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          Why did Mrs. Twist (Jack's mother), and Mr. Twist (his father) let Ennis have Jack's shirt ... jacket                  ??

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There must be many questions and answers to this: Why did Mrs. Twist (Jack's mother) and Mr. Twist (his father) let Ennis have Jack's (their son's) shirt/jacket ?

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To-day, I'll like to know...

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Artiste, From my perspective I dont think Mr Twist saw Ennis bag the shirt.
Mrs Twist, well I think she let Ennis have it cause she saw his love for Jack.

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I think she was waiting for someone to come and pick them up. I think Mrs Twist sending Ennis up to Jack´s room was a test of sorts. Kinda like "if you´re the right person, if you´re the One, then you´ll recognise the shirts."

I don´t think Mr Twist knew about the shirts. Even if he would have seen them, I don´t think he would have understood their significance



I often think about what happened to those shirts after Ennis died. They are the last proof of what Ennis and Jack had together. I sure hope they weren´t thrown away.

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Yeah, I think Mrs Twist was very glad Ennis found the shirts.  She probably knew somewhat the story behind them, and was real glad to see Ennis find them and want to take them.

John Twist couldn't care less about the shirts..

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I often think about what happened to those shirts after Ennis died. They are the last proof of what Ennis and Jack had together. I sure hope they weren´t thrown away.

Of course, Junior kept them. She was "junior" after all, his heir, and she understood him better than ennione...except Jack, of course.

You're right about Ma Twist knowing about the shirts. If she actually crease ironed Jack's jeans, then he would need to tell her not to touch the bloodstained shirts, and why.
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Wow, your posts sure all are interesting!

They do, in some ways, pose more questions than I do, maybe, and that is good.

How would Mrs. Twist (Jack's mother) know that those items were in Jack's (her son's) room?

Did she know that they were there, since they seemed to have been hidden by Jack ?

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How would Mrs. Twist (Jack's mother) know that those items were in Jack's (her son's) room?

Did she know that they were there, since they seemed to have been hidden by Jack ?

Well, I think she knew they were there because she had made it her mission to "keep his room the way it was" when he was alive. She even maintained all his clothes in the closet, clean and ironed for him. She knew the house, the room, and the closet by heart.

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I think she was waiting for someone to come and pick them up. I think Mrs Twist sending Ennis up to Jack's room was a test of sorts. Kinda like "if you're the right person, if you're the One, then you'll recognise the shirts."

I don't think Mr Twist knew about the shirts. Even if he would have seen them, I don't think he would have understood their significance



I often think about what happened to those shirts after Ennis died. They are the last proof of what Ennis and Jack had together. I sure hope they weren't thrown away.

Oh dear! I never thought of it in this way - If Ennis was the one. The one who made her son keep blood stained shirts for almost 20 years... This is so moving.

And I can see that now - maybe she really wanted him to see the shirts and to give her a sign- was he the one her son loved the most! Lovely lady!

As for the John Twist, I think that he couldn't care less. Two shirts? What shirts? He just wanted to show a final disrespect towards his son and bury his ashes in the family plot, and that's all. He didn't care for Jack or shirts. Otherwise, he'd let Ennis take jack's ashes to Brokeback.  :'(

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I wonder if Randall ever visited the Twists. But Mr Twist would probably have said something about it, if he had. Another thing to throw in Ennis´s face.


But I kinda like the idea and how Mrs Twist would have known that Randall wasn´t the One because he didn´t take the shirts with him.


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I wonder if Randall ever visited the Twists. But Mr Twist would probably have said something about it, if he had. Another thing to throw in Ennis's face.


But I kinda like the idea and how Mrs Twist would have known that Randall wasn't the One because he didn't take the shirts with him.


IMO Randall was too dandy to go to LF!! He meant very little to Jack, and Jack's mother and father knew that, as Jack was talking about Ennis Del Mar for years.

I believe that mentioning Randall in front of his parents was an act of despair, not of real affection for Randall or even a slightest possibility that he would come to live in LF!

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as Jack was talking about Ennis Del Mar for years.


Exactly. It was Ennis Jack kept talking about all those years.

I don't think sending Ennis upstairs was a kind of test for Ennis from Mrs. Twist, along the lines of "If you're the right one, you'll find the shirts"

I think she sent him deliberately upstairs because she knew he was the one and she wanted him to find the shirts.

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I think she sent him deliberately upstairs because she knew he was the one and she wanted him to find the shirts.

Yes, that could most probably be the truth!

Until this thread I never had the idea that sending Ennis to Jack's room is directly connected with the shirts, but it surely make sense. And it is so moving! Especially the love and understanding of Jack's Ma towards their forbidden love ...  :'(

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Until this thread I never had the idea that sending Ennis to Jack's room is directly connected with the shirts, but it surely make sense.
Yeah, especially considering how unsurprised she seems to be that he wants to take the shirts with him.
If she had no idea of the shirts importance, it seems to me, she would have thought it a bit..weird that this guy comes along and wants two old, bloody shirts.

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You say:
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Artiste, From my perspective I dont think Mr Twist saw Ennis bag the shirt.
Mrs Twist, well I think she let Ennis have it cause she saw his love for Jack.

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I say: din't Mr. Twist love Jack too?

Or he would not have let Ennis have that bag?


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Exactly. It was Ennis Jack kept talking about all those years.

I don't think sending Ennis upstairs was a kind of test for Ennis from Mrs. Twist, along the lines of "If you're the right one, you'll find the shirts"

I think she sent him deliberately upstairs because she knew he was the one and she wanted him to find the shirts.

I agree completely. Jack visited his parents right after the summer on Brokeback Mountain and he confided in them. When Ennis said he'd be proud to take the ashes up to Brokeback Mountain, those were the words Mrs. Twist was looking for. And conversely, Mr. Twist was NOT looking for, as he replied in a hateful tone of voice, "I know where Brokeback Mountain is."

I would also have to say that, no, Mr. Twist did not love his son Jack. No loving parent would treat their child the way he did or talk about him that way, especially after he was deceased and unable to defend himself.
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Merci Loreen:
         I believe that mentioning Randall in front of his parents was an act of despair, not of real affection for Randall or even a slightest possibility that he would come to live in LF!                       
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Loreen, I think you are right.

May I ask to you and to all:
Did you ever think that Jack's wife was a lesbian, and that would colour Jack's life?

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Merci Front-Ranger !

Can you consider the contrary that Mr. Twist loved or like Jack?

You say:
     I agree completely. Jack visited his parents right after the summer on Brokeback Mountain and he confided in them. When Ennis said he'd be proud to take the ashes up to Brokeback Mountain, those were the words Mrs. Twist was looking for. And conversely, Mr. Twist was NOT looking for, as he replied in a hateful tone of voice, "I know where Brokeback Mountain is."

I would also have to say that, no, Mr. Twist did not love his son Jack. No loving parent would treat their child the way he did or talk about him that way, especially after he was deceased and unable to defend himself. 
 
                     

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Somehow, maybe we can think of what happens, how one feels, after someone dies ?? The STAGES of grief??

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Merci Front-Ranger !

Can you consider the contrary that Mr. Twist loved or like Jack?

Somehow, maybe we can think of what happens, how one feels, after someone dies ?? The STAGES of grief??

You make me reconsider, and, yes, perhaps you are right that Old Man Twist did love his son but was going through the angry stage of grief and said some things that he would later regret. Perhaps OMT was the kind of person who gets hateful when he is angry and lashes out. This would also explain why he treated Jack so cruelly when Jack wet himself as a child. Also, he did put Jack on the woolies when he was a small boy, and Jack seemed to be fond of his dad (who knows why?) So maybe Jack's dad was loving at one time before things went sour and he became bitter.
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Jack on the woolies when he was a small boy,

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I've always wondered if I interpret that correctly. Does it mean that Jack got to sit on a sheep?

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Yes, they have an event called Mutton Busters at rodeos, where children ride sheep instead of bulls.

Them sheep are slippery too! I've never seen a child stay on even 5 seconds much less 8. I wouldn't let my child do it.

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Merci Front-Ranger!


I like your well thought post!

And you finish it with:
         So maybe Jack's dad was loving at one time before things went sour and he became bitter.
         

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Front-Ranger and all:
may I consider that Mr. Twist, as a father or something like a gardian (??), started badly, like that pissing on Jack when Jack was a youth, but then learned to love him, since Jack was loveable, and then to listen to Jack's true stories and hopeful searches, especially that Jack sought love by another man once he saw Ennis' love for his son having heard about it by Jack??

Can this make sense somehow??

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I still am puzzled as to why Mrs. Twist lets Ennis have the shirt!

And why Mr. Twist did not stop Ennis from getting out with that shirt of Jack's!

Why ? Why?