!  :)
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I saw MILK finally a couple of nights ago and thought it was quite amazing.  Sean Penn did a fabulous job.  What an fabulous actor.  To be honest, he remind(ed) me of Heath Ledger in the sense that Sean Penn became Harvey Milk, similar to Heath and Ennis Del Mar!  I did not think Sean Penn was visible whatsoever.

I saw it in Jacksonville, FL and I am happy to report a relatively full theater with a mixed crowd.  I think that Sean Penn's Oscar is enticing people to see the film who would not ordinarily.  And to me, that is a good thing.
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Merci beaucoup Lynne!

What a surprising post!

I love it!

Tell us more... please.

Au revoir,
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I just saw in my Netflix account that MILK is being released as a DVD on 3/10/2009; I have added it to the forum calendar.
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Merci Lynne!


That is good news!

I look forward to getting such!

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Hard workers
Overworked James Franco Sleeping His Way
Through Grad School

By Richard, 1:36 PM on Tue Mar 10 2009, 20,761 views




How does James Franco manage to take classes at both NYU and Columbia while penning a book while keeping his acting career going? Evidently only with lots of naps.

Some enterprising young student took a picture of the Milk  star and writing scholar dozing during at lecture at Columbia and sent it to TMZ,  perhaps for a pretty fee. Franco was also Tweeted about while he slept out in the open in Bobst library at NYU, where he's also studying. So he's sleeping at both schools! Oh James. What would Lindsay think? [Character Lindsay Weir in the television series Freaks and Geeks was played by Brokeback Mountain's Linda Cardellini]
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