Author Topic: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?  (Read 3438 times)

Offline Meryl

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,192
  • There's no reins on this one....
New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« on: January 14, 2011, 03:53:31 pm »
New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?

The Huffington Post   |  Dean Praetorius First Posted: 01-13-11 01:01 PM   |   Updated: 01-14-11 09:30 AM

Your zodiac sign may not actually be your zodiac sign anymore.

Astronomer Parke Kunkle says that due to changes in the Earth's alignment the dates of many zodiac signs have changed, according to NBC. In addition, there may be a 13th Zodiac sign: Ophiuchus.

Kunkle says that as the Earth and Sun slowly move the signs gradually change, as expected.

The change didn't happen over night either. The 12 signs were designated to different periods of the year almost 3,000 years ago, when astrology began, and since then the Earth's position in relation to the sun has changed.

While the sign many people were born under may now be different, it shouldn't affect horoscope readings, according to NBC.

See if your Zodiac sign has changed below. (And find out if your friends' signs have changed here or under the dates below.)

The New Dates:

Capricorn: Jan. 20 - Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16 - March 11
Pisces: March 11- April 18
Aries: April 18 - May 13
Taurus: May 13 - June 21
Gemini: June 21 - July 20
Cancer: July 20 - Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10 - Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16 - Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30 - Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23 - Nov. 29
Ophiuchus: Nov. 29 - Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17 - Jan. 20

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/new-zodiac-sign-dates-oph_n_808567.html#s223863&title=kristin_leigh
Ich bin ein Brokie...

Offline Lynne

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,291
  • "The world's always ending." --Ianto Jones
    • Elizabeth Warren for Massachusetts
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 03:59:26 pm »
New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?

The Huffington Post   |  Dean Praetorius First Posted: 01-13-11 01:01 PM   |   Updated: 01-14-11 09:30 AM

Your zodiac sign may not actually be your zodiac sign anymore.

Astronomer Parke Kunkle says that due to changes in the Earth's alignment the dates of many zodiac signs have changed, according to NBC. In addition, there may be a 13th Zodiac sign: Ophiuchus.

Kunkle says that as the Earth and Sun slowly move the signs gradually change, as expected.

The change didn't happen over night either. The 12 signs were designated to different periods of the year almost 3,000 years ago, when astrology began, and since then the Earth's position in relation to the sun has changed.

While the sign many people were born under may now be different, it shouldn't affect horoscope readings, according to NBC.

See if your Zodiac sign has changed below. (And find out if your friends' signs have changed here or under the dates below.)

The New Dates:

Capricorn: Jan. 20 - Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16 - March 11
Pisces: March 11- April 18
Aries: April 18 - May 13
Taurus: May 13 - June 21
Gemini: June 21 - July 20
Cancer: July 20 - Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10 - Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16 - Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30 - Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23 - Nov. 29
Ophiuchus: Nov. 29 - Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17 - Jan. 20

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/new-zodiac-sign-dates-oph_n_808567.html#s223863&title=kristin_leigh

Hunh?

I'm really sure I'm an Aries and not a Pisces, based on what I've read over my lifetime...unless Pisces get Aries characteristics and those shift too, which may be the point I'm missing...

 ???
"Laß sein. Laß sein."

Offline Meryl

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,192
  • There's no reins on this one....
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 04:06:49 pm »
Posted at 12:15 PM ET, 01/13/2011

New Zodiac sign dates: Don't switch horoscopes yet

By Melissa Bell

(Courtesy of the Geography and Map Division, Library of Congress)

So, you've spent your whole life happily smug in your star sign. You're a fish! Swimming in two directions! You're intuitive, imaginative, unworldly! And then today's Web is aflame with the news: You are not a Pisces. You are an Aquarius. Your star sign has been wrong your whole life. All along, you've been a freaking water carrier. This is not cool.

According to Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, cool or not, it's written in the stars. Star signs were created some 2,000 years ago by tracking where the sun was in the sky each month. However, the moon's gravitational pull has slowly moved the Earth in its axis, creating about a one-month bump in the stars' alignment, reports the Minnesota Star Tribune. Now, during what we think as the month of Pisces, the sun is actually in the sign of Aries.

The new dates would therefore be:

Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11
Pisces: March 11-April 18
Aries: April 18-May 13
Taurus: May 13-June 21
Gemini: June 21-July 20
Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23-Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20

Is this the dawning of a new age of Aquarius? Well, Kunkle is an astronomer who is not too keen on the practice of astrology. When asked by telephone if the new star locations now require us all to switch our loyalty to a new sign, he demurred. "I can tell you what the science is, but I'm not going to tell you what your personality is based on the location of things."

Commentators have also responded to the initial article, saying the new location of the earth does not matter. One wrote, "Oh for heaven's sake (oops), how can people with Ph.D.s be so ignorant? Of course astrologers know about precession -- they've known since about 200 BC. Horoscopes always take it into account... Sheesh."

The commentator is correct that this is not new information. Live Science reported on the role of "precession" on astrology in 2007. Precession is the phenomenon of the moon causing the earth to "wobble" on its axis.

Other astrologists say the ancient system was merely a practice used as a helpful hint for diviners. Blogger Jamie on Darkstar Astrology writes, "It is the planets moving across the backdrop of the stars which influence our lives, not the planets moving through imagined 30 degree divisions on a piece of paper."

So all those hapless men and women who rushed out in college to get a scorpion tattooed on their back don't need to now rush to sign up for laser removal. If you're going to believe that all the people born on your birthday are imbued with certain traits similar to your own in some mystical, ancient manner, you might as well believe it does not matter where the stars are in the sky to begin with. On the flip side, if you've never liked your sign, here's your chance to switch.

Update: Well, strike that, you don't get to switch your sign. At least reader StarJack says so: "The stars are markers that drift, but our main points of reference are not directly the stars. They are the equinoxes (both spring and vernal) and the solstices which altogether make the four cardinal points of the zodiac which in turn determine the signs. The stars help us locate those points which define the SIGNS of the Zodiac which remain constant in relation to the equinox point. The CONSTELLATIONS do move about and we take that into consideration when locating planets."

Update take 2: To address a couple issues readers have brought up: the purported "new" sign of Ophiuchus is not a new sign. According to the original constellation chart, Ophiuchus made the list. People born between Nov. 29-Dec. 17 now fall under the Ophiuchus sign, also known as the Serpent Holder sign (according to Time, you'd therefore be an interpreter of dreams and vivid premonitions and envied by your peers and favored by your father and authority figures).

However, the Babylonians discarded the 13th sign, to make for an even 12 signs two millennia ago. Which brings us to our next point: in case you don't know the O.G. star chart, here's what constellation your sign fell under 2,000 years ago:

Aries: March 21 - April 19
Taurus: April 20 - May 20
Gemini: May 21 - June 20
Cancer: June 21 - July 22
Leo: July 23 - August 22
Virgo: August 23 - September 22
Libra: September 23 - October 22
Scorpio: October 23 - November 21
Sagittarius: November 22 - December 21
Capricorn: December 22 - January 19
Aquarius: January 20 - February 18
Pisces: February 19 - March 20

And if all this talk has put you in need of a horoscope reading, here's the Washington Post daily astrology fix.

Update III:
A big part of the whole debate comes from a divide in the astrological world: tropical vs. sidereal zodiac. From Eric Francis of Planet Wave writes: "Kunkle is describing what is called the sidereal zodiac: the backdrop of the stars. It's not the zodiac used by most Western astrologers; it's the one used by Vedic astrologers, the kind in India, and a few in our part of the world. Here in the West, we use a zodiac that follows the seasons. It's called the tropical zodiac. It's based on the position of the Sun's rays and the tropics -- that's why it's called tropical."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2011/01/new_zodiac_sign_dates_dont_swi.html
Ich bin ein Brokie...

Offline Jeff Wrangler

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 27,123
  • "He somebody you cowboy'd with?"
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 04:12:04 pm »
Hunh?

I'm really sure I'm an Aries and not a Pisces, based on what I've read over my lifetime...unless Pisces get Aries characteristics and those shift too, which may be the point I'm missing...

 ???

And I'm a classic, even a stereotypical, Taurus. Ain't nobody tellin' me that I'm now an Aries.  >:(

Oh, and BTW, Pluto is still a planet, too.  ;D

Edit to Add:
Quote
Update: Well, strike that, you don't get to switch your sign. At least reader StarJack says so: "The stars are markers that drift, but our main points of reference are not directly the stars. They are the equinoxes (both spring and vernal) and the solstices which altogether make the four cardinal points of the zodiac which in turn determine the signs. The stars help us locate those points which define the SIGNS of the Zodiac which remain constant in relation to the equinox point. The CONSTELLATIONS do move about and we take that into consideration when locating planets."

Um, somebody needs to remind "StarJack" that the spring equinox is the vernal equinox. Sheesh. ...  ::)
"It is required of every man that the spirit within him should walk abroad among his fellow-men, and travel far and wide."--Charles Dickens.

Offline Lynne

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,291
  • "The world's always ending." --Ianto Jones
    • Elizabeth Warren for Massachusetts
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 04:14:48 pm »
...
Oh, and BTW, Pluto is still a planet, too.  ;D

Of course it is!  Poor Pluto, just because its orbit is eccentric compared to the rest of the planets.  I don't think people should discriminate based on eccentricity.

 :D
"Laß sein. Laß sein."

Offline Jeff Wrangler

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 27,123
  • "He somebody you cowboy'd with?"
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 04:18:23 pm »
Of course it is!  Poor Pluto, just because its orbit is eccentric compared to the rest of the planets.  I don't think people should discriminate based on eccentricity.

 :D

I agree, hunnerd percent!  ;D
"It is required of every man that the spirit within him should walk abroad among his fellow-men, and travel far and wide."--Charles Dickens.

Offline Brown Eyes

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,375
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 04:20:11 pm »
I know, there really is something odd about the idea of all of a sudden switching signs.  When you've grown up with a sign as an element of identity... it's funny to all of a sudden be told that you've been wrong all along.  This news seems to be freaking a lot of people out.  I've always been on the cusp anyway... but, I've always identified with Taurus (very strongly).  Maybe it's one reason why I like watching bull riding.
 ;D

the world was asleep to our latent fuss - bowie

Offline CellarDweller

  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • ********
  • Posts: 33,104
  • A city boy's mentality, with a cowboy's soul.
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 04:20:56 pm »
So I went from Capricorn to Sagittarius.

 :laugh:


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

Offline Lynne

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,291
  • "The world's always ending." --Ianto Jones
    • Elizabeth Warren for Massachusetts
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 04:32:43 pm »
I know, there really is something odd about the idea of all of a sudden switching signs.  When you've grown up with a sign as an element of identity... it's funny to all of a sudden be told that you've been wrong all along.  This news seems to be freaking a lot of people out.  I've always been on the cusp anyway... but, I've always identified with Taurus (very strongly).  Maybe it's one reason why I like watching bull riding. ;D

Makes as much sense as anything else.   :-*
"Laß sein. Laß sein."

Offline Meryl

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,192
  • There's no reins on this one....
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 08:09:30 pm »
I went from Pisces (right on the cusp) to Aquarius.  Since my rising sign is Aquarius, I don't feel much different!  ;)

I feel for folks who are now Ophiuchus, though.  What a bitch to pronounce.  ;D
Ich bin ein Brokie...

Offline delalluvia

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,289
  • "Truth is an iron bride"
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 10:12:22 pm »
New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?

Finally this is getting some press.  I saw a website with this information back in 1998.  I printed it out for my Book of Shadows.

I even brought it up on a website 5 years ago on a thread specifically about astrology and no one even responded.

Perhaps if they got the signs wrong, they also got the personality traits wrong as well.


Offline Lynne

  • BetterMost Supporter
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 9,291
  • "The world's always ending." --Ianto Jones
    • Elizabeth Warren for Massachusetts
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 10:19:16 pm »
My theory is that the personality traits stay with the Zodiac sign. But how do you pronounce 'Ophiuchus' anyhow?  And what are their characteristics supposed to be?
"Laß sein. Laß sein."

Offline delalluvia

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,289
  • "Truth is an iron bride"
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 09:39:31 pm »
My theory is that the personality traits stay with the Zodiac sign. But how do you pronounce 'Ophiuchus' anyhow?  And what are their characteristics supposed to be?

 Oh-fee-YOU-cuss

And of course, like all good astrology, what the characteristics are depends on what source you use.  Here' s some I found



LIST OF KEY WORDS DESCRIBING THE SIGN OF OPHIUCHUS
interpreter of dreams, vivid premonitions,
attracts good luck and fruitful blessings,
serpent holder, lofty ideals,
a seeker of peace and harmony,
doctor of medicine or science, natural-pathic,
adds, increases, joins, or gathers together
poetical, inventive nature, expanding qualities,
seeks higher education and wisdom,
overseer, supervisor of work,
fame - either grand, or completely misunderstood,
longevity, aspirations of healing the ills of man,
architect, builder, reaches for the stars, figuratively and literally,
tax assessor, or levys taxes,
astrological talents, intuitive,
large family indicated, but apt to be separated from them when young,
the number twelve holds great significance,
foresight and good fortune to benefit from hard times,
has secret enemies in family or close associations,
many jealous of this subject,
notable father, apple of father's eye when young,
high position in life expected [depending on aspects] highest fame and legend comes after death
feelings of granular, wise, genius mentality,
likes to wear clothing of vibrant colors, and plaids in particular,
receives the favor of those in authority.

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 11:30:05 pm »









The Ophiuchus symbol suggested by Walter Berg (1995)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus_(astrology)
"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline David In Indy

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • BetterMost Moderator
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 18,447
  • You've Got Male
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2011, 01:56:55 am »
I can't believe I'm a Virgo now! I've been thinking of myself as a Libra for 48 years, so this will take some getting used to! :laugh:

Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.

Offline delalluvia

  • BetterMost 5000+ Posts Club
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,289
  • "Truth is an iron bride"
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 02:06:53 am »
I can't believe I'm a Virgo now! I've been thinking of myself as a Libra for 48 years, so this will take some getting used to! :laugh:



I refuse to relinquish my Libra-ness.  I'm no Virgo.  And my sister is certainly no Leo!

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 10:51:08 am »



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/15/rachel-maddow-new-zodiac-signs_n_809541.html


Rachel Maddow
On New Zodiac Signs:
I'm Not Changing Mine!

First Posted: 01-15-11 02:07 PM
Updated: 01-15-11 02:07 PM



Click for video:



Rachel Maddow sent a message to the people behind the new zodiac signs: I'm not changing mine.

Speaking on her Thursday show, Maddow took viewers on a whirlwind tour of the changes to the Earth's magnetic fields that led some astronomers in Minnesota to the new signs. She even managed to bring the Tampa International Airport in Florida into her discussion. Then she dropped a bombshell: her own sign had supposedly changed, from an Aries to a Pisces. Maddow insisted that she was sticking to Aries, thank you very much:


"Despite not believing really in astrology, I insist on remaining an Aries. And never mind the freaking Minnesota Planetarium Society and their big facts about the universe. No matter what they say, I am not trading the mighty Aries ram for some tiny pair of fish and life as a Pisces. I'm not doing it! But I am sort of psyched that even as we tiny little things on the Earth's crust lament that things on the Earth's crust, things here in our world can't change, the very Earth, the universe, mocks us by itself changing and by forcing us to adapt. I love that."


Also, on the Today Show:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#41072968
"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline Aloysius J. Gleek

  • BetterMost Supporter!
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,011
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 11:00:01 am »




Whew, happily, unlike Rachel Maddow, I'm still  an Aries, April 19.  I used to be the day before the last day, now I'm the day after the first day.




(Oh well. I actually do wear lots of sweaters.)
 ::) ;D


I wonder, though, if I'm still a (1954) Horse??



"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"

Offline southendmd

  • Town Administration
  • The BetterMost 10,000 Post Club
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,290
  • well, I won't
Re: New Zodiac Sign Dates: Ophiuchus The 13th Sign?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 11:41:32 am »
I don't follow this stuff, but perhaps I'll find a way of combining the old and the new.

So, I'll just be a Virgin Lion.