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Mason Dixon, by B73
« on: October 04, 2006, 03:23:05 pm »
Jack and Ennis meet as a runaway and a Georgia cracker in 1857, and wind up on opposite sides of the Civil War, years later. But, as the author points out, this story has happened many times, and will happen many times in the future, as the reunion of that which cannot be separated restores, for a little while, the balence in the universe, and ,for a little while, all's right with the world.



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(Spelling of Story Name corrected: Louisev)
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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006, 08:27:10 am »
This is just beautiful...

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2006, 07:24:29 pm »
This is one of my favorite stories by Maggie (B73).  Although, it is sad in some respects, its ending just seems to glow with grace.     Karen

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 02:35:06 pm »
Hiya, it's different and I haven't read all of it yet, but it's an interesting story, very sad though...

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2006, 02:01:25 am »
But the end is so..joyful...
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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 07:21:55 am »
But the end is so..joyful...

Oh, it's a finished story? Great!  :)

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2006, 07:50:21 am »
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But the end is so..joyful...

That is not the word I would use, and it made me think of an entirely different ending... thanks...

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2006, 09:34:45 am »
I agree, Mel. Joyful is not exactly the word I would use either  :-\

Though, I couldn't have seen this story going any other way really

(spoilers ahead......................................................)


I did like that at least it was a bit hopeful with the discussion of the two souls meeting again and again.

Though the ending is heartbreaking, IMO, I still recommend this story. It is very beautifully written. I don't know what else to say about it, that's one of the reasons I haven't commented on this thread. This story absolutely took my breath away. I loved it.
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2006, 10:43:39 am »
I agree, Mel. Joyful is not exactly the word I would use either  :-\

Though, I couldn't have seen this story going any other way really

(spoilers ahead......................................................)


I did like that at least it was a bit hopeful with the discussion of the two souls meeting again and again.

Though the ending is heartbreaking, IMO, I still recommend this story. It is very beautifully written. I don't know what else to say about it, that's one of the reasons I haven't commented on this thread. This story absolutely took my breath away. I loved it.

Well, there was definitely something about it that struck me, it's very original and I did feel the love between them very well, so that was well done, but the ending was just so unexpected, maybe I should not have read the comment on here, which was probably meant to be sarcastic, but did not come over as such, so maybe I was subconsciously expecting a happy ending. Not a nice experience, I will tell you that.   :'(

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2006, 04:05:58 pm »
Yeah, I sobbed really hard after reading it... because even though I thought it would probably end the way it did, I had hoped it wouldn't. Though, I'm with you, I read it after finding this thread and didn't read the "joyful" comment as sarcastic at all and was really confused.
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2006, 04:43:27 pm »
But the end is so..joyful...

It sounds like some folks were misled by this commentary.

Readers please be advised:   "Mason Dixon" is NOT a happy ending story!
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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2006, 02:51:16 am »
It's the reincarnation thing that is joyful, not the lives of that particular Ennis and Jack...sorry if I made you all think I am an idiot; I'm not.

However, some people seem to have this non-fact firmly fixed in their minds...

Hey--anyone read "Rusted Pipe" yet?
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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2006, 10:01:40 pm »
Yes I sobbed too--but the deaths of the protagonists is NOT the end of the story:

This is the end of the story:

There are some things which can never be divided; like the land that runs from the North to the South (sic) of our country, the land falsely demarcated by the Mason Dixon line but yet will always be one, just as it always has been, long before the invisible line had been drawn; had always been that way and always would be until the end of time.

The Civil War was not the first time the principals of our story had come together, nor would it be the last.  Sometimes the reunion was joyful and serene, sometimes not.; this time in the fields of war in the East; that time,  in the buffalo plains  of the Midwest; the next time, perhaps, on a mountain peak in the Big Horns; and so on.

The grass does remember the lives of those who fell upon it; what remembers too is a stream bank in Georgia where, over a century ago the reunion of that which cannot be separated had occurred; and here and there, across the land, the memory does linger like grave markers within the soil and the roots of the meeting of two souls which which, when brought together at last restore balance in the universe, and, for a while, all is right in the world."


Now if that is not flat out joyous, I don't know what is.
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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2006, 10:16:08 pm »
Yes I sobbed too--but the deaths of the protagonists is NOT the end of the story:

This is the end of the story:

There are some things which can never be divided; like the land that runs from the North to the South (sic) of our country, the land falsely demarcated by the Mason Dixon line but yet will always be one, just as it always has been, long before the invisible line had been drawn; had always been that way and always would be until the end of time.

The Civil War was not the first time the principals of our story had come together, nor would it be the last.  Sometimes the reunion was joyful and serene, sometimes not.; this time in the fields of war in the East; that time,  in the buffalo plains  of the Midwest; the next time, perhaps, on a mountain peak in the Big Horns; and so on.

The grass does remember the lives of those who fell upon it; what remembers too is a stream bank in Georgia where, over a century ago the reunion of that which cannot be separated had occurred; and here and there, across the land, the memory does linger like grave markers within the soil and the roots of the meeting of two souls which which, when brought together at last restore balance in the universe, and, for a while, all is right in the world."


Now if that is not flat out joyous, I don't know what is.

thanks for posting that, that is some very very beautiful writing... I've been meaning to reread the entire story so this was nice.  :D

Joyous is still not really the word I would use... hopeful maybe? I'm not sure. The ending (not the deaths but the section you quoted, I understood that you meant this part) is bittersweet for me. Beautiful, but not joyous, IMO.
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2006, 10:30:50 pm »
The next step would be to read Maggie's story entitled Portrait of a Farmer - and it's second part intitled Unseasonable Storm.  If you liked ending of Mason Dixon that was posted on here, then some elements in Unseasonable Storm will have very special meaning for you.   :)

http://b73.livejournal.com/?skip=20  Links to Portrait of a Farmer chapters can be found there.
http://b73.livejournal.com/  And links to Unseasonable Storm on her current LJ page.

Don't miss these!  Heck, don't miss any of Maggie's stories.  BUT... these are especially good in conjunction with Mason Dixon.

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2006, 10:39:14 pm »
...and don't forget "Rusted Pipe." That one--has a happyy endiing (in the conventional sense).

The suidden sense that all the stopries are TRUE struck me as joyous--perhaps not the best word. Sometimes joyous, sometimes not...

Assuming Maggie doesn't want to write them all, I've started one mywself, set in Atlanta, Georgia, in 1949...
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2006, 10:52:29 pm »
...and don't forget "Rusted Pipe." That one--has a happyy endiing (in the conventional sense).

I didn't forget that one.  In fact, I think I've read nearly all of her stuff now.  I was mainly referencing Portrait of a Farmer and Unseasonable storm, because those two relate to Mason Dixon.  The Ennis and Jack in those stories have kind of a dream-memory of their lives in Mason Dixon. I was trying not to say too much, so as not to ruin it for folks who want to read it as it evolves.  Unseasonable Storm is where it really starts to happen (Portrait comes first but is fairly short). 

I love the thread through her stories showing that these guys have loved each other again and again throughout many different times and situations.  She does that a lot with her Union Pacific/Signal Crossing/Catch the Westbound series.  Jack and Ennis had dreams off and on through their lives - of living a life up on a mountain.  Something they eventually realize they have in common.  Lovely imagery.  This series is still in progress. 

Speaking of imagery.  There's great imagery in Rusted Pipe, isn't there?  Symbology of the mountain - there toward the end of the story?  Hmm... think I may need to read it again.  It's not fresh enough in my mind.

And since we're tossing more titles into this thread, her other new story Lake Geneva is wonderful.  More "light-hearted" as she puts it than her others.  Jack and Ennis are very distant cousins who end up spending the summer together.  Teenagers.  She so beautifully takes us along - watching their friendship develop.  It's just yummy.

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2006, 08:31:34 am »
And since we're tossing more titles into this thread, her other new story Lake Geneva is wonderful.  More "light-hearted" as she puts it than her others.  Jack and Ennis are very distant cousins who end up spending the summer together.  Teenagers.  She so beautifully takes us along - watching their friendship develop.  It's just yummy.

Hey, that's such a coincidence, I just spent my vacation at Lake Geneva, Switserland! Do you have link for the story? By the way, welcome to bettermost!  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2006, 11:56:12 pm »
Hey, that's such a coincidence, I just spent my vacation at Lake Geneva, Switserland! Do you have link for the story? By the way, welcome to bettermost!  ;)

Her current LJ page has links to all chapters of Lake Geneva.  It's at chapter 8 right now, but Maggie writes FAST.  It's not unusual to get one or two chapters per day.  I usually check before I go to lunch to see if there's a new chapter to read.
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This Lake Geneva, however, is in Wisconsin.  ;)

And thanks for the welcome!  :)

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 12:16:43 am »
thank you so much for recommending Portrait of a Farmer and Unseasonable Storm... I just finished the last chapter she's posted and they are both so beautiful, i don't even have words right now. This is some seriously good writing!
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 02:47:03 am »
They are ALL sequeLs to "Mason Dixon," every last one...but I guesss "Unseasonable Storm" is the last of therm...I have takern to wearing a lot of amber...
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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 10:03:48 am »
I know, very interesting the way she ties them all together. I love that idea. I won't give too much away but the dream memory you talked about... wow.

Unseasonable storm isn't a finished story yet is it? Just making sure I wasn't missing chapters...
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2006, 08:21:59 pm »
I know, very interesting the way she ties them all together. I love that idea. I won't give too much away but the dream memory you talked about... wow.

Unseasonable storm isn't a finished story yet is it? Just making sure I wasn't missing chapters...

Nope, Unseasonable Storm is still in progress.  She has several in progress.  Lake Geneva is completely wonderful - she's posted several chapters in the last couple days.  Jack and Ennis are 15-16 in that one.  Lovely writing.

The other series that is still in progress starts with Union Pacific - continues with Signal Crossing - and then Catch the Westbound.  They'll really take you through the emotional wringer, trust me.  But they're wonderful.  The last in the series is still going.  It has reached the "present day" and she said may continue for a while - I hope so... I've got a lot of hope wrapped up in those two men in that story.  It's really something.  Kind of epic in proportion - like BBM, itself.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2006, 08:28:05 pm »
Nope, Unseasonable Storm is still in progress.  She has several in progress.  Lake Geneva is completely wonderful - she's posted several chapters in the last couple days.  Jack and Ennis are 15-16 in that one.  Lovely writing.

The other series that is still in progress starts with Union Pacific - continues with Signal Crossing - and then Catch the Westbound.  They'll really take you through the emotional wringer, trust me.  But they're wonderful.  The last in the series is still going.  It has reached the "present day" and she said may continue for a while - I hope so... I've got a lot of hope wrapped up in those two men in that story.  It's really something.  Kind of epic in proportion - like BBM, itself.

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I'll have to check out the Union Pacific series... her writing is very beautiful and I think epic is the perfect word for it. I'm starting Lake Geneva tonight, but I swear with how good her stories are I'll probably get through all ten chapters very quickly and will want to start the next series almost immediately. Before reading these, I thought for sure I'd only want happy endings out of AUs... but she can give whatever ending she pleases because no matter what, I'm always left with a beautiful feeling.
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2006, 02:22:46 am »
Y.mean--there;s MORE to "Unseasonable Storm"?

Who knew that "B73" is a HYBRID OF CORN? (i MEAn that literally...)
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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2006, 01:58:05 am »
Y.mean--there;s MORE to "Unseasonable Storm"?

Who knew that "B73" is a HYBRID OF CORN? (i MEAn that literally...)

Ok, I PMed her and got the scoop.  Yes, there is one more chapter of Unseasonable Storm coming.  Yea!

Also, more CTW is on the way.      Karen

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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2006, 05:20:45 pm »
Ok, I PMed her and got the scoop.  Yes, there is one more chapter of Unseasonable Storm coming.  Yea!

Also, more CTW is on the way.      Karen

Yeah! I can't wait, I'm loving that story!

Still haven't started Lake Geneva... but I plan to (It will be my reward for when I finally get my own chapter posted  ;) )
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2006, 05:21:15 pm »
Oh, what to say?



I don't read many fanfics and though I've read a couple of Maggie's and really liked them, I hadn't gotten around to reading this one yet - till now. I've just read through Mason Dixon in one go - couldn't tear myself away till it was done.


Wow.


That ending was...... amazing. Heart-squeezing. So terribly sad, so tragic, but still so very lyrical. Full of grace, and hope - and love. Here, Ennis actually did get around to telling Jack to his face that he loved him before it was too late - unlike in canon. The idea of the two souls winging away, free, together, - it's very moving.

And all of it so skilfully written, the emotions coming through; the poetry of their meetings, the imagery of the city in the clouds where the birds go......... - and it's so visual! I could see that ending scene in the middle of crazy battle clearly before my inner eye, and it's breathtaking - both the horror and the beauty.

Sigh.

I loved it, but now I'm in *such* a melancholy mood.  :'(

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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2006, 08:43:43 pm »
I'm so so glad you've found Mason Dixon! If you liked it you should definitely check out some of Maggie's other stories. As far as I'm concerned, she is one of the most unique and gifted voices in this fandom and while I love Mason Dixon it only gets better from there where her stories are concerned. I'd recommend checking out Lake Geneva, Union Pacific/Signal Crossing/Catch the Westbound and her newest del Mar Painting is also brilliant. I seriously cannot gush enough when it comes to Maggie's work  ::)
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2006, 04:23:39 am »
I'm so so glad you've found Mason Dixon! If you liked it you should definitely check out some of Maggie's other stories. As far as I'm concerned, she is one of the most unique and gifted voices in this fandom and while I love Mason Dixon it only gets better from there where her stories are concerned. I'd recommend checking out Lake Geneva, Union Pacific/Signal Crossing/Catch the Westbound and her newest del Mar Painting is also brilliant. I seriously cannot gush enough when it comes to Maggie's work  ::)

I am completely and totally in love with Del Mar Painting, I literally squeee when I see a new chapter come up. It's so unique, so so funny ~ her paint colours are brilliant! LOLLOL and the dialogue is like nothing else! ~ and so utterly sweet, I'm so overwhelmed after reading one of her chapters. Her mumblin/ serious/ solid and 'totally in love with Jack' Ennis is beyond sweet and her braggin/arrogant/grinning/playful/smart and 'totally in love with Ennis' Jack is so adorable. God, I love them both so much. So grateful to Helen for telling me to read!
I still have to get started on her other stuff, I've been told time and time again to get started on that too but I'm a bit hesitant cause it's all so sad. Is all the stuff you mentioned sad, Mandy?

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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2006, 01:40:48 pm »
Yeah, June the stuff I mentioned is mostly sad, but it's a little easier to read because of her whole theory of Ennis and Jack as two souls eternally connected so even in the sadness you get the sense that it isn't over for them. Especially if you keep reading her stories because every one is like a new chance for them. And they are so beautiful that it's worth the sad.

Lake Geneva might be a good place for you to start, there is some sad during the story but it ends happily. The Union Pacific/Signal Crossing/Catch the Westbound might rip your heart out, especially if you read the very last addition "Boxcar" but it's my favorite of all of Maggie's.

Portrait of a Farmer/Unseasonable Storm ends happily so far (though I don't think it's complete...)
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2006, 06:26:05 pm »
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The Union Pacific/Signal Crossing/Catch the Westbound might rip your heart out, especially if you read the very last addition "Boxcar" but it's my favorite of all of Maggie's.

I've been reading these fics - up to and including "Boxcar" -  over the last few days. I'm very glad I did. Maggie's got a true gift of love and understanding for J&E that she's sharing with us.

Yes, the fic and that ending pretty much *did* rip my heart out - and I recognized the feeling - it was very similar to what I felt walking out of the cinema after having watched BBM those first few times. That's the highest praise I can give a BBM fic, I think. Though it hurt I wouldn't have wanted to miss that feeling for the world.

I've gotten some grief in the past over reading fanfic - some are of the opinion that it's disrespectful, not worthy  of Annie Proulx nor of the original short story and film to either write or read fics - but fics like Union Pacific remind me very strongly why I disagree with such statements.

I very warmly recommend Union Pacific/Signal Crossing/Taking the Westbound, despite all the immense sadness and grief they contain. They also contain so much J&E joy and love, and the ending is........ well, "perfect" surely is the wrong word under the circumstances, but I feel like using it. I can't see how this could have ended any other way. There's so much compassion and beauty in that ending. And it has *all* been written with a tremenduous amount of heart, understanding of and insight into the human condition, -and  respect.

I also thought the many references to the original Jack and Ennis, and the fic characters' pilgrimage to Wyoming and to Brokeback Mountain, and not least  the reason all of that was included in the fic, worked like magic on my mind. The same goes for the consistent and effective use of the imagery and symbolism of the trains. Once she explained what "Taking the westbound" was an euphemism for, I read on with dread in my heart, but I just didn't even consider *not* reading.

I truly do feel that my BBM experience has been enriched by reading these fics.

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2006, 08:23:19 pm »

I truly do feel that my BBM experience has been enriched by reading these fics.


I wholeheartedly agree. Maggie is a truly wonderful talent.

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2006, 09:41:55 pm »
I agree with everything you said, Mikaela. I have nothing to add, I just wanted to say that  :-*
‘cause the truth is, I already give him everythin’ I got to give, more than I ever even knew I had; ‘n it all for him, all of it, him who is my brother, my father, my child, my friend, my lover, my heart, my soul; my Ennis.

-- del Mar Painting, Ch. 48 by b73

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2006, 03:33:17 pm »
Thank you!

We really do need a smiling-through-tears smiley for Maggies wonderful fics.......

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Re: Mason Dixon, by B73
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2006, 05:32:06 pm »
I remember seeing this link somewhere and I saved it:

http://b73.livejournal.com/52443.html?#cutid1

It has all her story links on one page...

I have only read Mason Dixon and Lake Geneva until now... enough for me for the time being, but I will make sure to check out the rest as soon as I feel ready...