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Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« on: March 14, 2010, 12:46:53 am »
In another article somebody said it tasted like reguarl cow's milk cheese. Well maybe so, but it ISN'T! :laugh:

I don't think I would be able to do it. :P


NY Post: Breast-milk cheese served at NYC restaurant

Posted by Bill Daley

Just when you think you've heard everything – especially everything from the New York Post, comes this.  "Wife's baby milk in chef's cheese recipe," is the headline. Chef Daniel Angerer of Klee Brasserie in Manhattan apparently was giving away cheese made from his wife's leftover breast milk as a canape with figs and Hungarian pepper. Seems he had  blogged about making the cheese with the extra milk and people began requesting samples.







Now, that doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is Angerer's offering a wine pairing suggestion for the cheese. His choice? A riesling.

A shout-out to my old friend Dr. Vino  for pointing out the story on his wine Web site.

Dr. Vino, aka Tyler Colman, caps his piece with these words: "What do you think? Impossible?!?" Not sure if he's reacting to the wine recommendation or the whole mama cheese concept.

As for Klee Brasserie, the restaurant's Web site is promoting a new spring cheese menu featuring cheese's from around the world -- made from cow's and goat's milk.


Posted at 04:10:59 PM in Bill Daley, cheese, Wine


http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/thestew/2010/03/ny-post-breast-milk-cheese-served-at-nyc-restaurant.html
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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 04:50:19 am »
I´ll have to go with Hell No, on this one :laugh:

Not very logical, I know, but I just don´t think I could get it down. What´s next - sperm juice? :o :o

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2010, 12:26:37 pm »
Seems to me there's a baby who doesn't get the milk it's supposed to have.....   :-\

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2010, 01:24:15 pm »


Well, I hope she's eating nice grass with some clover sprinkled in....



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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 01:48:55 pm »
I've tasted ordinary breast milk and that didn't taste anything like cow milk. When I was a kid my father had me tasting horse milk, not anything like cows milk either. Breast milk cheese sounds like a restaurant that has problems finding something interesting to serve.....I'd skip it.
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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 01:59:04 pm »
Seems to me there's a baby who doesn't get the milk it's supposed to have.....   :-\


Well, apparently the milk was left over and they weren't using it....

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Chef Daniel Angerer of Klee Brasserie in Manhattan apparently was giving away cheese made from his wife's leftover breast milk as a canape with figs and Hungarian pepper.


Here's a more in-depth article that explains it in greater detail. The bold highlighting is mine...


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Daniel Angerer is used to getting attention for the food served at his restaurant, Klee Brasserie — but the New York chef is making more headlines than ever over a new dish that has its source in his fiancee's brassiere.

"Mommy's Milk Cheese" is exactly what it sounds like: cheese made from the breast milk of a nursing mother.

In Angerer's case, that mother is his longtime fiancee, Lori Mason, who was producing more milk than she knew what to do with while nursing their now 10-week-old daughter, Arabella

We see this supply in the freezer and basically can't stuff anymore breast milk in there," Angerer told FoxNews.com.

So, the couple started researching how they could donate the milk but discovered it was a "lengthy process."

"We realized we were going to have to throw a lot of it out, pour this liquid gold down the drain, and we were not going to do that," Angerer said. "So, me being a chef, we said, 'Hey, let's make some cheese!'"


After a successful experiment in February, Angerer posted his new recipe on his blog, "Taking Butter From Lettuce and Sugar From Peas," and from there, Mason said, it took off "like wildfire."

"People were sort of intrigued, interested, put off, fascinated, disgusted — whatever it is, people were obviously reacting and responding to it," she said.

And while responses to Angerer's blog post range from supporters who call "Mommy's Milk Cheese" a "beautiful thing" to critics who are horrified by the whole idea, Mason says the responses from those who've tasted it are far less varied.

"The people who've tried it so far say the same thing, which is, 'Oh, it tastes like cheese.'"

The couple's curious neighbor Troy Berman followed suit Tuesday, saying, "it tastes the same as any other cheese to me," after sampling it for the first time.

Being just as curious, I also gave it a try, and while I found it to be slightly softer, a little more gelatin-like, than a standard slice of deli cheese, if anyone had told me it was a piece of provolone, I easily would have believed them.

Angerer said that's exactly what he was going for with this batch.

"The one you tried was more like a cheddar or provolone cheese," he said enthusiastically.

Other batches have included cow's milk, peppercorn, truffle shavings, even one with a light soy sauce, and textures range from ricotta-style cheeses to some hard enough to grate over food.

But Angerer isn't the only one controlling the flavors in the cheese.

"People ask me if it tastes different according to what I eat, and I think it does," said Mason, a vegetarian. "I think there are times, if I'm eating sweets and cookies and things like that, that it tastes a little bit sweeter than if I'm in a round where I'm eating a lot of vegetables."

It's that impact that a mother has on what's in her breast milk that has the Health Department and other critics warning against the public consumption of human cheese.

"Consumption of breast milk could unknowingly expose consumers to infectious diseases like hepatitis and HIV," FoxNews.com Managing Health Editor, Dr. Manny Alvarez wrote in the Fox News Health Blog.

Dr. Manny says people need to consider the risks associated with consuming any kind of food or drink containing human fluids.

Mason and Angerer agreed, saying "Mommy's Milk" was never intended for Klee Brasserie. But, confident in Mason's health and diet, they have no issues with eating it themselves or letting others give it a try outside of the restaurant.

"People are eating milk from a cow or a goat or a yak or whatever and the milk from those animals feed their young just like the milk from humans feed their young. And while adults of most species aren't meant to eat dairy or drink milk, we do," Mason said. "So if anything, it's less of a stretch to eat human's milk. … It's the most nutritious thing on the planet for humans."

Dr. Manny agrees that breast milk is "one of God's greatest natural foods" but says denaturalizing its properties causes the milk to lose its many nutritional values.

"So if you think you're going to eat breast milk cheese in order to improve your immune system, you should probably think again," he said.

Angerer said the couple still is going through the approval process to donate Mason's extra breast milk to those in need in its most nutritional form.

But in the meantime, the couple plans to hold some kind of a private tasting event for those looking to try "Mommy's Milk" and promises more cheeses — and maybe even gelato — to come.

"You will be the judge what is really better for humankind," Angerer said. "And if you're eager to try it, supply lasts."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588667,00.html



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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2010, 02:02:52 pm »
I've tasted ordinary breast milk and that didn't taste anything like cow milk. When I was a kid my father had me tasting horse milk, not anything like cows milk either. Breast milk cheese sounds like a restaurant that has problems finding something interesting to serve.....I'd skip it.

I agree with you Berit. I'd skip it too. I don't think I could even stomach watching someone else eating it. :P :P

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 02:03:58 pm »

Well, I hope she's eating nice grass with some clover sprinkled in....



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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2010, 02:52:52 pm »
Would I try it?  Sure, why not?  Cheese is, by nature, not a clean process.  It's all about mold.

I remember reading A Year in Provence I think it was, where the author described going to get cheese from a local who was touted highly for his great cheese.  This was before the unification and before standards were set.  The author met the guy out back where he was making his cheese and watched him mix the curds with a bare arm, pushed into the vat up to his sweaty armpit. 

The author figured it helped give the cheese its "character".  :P

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2010, 04:47:39 pm »

Well, I hope she's eating nice grass with some clover sprinkled in....



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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2010, 05:07:01 pm »
Yep, I'd try it. No problem. Wouldn't travel the world for it, but I would have no compunction about eating it. At all.

Though I think they should rather have looked into donating that excess milk to a hospital sooner. There are many early-born babies who need donated mother's milk to thrive and even survive.

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2010, 05:51:52 pm »
I can't help but wonder if perhaps the couple got this idea, at least in part, from the movie "Borat". I remember a scene in the movie where Borat offers a piece of cheese made from his wife's breast milk to a U.S. Congressman. The Congressman took a bite and swallowed it before Borat informed him it was his wife's breast milk cheese. The look on the Congressman's face was priceless! :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2010, 06:30:39 pm »

The chef is having some fun, I think!

First click on the logo here (then the address below for the map):


Klee Brasserie 200 Ninth Avenue New York, NY 10023 212-633-8033



Then click and say...




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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2010, 07:13:01 pm »
I would try it. Why not? Being intolerant to cow milk's lactose I guess a cheese made out of human milk wouldn't hurt me, would it?
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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2010, 08:28:07 pm »


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wensleydale_cheese

Wensleydale cheese
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wensleydale cheese is a cheese produced in the town of Hawes in Wensleydale, North Yorkshire, England (Source of milk: cows or ewes).

(....)

Wallace and Gromit

In the 1990s, sales had fallen so low that production was at risk of being suspended.[6] However, the popular Wallace and Gromit animated shorts A Grand Day Out  and A Close Shave  had the main character Wallace, a cheese connoisseur, mention Wensleydale as a particularly favourite cheese. Animator Nick Park chose it solely because it had a good name that would be interesting to animate, unaware of the company's financial difficulties. The company contacted Aardman Animations about a licence for a special brand of "Wallace and Gromit Wensleydale", which proved to be an enormous success. When the 2005 full-length Wallace and Gromit film, Curse of the Were-Rabbit,  was released, sales of Wensleydale cheeses jumped by 23%.




It's all about promotion, packaging,  if you see what I mean. Now if Chef Daniel Angerer thinks about this seriously--

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2010, 12:22:51 am »


Here it is! Bon Appétit!
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et63ytCgdVY&feature[/youtube]

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2010, 10:23:38 pm »
I'm lactose intolerant, so it's a "No" vote from me.

I don't think human milk would hurt you. Im lactose intolerant as well but to cow's milk lactose. I don't think it is the same thing.
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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2010, 10:57:03 am »
It's weird, because objectively speaking we should think consuming breast milk is fine -- heck, it's designed for human consumption! -- and that drinking something that comes from a cow's or goat's udder is gross. Instead, it's the other way around.

I'm guessing it has something to do with our natural response of disgust to bodily fluids. That disgust is a hardwired trait that protects us against disease. But it's not always rational. It acts independently of the actual disease potential.

Why, in commercials, do they always use blue liquid to demonstrate the absorbency of diapers or feminine-hygiene products? Because if they used fluid that looked more, um, organic, people would be grossed out. I read somewhere about a study showing that people are more repulsed by red or yellow fluids in that kind of context, even if they're just colored water.

Have you ever seen one of those TV segments where they go into a hotel room and use some special light to show all the body fluids that are typically found on the bedspread and elsewhere? Gross and horrifying, right? Yet people typically don't get sick whenever they stay in hotels. Those body fluids generally aren't a real health hazard. But they do trigger our disgust reflex.

Complicating the disgust response for breast milk is that it's the product of an intimate relationship between the mother and baby, so there's a sense of intrusion about drinking it. Most people aren't disgusted by the baby drinking it. Though I'll have to say, it is kind of a weird phenomenon, when you think about it (and I have been on both ends of the process).


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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2010, 11:56:14 am »


I'm guessing it has something to do with our natural response of disgust to bodily fluids. That disgust is a hardwired trait that protects us against disease. But it's not always rational. It acts independently of the actual disease potential.

Why, in commercials, do they always use blue liquid to demonstrate the absorbency of diapers or feminine-hygiene products? Because if they used fluid that looked more, um, organic, people would be grossed out. I read somewhere about a study showing that people are more repulsed by red or yellow fluids in that kind of context, even if they're just colored water.




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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2010, 12:31:22 pm »
I don't think human milk would hurt you. Im lactose intolerant as well but to cow's milk lactose. I don't think it is the same thing.

Lactose is lactose, it's the sugar content of the milk. There's no difference between lactose from different animals.

Cheese, OTOH, is mostly lactose-free. The lactose disappears in the cheese-making process.


Allergy to milk is something else. The milk-protein from different animals is different, hence a person who's allergic to cow milk might very well tolerate e g goat milk.

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2010, 03:12:06 pm »
I voted I'm not sure.

I find it a little bit gross, but not totally. And as others have said before, it's illogical to be grossed out by human milk, but having no second thoughts about milk from a cow, goat, sheep, horse, whatever.

I guess for me it would depend mostly on the type of cheese itself. The look, the smell, its consitence. I like cheese in general, but there are plenty kinds I don't like or even wouldn't want to try, no matter where the milk comes from.

I only skimmed through the article posted early in the thread, but I have the feeling that the chef simply made is as a publicity stunt. And/or that he and his wife have not much knowledge about breastfeeding. It's normal that women have too much milk early on. If you don't mess with the process, it regulates itself pretty soon.
The demand regulates the supply. Simple as that. Just don't trick your body by false pretenses.

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2010, 03:56:17 pm »
Though the more you use, the more you produce. If it's being consumed (by a baby, by restaurant diners, whatever), the body continues to produce it. That's how wet nurses were able to nurse babies other than their own, or how some mothers nurse their kids well into toddlerhood and beyond.

Once while I was nursing I went out of town overnight on a work assignment. I brought a pump, but since I had no means of keeping the milk refrigerated, I had to dump it out. But I still had to pump it, or else it would start to go away. Gee, why didn't I think to make it into cheese and sell it in a restaurant?!


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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2010, 05:03:55 pm »
Though the more you use, the more you produce. If it's being consumed (by a baby, by restaurant diners, whatever), the body continues to produce it. That's how wet nurses were able to nurse babies other than their own, or how some mothers nurse their kids well into toddlerhood and beyond.

Yup. That's exactly what I meant. If you trick your body with the false pretense of a pump, it will continue to produce "too much" milk. It's not too much. It's as much as there is demand. Whether the demand comes from the baby or is artificially created by a pump doesn't matter.
This is not to condemn pumps, BTW. It was meant in reply to the chef's statement that they simply had too much milk and thus he thought about what to do with it. If you have continously too much milk, you're doing it wrong, or on purpose. May it be for donating the milk, or for a publicity stunt. I simply don't believe his innocent statement of "we had too much milk and didn't know what to do with it".

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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2010, 05:50:00 pm »
Yup. That's exactly what I meant. If you trick your body with the false pretense of a pump, it will continue to produce "too much" milk. It's not too much. It's as much as there is demand. Whether the demand comes from the baby or is artificially created by a pump doesn't matter.
This is not to condemn pumps, BTW. It was meant in reply to the chef's statement that they simply had too much milk and thus he thought about what to do with it. If you have continously too much milk, you're doing it wrong, or on purpose. May it be for donating the milk, or for a publicity stunt. I simply don't believe his innocent statement of "we had too much milk and didn't know what to do with it".

Oh, I see, right. If she pumped like crazy for a while just to build up some extra for when she's out of town or something, she might get a temporary buildup. But ordinarily, the supply naturally adjusts to meet the demand. It doesn't just pour out on its own, so you have no choice but to serve it in a restaurant!  :laugh:




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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2010, 05:57:39 pm »
Glasgow's Children's Hospital has a milk bank... nursing Mum's can donate their own milk to feed needy babies.

I know my friend though about it, she was unable to feed her own baby, as Emma was so premature, but she had the supply coming in..
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Re: Breast Milk Cheese - Would You Try It?
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2010, 10:08:47 am »
lmao

quite a subject here.

Breast milk cheese.....Mmmmmm I may try it.

I'm reminded of an episode of "Friends".  Ross was watching his infant son, Ben.  Ben's mother has pumped some extra breast milk for Ben while she was way.

After warming the bottle, Phoebe puts some on her wrist to check the temp, and then licks it off, to the horror of the guys in the room.

Her reply?  It's just breast mik!

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