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~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« on: July 31, 2006, 12:50:10 pm »
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 01:50:35 pm »
Quite right... Thats one of the reasons I put up this poll. As people become confused they are less likely to post, and then the next thing we know, half the cast and crew will be gone. I like the thread as it is, but it does jump around a bit. I think I once called it a seven ring circus. Highly entertaining, but also very distracting.... Just trying to get some ideas.

Also, and I think I've pointed this out before, but maybe not. As people get used to the characters they are playing and the characters they are interacting with, they become lodged in a type of rhythm of bound, rebound, bound, rebound. When a character (i.e. the person playing the role) goes missing or has limited posting availability, that rhythm is halted rather suddenly. The entrance of an understudy doesn't help the situation any, as most people I think would prefer to wait for the person they are building this rhythm with to return, and the rhythm is somehow lacking in those moments when understudies must step forward.

In many ways, I suppose this could have been avoided if parts had not been assigned to specific people. But freeform performances of that sort are rarely emotionally developed. I have already apologized for my part in creating the disruption that you see, Celeste, and am now trying to do what I can to fix it without upsetting everyone. I appreciate your candor in this regard, and am open to any suggestions you may have. Its one of the reasons I put a "None of the Above" choice on the poll.
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 02:36:15 pm »
Well, I think it is subplot.... just highly detailed subplot. Thats one of the things I apologized for was Guy's extreme vulnerability and complexity as a character. Realistic, perhaps, but very distracting when those complex details emerge in a way which pulls the story away from the Brokeback Mountain elements. And of course, other characters are responding to Guy's complexity and actually drawing it out, which is also very realistic, but distracting again.

I'm trying very hard to keep from apologizing again, because I do see this disruption as being my fault. Like I said before, I am trying to do my best to fix it.  I am a little surprised that our directors haven't stepped in more forcefully to guide the action back towards the events of the film. I know that Ray's not available right now, but sometimes we need some direction to keep us from meandering all over the place like I have done. I should say I need direction, I guess, not we.
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 02:46:33 pm »

Daniel is two main characters?  Lucise is two main characters, one named after her who is actually a guy? 


Just one point of clarification:

Lucise Indapaddock is one person who has always been a man.   

That's all my 2 cents.  :)
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 02:47:57 pm »
I've been reading TP for the last week or so. I find it to be totally entertaining. I love the subplots. They bring the life and energy to everything. They turn the production  into what I think what it was intended to be...fun.  I would'nt change a thing. And please don't get too serious. I love it because its on the lightside. If ya all get serious about it it will ruin it!

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 02:49:11 pm »
Well Guy is a little bit serious, but I'm trying to make him serious in a fun way..... The union of opposites is always a creative challenge.
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 02:55:02 pm »
Daniel.
You are rocking as Guy. I love all his Phobias. They are hysterical. Your a great Jack too. I loved when he slapped himself to stop from rhyming everything. I almost choked on my cookie!

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2006, 02:59:58 pm »
I don't know about everyone else, but, well...

I often turn off the movie at about this point. The Performance Thread is sitting right there at the point where the movie starts to turn sad. And though I love it for its sadness, sometimes it hurts too much to think about it beyond that point.

(And that's speaking as the Evil Symbol that's trying to force Jack and Ennis off the mountain!)

I guess what I'm saying is that the silliness of the Performance Thread seems to me to be one way of letting go of the pain. And at this point in the movie, there's less and less silliness to be had in the story itself, and maybe the subplots are necessary to allow us to keep laughing through our tears?
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2006, 03:13:02 pm »
One critical thing to remember the Production of Broke Arsed Mountain was NEVER intended to be a true telling of the story of Jack & Ennis, excuse me folks but that's already be done and far better than any of us could ever dream of telling it.  It is a joke, a parody, a caricature.

It was never supposed to be serious, It was RAY our currently absent Court Jester who started it after all,  ;)  it is a cartoon if you will, that involves not only the plot lines of the story Brokeback Mountain but the stories and sub-plots of Broke Arsed Mountain the crazy folks trying to make the movie....Get IT.  It's certainly no different than all that Fan Fiction that some folks are so addicted to that bears absolute no resemblance to Brokeback Mountain or Jack and Ennis in anyway...many of those stories put words in Ennis Del Mar's mouth that he just would NEVER have been able to say out loud if he could even have allowed himself to think them.

SO far I think everyone involved is brillant and fiercely creative.  No apologies necessary, no changes needed as far as I am concerned.   It's kind of like that Lines Visualized thread there were only a handful of folks who ever posted on it but dozens who enjoyed reading it everyday.  I personally say "Let Be" I would not change a thing.  In the climate around here the last few weeks it was and continues to be a much need ray of sunshine and good old fashioned fun.

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2006, 03:25:24 pm »
Well I was having fun being the Continuity Director, but I did not want to assume to be more than I was, I think I was prefacing a lot of my messages to you Daniel, and to DeeDee with that, I certainly did not want to usurp a position I was not asked to do.  I would have been more than happy to play an active role in gently guiding the PT, this is something I can be very good at, even though I suck at composing humorous posts.  But when I send PM with questions to you and to others, and I get no answers to my questions and I am ignored, I feel very badly.  Add that to the fact that I have been put in my place about casting matters.  The only reason I was butting in to casting matters is because for the Continuity Director to send out Call Sheets, it naturally follows that I would ascertain that there are ac-tors to play the parts coming up.  I was also sending PM to the people whose parts were coming up.  I am a very good organizer, always have been…
BTW even though the Cast List does not reflect, we do not presently have an ac-tor to play Older Jack.


I'm sorry for failing to answer your questions, Jane. Usually, I don't care either way, so I'm willing to let DeeDee decide those things. If she doesn't respond, feel free to ask me again, letting me know, and I'll give you my opinion. Even though Jack is a very active character, he keeps looking to Ennis for cues as to what can or should be done. Ennis is the main character, and as Jack, I'm loathe to make decisions that I feel Ennis should be making. I love DeeDee and she plays a wonderful Ennis.
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2006, 03:36:48 pm »
One critical thing to remember the Production of Broke Arsed Mountain was NEVER intended to be a true telling of the story of Jack & Ennis, excuse me folks but that's already be done and far better than any of us could ever dream of telling it.  It is a joke, a parody, a caricature.

It was never supposed to be serious, It was RAY our currently absent Court Jester who started it after all,  ;)  it is a cartoon if you will, that involves not only the plot lines of the story Brokeback Mountain but the stories and sub-plots of Broke Arsed Mountain the crazy folks trying to make the movie....Get IT.  It's certainly no different than all that Fan Fiction that some folks are so addicted to that bears absolute no resemblance to Brokeback Mountain or Jack and Ennis in anyway...many of those stories put words in Ennis Del Mar's mouth that he just would NEVER have been able to say out loud if he could even have allowed himself to think them.

SO far I think everyone involved is brillant and fiercely creative.  No apologies necessary, no changes needed as far as I am concerned.   It's kind of like that Lines Visualized thread there were only a handful of folks who ever posted on it but dozens who enjoyed reading it everyday.  I personally say "Let Be" I would not change a thing.  In the climate around here the last few weeks it was and continues to be a much need ray of sunshine and good old fashioned fun.

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Actually, Vicky. As I see it, we have progressed from high school play to broadway musical to soap opera. At the rate we're advancing in our acting techniques and styles, we should be at Academy Award worthy film by the time we reach the end of the movie.
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2006, 03:42:18 pm »
I think reining in the subplots'll endanger or kill the spontaneity and immense creativity that's going on here. Same for trying to limit more what people are allowed to post, and when. The subplots reference Ennis and Jack plenty, directly and indirectly - as parodies, as contrasts, as alternate versions. All of it speaks of a deep affection and knowledge of the story, film and characters - and a wish to deal with and communicate about the original story/film by means of humour. A very good way of dealing IMO, when done out of love and respect.

I must admit I never fail to smile when I imagine the hysterical goings-on around the tent(s) up on old Brokeback in the Performance. See it all pass before my inner eye.......  Ennis and Jack falling in love in the middle of a veritable whirlwind of talking and singing animals, inanimate objects with more personality and a more noticable sex drive than many a person I've met in real life, film crew and marketing people with agendas and complicated life stories of their own, - all of them going about their confusing and exiting lives alongside Ennis and Jack living theirs. The high priestess covering the spiritual elements, the feng shui director....... So many levels and angles to dealing with BBM, in one immensely creative mix!

You're all amazing.  :) So my vote went to "leave the sublplots in". Jack and Ennis won't ever get lost - we love them too much for that.

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2006, 03:53:48 pm »
I've been reading TP for the last week or so. I find it to be totally entertaining. I love the subplots. They bring the life and energy to everything. They turn the production  into what I think what it was intended to be...fun.  I would'nt change a thing. And please don't get too serious. I love it because its on the lightside. If ya all get serious about it it will ruin it!

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I don't think that at all!  I'm glad to hear from someone who's not an actively posting character who is enjoying the ride, too.  :)

Such wonderful posts, everybody  :-*

I wouldn't change a thing, either, unless it would be to have a few more posts from the Continuity Director to focus the actual BBM story line from time to time (thank you, Jane, for your very welcome efforts).  What makes the PT fun is seeing people step in with characters and actions that are completely original and unexpected.  The singing mule, the snow attending the party via the fridge, Guy and Lucise's sudden attachment, the crotchety owl family, jealous blue jeans, commercial interruptions, the Sacred Relic antics, the warshcloth/tube parallel tent scene--such divine stuff could never have been planned, but is entirely enjoyable.

What is ultimately going to save the subplot problem is the simple fact that we do have a strong story line provided by the actual movie.  For people new to the thread who are confused, I would hope that they would look over the pages that came before and enjoy them.  One wouldn't jump into a complicated novel mid-stream, and the same goes for this crazy thread.

Maybe I would change one other thing: I'd love to see more people riffing on each other's contributions--not being scared to pick up on an incident and go further with it, or a create a new character to deal with it.  There are no Performance Thread Police to say "you can't do that!", and I hope there never will be.  The improvisation is the most fun part for me, and often I've felt people holding back to see where I'm going with something when I'm actually hoping they'll jump in with a new twist.  Only a couple of times have I PM'd other posters to ask for something specific.  I'd much rather be surprised.  :)

I think a good basic rule of thumb for the thread is what Victoria said: "Let be, let be."  Soon we'll be heading into more serious dramatic territory--this is a sad story, after all--and the tone of things will change, but the creativity of the posters here is definitely up to the task.  There will still be funny stuff, too, I'm sure.  I'm really looking forward to seeing how things evolve (perhaps with occasional gentle guidance).  This is one truly unique internet experience.  8)
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2006, 04:02:18 pm »
Right, I would like to respond to something Mikaela and Meryl have posted, our marvelously melodious mellowed mademoiselles. Perhaps it would help anybody who is confused by this thread to actually imagine it as a film set and many of these interesting stories as happening at the same time. I know thats how me and I think Millie see it, and it helps keep things clear in our head. Of course, things are going to sometimes seem out of order or out of place because of this, and also interlacing scenes may require us to read a few pages once or twice to get everything down right.  Now who would want to do that?  ;)

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2006, 04:33:27 pm »
Do you think that the cast and crew who haven't played parts yet could be invited to the party? That might help include more people. (I want to see Ennis's pyjama bottoms interact with Jack's pants. Or, you know, interactions between other upcoming props and characters. Like Jimmy or the bikers or whoever.)
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2006, 04:38:56 pm »
Hmm, well they might not be on set yet... You're free to bring guests though... :) I know Ms. Snow just arrived right when she was needed.
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2006, 05:50:18 pm »
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Do you think that the cast and crew who haven't played parts yet could be invited to the party? That might help include more people.

Great idea, Mel, but it looks like Owlma is winding up the party!  Needs to have a little one-on-one with Oscar.  ;D
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2006, 07:28:47 pm »
Hi Y'All, I love our Performance Thread.  I adore most of the subplots. 

I think we are fully cast for the foreseeable future - with pre-determined characters from the original BBM.  As to whole new characters, I know Nipith is planning to step in soon as Jack's Rearview Mirror.  Characters like that, the sky's the limit, anyone can join in at anytime.  The person playing Older Jack may not even be a member of BetterMost yet.  I feel very comfortable having some of the later parts uncast.

I love when Our Continuity Director announces the upcoming scenes and who is in them.  I love the structure and guidance of that. 

I love all the innovative twists and turns our lovely community members have added.

We're doing great. 

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2006, 10:47:29 am »
Why do I love The Performance thread so much? Well, I guess it combines all the virtues of my other favourite (silly) threads here on BetterMost. It is at the same time Lines from BBM visualized, Lines =U= Won't Hear in Brokeback Mountain, Let's write BBM Limerick (well, at least their has been plenty of poetry!), A song that makes me think of Brokeback Mountain, Imagine the Television commercials during BBM and How to speak Brokeback for Dummies. All the stuff that has been cracking me up since I joined BetterMost.net back in April and that I have had the pleasure to contribute to, is coming together here, and what can I say? It's a joyride!

Of course, there are things you could critisize. For example, as a graduate in letters, I coulnd't fail to notice we were jumping around a bit between the past tense and the present tense... Lol.  ::)

Also, the catering has abated a bit on set lately (gotta talk to the Props Magician about it). But otherwise? Move on, I say! And, most importantly, don't worry too much about what others might think!
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So I, too, would like to encourage everybody to just jump in when they feel like it. Action and reaction – that’s what keeps this thread going. Too much planning, on the other hand, destroys the spontaneity and is most of the time no good. I've experienced that on one occasion…

What would be my vote? I vote to abandon polls like this because they lead nowhere. What does it help to know that some people would wish for more of a certain plot or subplot when everything really depends on the actors' availability and daily mood, anyway. More Jack and Ennis? Well, as Annie said: ya can't have one without the other...

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2006, 12:04:09 pm »
On that note ..

On with the show folks!  ;D


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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2006, 12:57:40 am »

Maybe I would change one other thing: I'd love to see more people riffing on each other's contributions--not being scared to pick up on an incident and go further with it, or a create a new character to deal with it.  There are no Performance Thread Police to say "you can't do that!", and I hope there never will be.  The improvisation is the most fun part for me, and often I've felt people holding back to see where I'm going with something when I'm actually hoping they'll jump in with a new twist.  Only a couple of times have I PM'd other posters to ask for something specific.  I'd much rather be surprised.  :)

I think a good basic rule of thumb for the thread is what Victoria said: "Let be, let be."  Soon we'll be heading into more serious dramatic territory--this is a sad story, after all--and the tone of things will change, but the creativity of the posters here is definitely up to the task.  There will still be funny stuff, too, I'm sure.  I'm really looking forward to seeing how things evolve (perhaps with occasional gentle guidance).  This is one truly unique internet experience.  8)


Meryl,  I could not even attempt to say it better... I agree in whole cloth wholeheartedly!  The High Priestess' posts have been great fodder for riffing off and ripping off, and you have been a Class A Good Sport about my teasing!  Thanks!  xo Alec
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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2006, 11:14:31 am »
Meryl,  I could not even attempt to say it better... I agree in whole cloth wholeheartedly!  The High Priestess' posts have been great fodder for riffing off and ripping off, and you have been a Class A Good Sport about my teasing!  Thanks!  xo Alec

Aw, thanks, Alec.  You are one high class entertainer, so keep on teasing!  :-*

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Re: ~~THE PERFORMANCE~~ Plot/Subplot Poll
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2006, 11:32:54 am »
Excellent!! TERRY CLOTH likes snugglin' with the HIGH PRIESTESS, but don't let that news get around.  It might interfere with the upcoming wedding, so git yer scrawny arse back to the PT 'cause you got a ceremony to perform!   ;)
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2006, 04:10:02 am »
Excellent!! TERRY CLOTH likes snugglin' with the HIGH PRIESTESS, but don't let that news get around.  It might interfere with the upcoming wedding, so git yer scrawny arse back to the PT 'cause you got a ceremony to perform!   ;)

Now you are really sucking up, WarshRag.  The HP probably LOVES having her arse called 'scrawny!'

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2006, 11:30:57 am »
Now you are really sucking up, WarshRag.  The HP probably LOVES having her arse called 'scrawny!'

Ah yes, from time to time, I slide it forward and let it stoke my day.  ;D
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