Author Topic: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?  (Read 19163 times)

Offline LauraGigs

  • Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,447
    • My Design Portfolio
TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« on: August 11, 2009, 01:26:42 am »


Brokeback Mountain can be said to chronicle the life of Ennis del Mar — his thoughts, tastes, flaws, triumphs and mistakes.  His journey.  Most all the plot revolves around his actions, good or bad.  If you got a chance to speak with him, what would you say?  (Or would you just shoot the sh*t?)

You can choose any age: young Ennis, old Ennis, or any point in between.

Offline David In Indy

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,447
  • You've Got Male
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 04:18:24 am »
Wow! Look at him sitting there staring at me like that! Now I feel all shy....

**blush**

What would I say to Ennis? I'd say, "Even though Jack is now gone, I hope you can find happiness in your life, sweet baby. And if you ever need someone to talk to, or a shoulder to lean on here's my phone number".

I've always hoped Ennis somehow found happiness. I doubt he did. I've always hoped he found a few like-minded people to lean on when the going got rough.  :(  :(
Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.

Offline Katie77

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,999
  • Love is a force of Nature
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 04:58:23 am »
This is what I would say to Ennis, just before he said good-bye to Jack after their time on Brokeback.

"Dont say good-bye to Jack. Get your arse in that old truck of his, and forget about getting maried to Alma, and spend the rest of your life being happy setting up a small cow n calf operation with Jack"
Being happy doesn't mean everything is perfect.

It means you've decided to see beyond the imperfection

Offline Monika

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 6,586
  • We are all the same. Women, men, gay, straight
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 05:09:57 am »
My very first reaction would be to say "What the f**k were you thinking, Ennis?"



But before it went that far, my braind would probably kick in, and I iwould instead say "society is wrong, Ennis. I know it´s hard, but you have to do what YOU want. Screw society. You only got one life. Go and be with Jack."


Offline Brokeback_Dev

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,975
  • Love is a force of nature
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2009, 08:02:08 am »
I would definitely tell him to not to let Jack go when they come down from Brokeback mountain.  You cant help who you love, stop being so stubborn.

Offline gwyllion

  • Brokeback Got Me Good
  • *****
  • Posts: 401
  • Backpacker
    • My fanfiction on AO3
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2009, 08:11:21 am »
When Jack says, "Tell you what... sometimes... I miss you so much I can hardly stand it,"  I'd smack Ennis on the head and say "Smarten up, and say something, ya dumbass!"
A companion where none had been expected...

Offline Front-Ranger

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 26,070
  • Brokeback got us good.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2009, 09:19:36 am »
I would say, "Your father's a jerk, pay no attention to him." Maybe it would make him realize what he already knew inside.
Too much to do. . .I don't have time to get old!

Offline louisev

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,107
  • "My guns and amo!! Over my cold dead hands!!"
    • Fiction by Louise Van Hine
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 10:10:28 am »
Wow! Look at him sitting there staring at me like that! Now I feel all shy....

**blush**

What would I say to Ennis? I'd say, "Even though Jack is now gone, I hope you can find happiness in your life, sweet baby. And if you ever need someone to talk to, or a shoulder to lean on here's my phone number".

I've always hoped Ennis somehow found happiness. I doubt he did. I've always hoped he found a few like-minded people to lean on when the going got rough.  :(  :(

And send him chocolates every Valentine's day until he figures it out...! heh heh.
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


Offline southendmd

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,755
  • well, I won't
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 12:29:48 pm »
.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY[/youtube]

Offline milomorris

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,427
  • No crybabies
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 02:34:22 pm »
Ennis' problems, IMO, are that:

1. He's afraid of getting killed for being homosexual
2. He's a poor communicator
3. He's not a good problem-solver

1963!Ennis:

First I would tell him that being a sexual minority is not a death sentence. And I would point out that David and I have been together all this time and never had anyone threaten us. Then, I would tell him how to break the news to Alma. After that, I would tell him to tell Jack that he loves him, and ask if he could move up with LF to work on the Twist ranch.

1970s!Ennis:

"Give Jack the keys to your shack, drop the girls off with Alma, and then come back and talk to Jack."

AfterJack!Ennis:

What David said...minus the "sweet baby" stuff.
  The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 03:25:04 pm »
"I love you and I wish you every possible happiness."


Well, that *is* what I most of all want to say.


And if that didn't send him running terrified for the hills, I'd continue:

"I love you, I love Jack, I love the both of you immensely. You belong together. You have a lot of support as a couple. Forget about the past and grab on to the present with everything you've got!"

Offline LauraGigs

  • Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,447
    • My Design Portfolio
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 04:40:24 pm »
First I would tell him that being a sexual minority is not a death sentence...

Hmm.  Thing is, "sexual minority" is a pretty contemporary term...   ;)


"Condiments aisle"
"The whuh?"
"Uh, ketchup"

"Sexual minority"
"The whuh?"
"Uh, queer"

Offline Monika

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 6,586
  • We are all the same. Women, men, gay, straight
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 04:44:52 pm »


"I love you, I love Jack, I love the both of you immensely. You belong together. You have a lot of support as a couple. Forget about the past and grab on to the present with everything you've got!"
very moving.

It was interesting to read this, since today during my lunchbreak I made doodles on a paper and all of a sudden I was writing a letter to Ennis and Jack. It started with "I love you both"

Offline Mikaela

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 3,228
  • Unsaid... and now unsayable
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 04:54:17 pm »
very moving.

It was interesting to read this, since today during my lunchbreak I made doodles on a paper and all of a sudden I was writing a letter to Ennis and Jack. It started with "I love you both"


:) :-*

Offline Marina

  • Brokeback Got Me Good
  • *****
  • Posts: 415
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 06:29:30 pm »
What a great question!  I have thought about this a lot.  I'd invite Ennis out for a beer, and we'd reminisce and talk about Jack, and I'd tell Ennis how much Jack loved him, and that I'm sure Jack must have known that Ennis loved him too.   Also I'd tell him to not be afraid of taking chances in life, and to be happy.   And if he ever needs someone to talk to or listen, he could give me a call anytime!  ;)






 
« Last Edit: August 12, 2009, 12:08:25 pm by marina del mar »
“Only within the moment of time represented by the present century has one species -- man -- acquired significant power to alter the nature of his world.”
~Rachel Carson~

~Looking back on it, they both realized it was the best thing they ever had.~  - A Mother's Love

Offline optom3

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,638
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2009, 08:03:33 pm »
I would tell Ennis at the time of the reunion, to grab with open arms and hands, the key which will  make all his todays his tomorrows. I would explain when he gave me the whuh ! expression, that no one can make their partner happy if they are so unhappy themselves. I would ask him to relive the kiss  and the pure joy he felt at that time,then tell him it could be like that always.

Offline Shakesthecoffecan

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,564
  • Those were the days, Alberta 2007.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2009, 11:21:47 pm »
I am going to give this some thought and come back. I think I have this gut feeling of what I would say, but putting it into a reality, that would require some thought.
"It was only you in my life, and it will always be only you, Jack, I swear."

Offline Lumière

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,283
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 03:08:26 pm »
Ennis,

Deep down you know that this thing between you two is no little, trivial passing thing.  You know it.

You will not have him forever.  Seriously.  You won't.  One day you'll wake up and find that he is no longer around.
Tell him how you really feel about him.  I know it is difficult to say the words, but try.  Write a letter if you have to.
And if you can't do that - write him a note, with only a few words and stick it in his bag the next time you go camping together.
Do whatever you have to do.  Just be sure to tell him how you feel. 
Trust me, he wants to know.


Offline Sophia

  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,574
  • Your elbows, try to lick them
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2009, 01:30:19 pm »
I would probably say something like umhniumhn with a lot of mumble and then some more umhniumhn with a big smile  :D

hopefully he would answer me with a umhniumhn sound, and we would understand.


Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 03:44:16 pm »

What a wonderful thread (and question for the thread)!  :D  I'm sitting here at work, thoroughly enjoying all these responses.  I'll have to ponder some more before I submit a real answer to this question.  But, for now I wanted to say that this thread reminds me of how much I love the Brokie community.





the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline miha

  • Don't Say Much
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2009, 11:14:22 pm »
Both of you are always with me.  :-*

Offline SFEnnisSF

  • BBM Radio Program Director
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,548
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2009, 01:04:43 am »
Ennis,

I understand the hurt and fear and anger you feel.  I feel these same things too.  You are not alone friend.

Eric

Offline miniangel

  • Jr. Ranch Hand
  • **
  • Posts: 39
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2009, 04:10:28 am »
I'd say, "Ennis, I've got a short story I'd like you to read. Here, I bought you some cheap glasses so you've got no excuse. Now put down that damn saddle catalogue and get stuck into this."

Marge_Innavera

  • Guest
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 01:18:30 pm »
I'd say "tell Jack that the next time he goes up to Lightning Flat, you want to go with him. You can sleep in the truck or pitch a tent in the barn, but keep an open mind."

Offline Jeff Wrangler

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 27,767
  • "He somebody you cowboy'd with?"
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2009, 02:29:23 pm »
.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY[/youtube]

Just noticed this thread, and that's exactly what I was thinking!  :laugh:  :laugh:
"It is required of every man that the spirit within him should walk abroad among his fellow-men, and travel far and wide."--Charles Dickens.

Offline Front-Ranger

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 26,070
  • Brokeback got us good.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2009, 02:46:01 pm »
What a wonderful thread (and question for the thread)!  :D  I'm sitting here at work, thoroughly enjoying all these responses.  I'll have to ponder some more before I submit a real answer to this question.  But, for now I wanted to say that this thread reminds me of how much I love the Brokie community.




We love you (broke)back, friend!
Too much to do. . .I don't have time to get old!

Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2009, 02:55:15 pm »
Thanks Lee. :)

I've been thinking a lot about this thread, and still don't have a great answer about what I'd say to Ennis.  I don't think there's any one single thing I'd say to him... I might have a variety of different things to say to him at different ages or over the course of the narrative that we're familiar with.

Many of the suggestions already mentioned here in this thread would probably be close to the things I might say to him.  I'd tell him that his father was wrong, to trust himself more, to listen to Jack more, to try to find ways to be happy before it's too late.  I'd definitely tell him that society is wrong...  I don't know.  It's a very difficult question.
the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline SFEnnisSF

  • BBM Radio Program Director
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 1000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,548
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2009, 02:17:51 am »
.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-fkSYDtUY[/youtube]



I keep wanting to say this to my closeted gay Republican police officer friend, who has really been struggling with his sexuality and coming out lately... He's even more stubborn than Ennis I think, and he's built that wall of denial and separation up so high I don't know if it can ever be torn down.  It's been a roller coaster... He makes me so angry sometimes because all I want is happiness for him, and I know when he says he's "happy the way it is now", I know he's #1 very niave, and #2 lying....  Arrrgh.

Offline Shakesthecoffecan

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,564
  • Those were the days, Alberta 2007.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2009, 03:07:11 pm »
I would say to him: Ennis, your debts are paid. You owe no explaination to no one. You have loved and lost and what you do with the rest of your life if up to you. You will always carry Jack in your heart, build on that.
"It was only you in my life, and it will always be only you, Jack, I swear."

Offline BBM_victim

  • Sr. Ranch Hand
  • ***
  • Posts: 85
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2017, 01:09:49 am »
Friends, great thread!!

I don't know what i would say to Ennis - who am I anyway? A stranger nobody listens to. I WISHED Jack had told him that line from "Love that will never grow old":

...
Lean on me, let our hearts beat in time,
Feel strength from the hands that have held you so long.
...

This line always lets me cry because it's so true :'( Ennis, you will always have Jack - feel strength from that, you are not alone.

Offline CellarDweller

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 33,615
  • A city boy's mentality, with a cowboy's soul.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2017, 09:39:34 pm »
I don't think there is anything that anyone could've said to Ennis.   He was so wrapped up in his desire to pass as straight,  a few words from a gay person wasn't going to do anything.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

Offline BBM_victim

  • Sr. Ranch Hand
  • ***
  • Posts: 85
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2017, 10:31:02 pm »
Hey CellarDweller!

"..a few words from a gay person.." - do you mean Jack by that?
I wouldn't say that Jack was some random gay person for Ennis - i think you will agree. His words to Ennis would have a greater effect than anybody else' in the world. That's why i wished he would have told him something like that...

By the way, i had another thought on this. Some days ago i was reading some other terrible stuff - about serial killers, children killers, rapists. After some time i could not have it anymore and i returned back to this forum and BBM (ok, i never really left ;) ) and it felt SO much like home! It felt like a SAFE place, filled with so much LOVE. And you know what, i had another idea of what to tell Ennis:

=========
Brutal murder of people who are in love with someone of the same sex is a terrible thing, no doubt about that. But the world is much bigger than Riverton, Wyoming / Texas or even the United States. The world is filled with horrible things you actually don't ever want to know. You have something very special with Jack, you are the "safe heaven" for each other. In this cruel, unsafe world keep your loved ones close to you as much as you can. Stick together, share moments, protect and nurture each other - you will never know what will happen tomorrow. Pull Jack close and don't ever let him out of your sight!
=========

This is not perfect. Accept it as it is.

Offline CellarDweller

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 33,615
  • A city boy's mentality, with a cowboy's soul.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2017, 06:14:00 pm »
Hey CellarDweller!

"..a few words from a gay person.." - do you mean Jack by that?


The title of the thread is what would YOU  say to Ennis.  I was talking about myself.  A few words from a gay person (me) to Ennis wouldn't change anything, he was too entrenched in preserving the image he was projecting.

I thought I was the only one who read about serial killers.  :laugh:

I have the Serial Killer Encyclopedia on my bookshelf.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

Offline Sason

  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,697
  • Bork bork bork
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2017, 04:26:25 pm »

I have the Serial Killer Encyclopedia on my bookshelf.

Why am I not surprised....?   ::) ::)

Düva pööp is a förce of natüre

Offline CellarDweller

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 33,615
  • A city boy's mentality, with a cowboy's soul.
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2017, 06:01:00 pm »


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

Offline quityou

  • Don't Say Much
  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: TOTW 06/09: What would you say to Ennis?
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2018, 11:35:59 pm »
(when the girls go back to Alma after the weekend Ennis turns Jack away, post-divorce)

"You motherfucker, yer killin him, cain't you see?! Get yer ass in that truck and- christ, Ennis, does it look like i'm done talkin? Stop bein such a pussy and get in the goddamn truck."
.... ....
"Put yer seatbelt on."
...
"Alright. Now we're gonna go get Jack back afore you make an even bigger mess a things. Shut the fuck up and lemme drive - no, i'm not gettin out a the car, i know you; you'll turn around before yer even halfway there."
.... ....
"Yeah that's what a thought. Now you think on what you done ta that man and what yer gonna say ta him when we get down ta Childress."
oct 10, 2018 - day i watched bbm.