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Oh no! 2012!
« on: September 28, 2009, 09:34:46 pm »
I was just checking out the trailer for 2012 on Google.  Turns out there are "survival groups" out there because they truly believe the world is going to end or experience huge disasters on 12/21/12.

This is the first I've heard of this.  :D

Have I been living under a rock or something?


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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2009, 09:42:54 pm »
It partly has to do with the Mayan Calendar, because it only goes until (or through) 2012.  (not sure about the month and day.)

I've heard vague references to it, but not the level of hype that we had approaching "Y2K".  Although that could change as it comes closer.  

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2009, 10:00:50 pm »

This is crazy.  According to the ABC website, there are actual surivival groups that are buying supplies (seeds, wheelbarrows, gasmasks, canned food) because they truly believe the world will end.

The ABC site also says this.

But for all the hype, there is little evidence the ancient Maya ever intended for the end of their calendar to be read as a portent for disaster.

"These prophecies of doom really don't have any basis in what we know about the Maya," said Stephen Houston, a professor of anthropology at Brown University and a specialist of Maya hieroglyphic writing. "The Maya descriptions barely talk about this event."

Instead, Houston said, the Maya saw their "long count" — the longest of their cyclical calendars — coming to an end in 2012 but also beginning anew on that date, without disastrous consequences.


The article ends with this quote from one of the survivalists...

Geryl said he found comfort in sharing his knowledge with others. Since "discovering" what the future holds, he has written three books on 2012 and maintains a Web site on the subject.

When asked what would happen if December 2012 were to come and go without the earthquakes and tsunamis of his predictions, Geryl fell silent.

"I don't really contemplate that possibility," he said. "[My predictions] are so spectacular, they can't possibly be wrong."


::)

What's he gonna feel like when the New Year brings 2013?  :D



http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=5301284&page=1


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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2009, 10:27:09 pm »
I've heard about this from the baptist evangelical cousin...he is seriously worried about the anti-Christ (who "could be Obama or maybe not") and good Christians being tricked into sin by false prophets, etc etc etc...

 :-\

It was one of the most bizarre conversations I've ever not had - because he only paused for feedback once or twice in nearly an hour.

When he asked me what I thought, I told him I thought if it were true, it might be a very exciting time to live.  He didn't like that much.  Then I told him that he should trust his instincts - he was a good person and that his God wouldn't let him be led astray if he always followed his inner voice.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 12:47:29 pm »
Why are Christian folk listening to Mayan calendar predictions?  ???

They're impressed with the date 12/12/12 but they weren't impressed with the date 09/09/09?

I'd like to know if these Chicken Littles were also freaked out by Y2K predictions.

Wasn't the year 2000 supposed to herald the end of the world as well and the return of the Anti-Christ?

Is he here already and I missed it somehow (and let's not devolve into politics again, thank you very much)

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/myth_of_nibiru_and_the_end_of_the_world_in_2012/


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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 07:37:03 pm »
Beats me, Del. As usual in these situations, logic need not apply.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 09:01:19 pm »
People who are zealots do often have a fascination with death, don't they?  Predicting it for everyone, or in the case of religiously-inspired terrorists, trying actively to bring it about.  If you think your belief system provides a simple, final explanation for everything which no one can argue with, you almost can't help but be drawn to the greatest finality and the greatest simplicity there is.  Life as we are always experiencing it is so terribly messy and confusing, as it fidgets about and changes form, mocking us and slipping away, making us retract things and doubt.  Zealots must experience the possibility of doubt and complexity as a horrible, frightening thing; something they hope it will be a great relief to pass from, into an endless, perfect silence.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 12:50:55 am »
Well, at least the Mayans were correct that they wouldn't need their calendar beyond that date.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 01:48:27 am »
People who are zealots do often have a fascination with death, don't they?  Predicting it for everyone, or in the case of religiously-inspired terrorists, trying actively to bring it about.  If you think your belief system provides a simple, final explanation for everything which no one can argue with, you almost can't help but be drawn to the greatest finality and the greatest simplicity there is.  Life as we are always experiencing it is so terribly messy and confusing, as it fidgets about and changes form, mocking us and slipping away, making us retract things and doubt.  Zealots must experience the possibility of doubt and complexity as a horrible, frightening thing; something they hope it will be a great relief to pass from, into an endless, perfect silence.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 01:57:24 am »
Why are Christian folk listening to Mayan calendar predictions?  ???

They're impressed with the date 12/12/12 but they weren't impressed with the date 09/09/09?

I'd like to know if these Chicken Littles were also freaked out by Y2K predictions.

Wasn't the year 2000 supposed to herald the end of the world as well and the return of the Anti-Christ?

Is he here already and I missed it somehow (and let's not devolve into politics again, thank you very much)

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/myth_of_nibiru_and_the_end_of_the_world_in_2012/



According to some, the anti-Christ was born in the mid 1970s. I remember reading an article about this years ago when I lived in Vincennes. The article claimed the anti-Christ was born in...wait for it.....

Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

:-\ :-\

Anyway, it went on to say that he would ascend to power in the early 2000's and take over the world sometime near or after the end of the first decade of the new millennium.

I wish I could provide a link, but I can't. I read this back in the 1980s and as far as I know the Internet didn't even exist then, or if it did I certainly didn't use it. I only learned about online forums in 1988 when I joined Compuserve. :P
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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 04:57:20 am »
2012 ey?
I better start to make print outs of my favorite fan fics so that I´ll survive the post Apocalypse.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 04:20:24 pm »
I do hope somebody at ABC news puts it on their calendar to start tracking the story a few  weeks before the Event, and films the reactions immediately after - in case  there should unaccountably be an after.  Will the originators of the warning get nervous a few days before and start elaborating to cover alternate possibilities just in case?   

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 05:10:18 pm »
2012 ey?
I better start to make print outs of my favorite fan fics so that I´ll survive the post Apocalypse.

What will I take?  Certainly, all 10,000 or 20,000 or however many it is of my books and CDs.  I can't leave behind the ones I haven't even read or listened to yet, can I ?  What was the point of all that anticipation, otherwise?  Surely Monteverdi, Scarlatti, Handel, Haydn, Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Shostakovich and their fellow spirits, musical, literary and artistic, will survive the end of time?

Some special potted plants from the patio like the mandevilla and the oleander which I expect will survive the millennium, if they can survive this Boston winter indoors in less than ideal conditions. 

On the other hand, all the junk in my store room I'm leaving.  I only committed to keeping that worthless stuff till the end of time, I don't care what happens to it after that.   

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2009, 04:07:22 am »
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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2009, 05:50:34 pm »
And it's great to be here, thanks for saying so, Kelda.  I've spent precious little of my time away enjoying those books and music and this forum, and a precious lot (too precious) on my job and my other 'job', both of which have been in  'Andrew! ...Andrew! ...Andrew!' mode all year.

Maybe 2012 will finally rescue me from all that...That's the claim, isn't it?

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2009, 07:24:40 pm »
2012 ey?
I better start to make print outs of my favorite fan fics so that I´ll survive the post Apocalypse.

Nah - 2012? I guess that's when the world ends and lasses like you and me march off to hell.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 07:47:55 pm »
2012 ey?
I better start to make print outs of my favorite fan fics so that I´ll survive the post Apocalypse.

Good point.  We still need to trade some recs, if memory serves.  I could read Spuffy happily this weekend.

I love one comment - I can't remember if it's actually in the series or if it's from a slash story - but Xander is lamenting needing to know the plural of the world apocalypse.

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Mayan says 2012 a bunch of Western hooey
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2009, 12:25:09 am »
MEXICO CITY – Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_apocalypse2012

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2009, 06:12:21 pm »
Well, at least the Mayans were correct that they wouldn't need their calendar beyond that date.

Quite so, Clyde.  You can always be counted on as the voice of reason.  ;D

It's not just the Mayans who zeroed in on 2012 as the end of some cycle.  The I Ching has also been used to support the apocalyptic theories:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon#Timewave_zero_and_the_I_Ching

I just hope I'm not cheated out of seeing "The Hobbit, Part Two" by the big fracas in question.  ;)

What will I take?  Certainly, all 10,000 or 20,000 or however many it is of my books and CDs.  I can't leave behind the ones I haven't even read or listened to yet, can I ?  What was the point of all that anticipation, otherwise?  Surely Monteverdi, Scarlatti, Handel, Haydn, Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Shostakovich and their fellow spirits, musical, literary and artistic, will survive the end of time?

Call me crazy, but I would have included Mozart and Beethoven, too.  ;D
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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2009, 06:41:16 pm »
And J.S. Bach, Vivaldi and Corelli! ;)

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2009, 02:56:19 pm »
2012 ey?
I better start to make print outs of my favorite fan fics so that I´ll survive the post Apocalypse.

LOL!!

Or buy an ereader.....  ::)

Hey, wait, how're you gonna charge it?!?!

Well, go on, make print outs then....   ;)

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2009, 03:02:37 pm »
If the Mayans were any good at predicting disasters, they would have ended their calender in 1492.

Good point!

And sadly true....   :-\

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2009, 11:40:05 am »
This is crazy.  According to the ABC website, there are actual surivival groups that are buying supplies (seeds, wheelbarrows, gasmasks, canned food) because they truly believe the world will end.

Since 2012 will be an election year in the US, that might be good news here.  Maybe the wingnuts will all be hiding out in their bunkers eating canned soup and trail mix and won't be able to make it to the polls.

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2009, 02:04:55 pm »
This is crazy.  According to the ABC website, there are actual surivival groups that are buying supplies (seeds, wheelbarrows, gasmasks, canned food) because they truly believe the world will end.


Nothing wrong with canned food, is there??

You never know, they may come on a bear....  In which case some canned beans will come in handy.....    ::)

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2009, 04:40:46 pm »
Nothing wrong with canned food, is there??

You never know, they may come on a bear....  In which case some canned beans will come in handy...    ::)

[100 years after the apocalypse]

"It's too early in the apocalypse to be sick of beans..."

 ;) :laugh:

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2009, 08:03:46 pm »
[100 years after the apocalypse]

"It's too early in the apocalypse to be sick of beans..."

 ;) :laugh:
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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2009, 01:48:31 pm »
[100 years after the apocalypse]

"It's too early in the apocalypse to be sick of beans..."

 ;) :laugh:

 ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Oh no! 2012!
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2009, 06:18:11 am »
[100 years after the apocalypse]

"It's too early in the apocalypse to be sick of beans..."

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
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