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Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« on: July 23, 2011, 12:50:30 pm »
Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat

Amy Winehouse has been found dead at her home in London, it has been reported.

The Back To Black singer was apparently found at 4pm and her death is believed to be unexplained.

Winehouse had been seen with her goddaughter Dionne Bromfield earlier this week as the teenager took to the stage at the iTunes festival

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Found-dead-London-flat.html#ixzz1SwpngrQi


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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 01:14:01 pm »
Beat me to it.

Sad, just...wow.  She had everything...and so young.  :(

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 01:27:06 pm »
Just saw the headline on AOL news.

What a shame.  :(
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 03:34:14 pm »
what a news day. Death everywhere today.

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 03:57:31 pm »
She joins the "27 Club" -- the list of famous rock musicians who died at age 27. They include Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Brian Jones and Kurt Cobain.

The Wikipedia entry also lists bluesman Robert Johnson and a lot of lesser-known musicians who died at that same age.

Kurt Cobain, who of course committed suicide, apparently used to talk when he was a kid about joining the club.

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 04:40:38 pm »
Very sad but not particularly surprising when you think about it

Feel sorry for her Dad, he's quite well known in the UK for being a a happy chappy taxi driver and loving his kid despite her problems and doing her best to get her off the drugs..

Hope Amy Winehouse's goddaughter takes over her crown.. another beautiful voice.

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 05:56:16 pm »
She joins the "27 Club" -- the list of famous rock musicians who died at age 27. They include Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Brian Jones and Kurt Cobain.

The Wikipedia entry also lists bluesman Robert Johnson and a lot of lesser-known musicians who died at that same age.

Kurt Cobain, who of course committed suicide, apparently used to talk when he was a kid about joining the club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club




My daughter was talking about the 27 club earlier today.  She's mentioned it in the past, as she is a big fan of all those talents who were taken from us much too young. 

Poor Amy!  She was so gifted!  I first learned of her passing while driving and listening to her "cover" of Grover Washington Jr's "Mr. Magic" on the radio.  Then the DJ announced that she was found dead this morning!  Sad news.  My Maria is really hurt!  She is a fan, as am I!

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 06:51:19 pm »
Guess we should have seen this coming, but it's still sad, sad news to see someone with so much untapped genius die at such an incredibly young age.  I wonder what she thought it would accomplish, and who would mourn the most.  Very sad...
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 07:25:22 pm »
Guess we should have seen this coming, but it's still sad, sad news to see someone with so much untapped genius die at such an incredibly young age.  I wonder what she thought it would accomplish, and who would mourn the most.  Very sad...

I don't think she knew what she was doing.. it will have just been one more hit of a drug for her.. but this time the russian roulette she played with drugs hit the bullet chamber.

Sad  :-\
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 07:33:34 pm »
Have they actually come out and say it was the drugs?

It's a logical assumption I guess, but didn't she also have other issues?  I remember reading something about emphysema and anorexia. 

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 09:58:22 pm »
Have they actually come out and say it was the drugs?

It's a logical assumption I guess, but didn't she also have other issues?  I remember reading something about emphysema and anorexia. 

a journalist tweeted that she died of a drug overdose.  I dont' think there was any official statement on cause of death as yet.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 11:31:21 pm »
Well I guess she set herself on the road to destruction, and now she has succeeded.

But, no matter the cause of death, it is far too sad for someone so young and talented to pass away.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 06:48:50 am »
No, there has been no postmortem results announced as yet...
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 01:39:45 pm »
Anorexia, which can screw up your heart function by screwing up your blood chemistry, combined with use of illegal drugs, sounds to me like a disaster waiting to happen.

Even if the woman's life was a train wreck, this is still sad. Sheesh, 27. ...
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 06:47:10 pm »
I saw a TV news story that claimed she had decided a few years that rehab was not for her. So I don't know how hard she actually tried to get off the drugs.

I know from first-hand experience that addiction is a manageable disease. So is diabetes. And if you don't take your insulin properly, you're not managing your disease. Same goes for rehab. Winehouse had a responsibility (and lots of opportunity) to manage her addiction. She had a responsibility to do so. She chose not to. Now she's dead.

Some people would call that a form of suicide. Tragic. And avoidable.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2011, 10:29:28 pm »
I saw a TV news story that claimed she had decided a few years that rehab was not for her. So I don't know how hard she actually tried to get off the drugs.

I know from first-hand experience that addiction is a manageable disease. So is diabetes. And if you don't take your insulin properly, you're not managing your disease. Same goes for rehab. Winehouse had a responsibility (and lots of opportunity) to manage her addiction. She had a responsibility to do so. She chose not to. Now she's dead.

Some people would call that a form of suicide. Tragic. And avoidable.

What kind of rehab did she go to?  Whatever system they used might have turned her off.  I know a great many agnostic/atheists are turned off by the 12-step program because it alludes a great deal to a divine power and basically has no scientific basis.

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2011, 12:39:51 am »
I saw a TV news story that claimed she had decided a few years that rehab was not for her. So I don't know how hard she actually tried to get off the drugs.

I know from first-hand experience that addiction is a manageable disease. So is diabetes. And if you don't take your insulin properly, you're not managing your disease. Same goes for rehab. Winehouse had a responsibility (and lots of opportunity) to manage her addiction. She had a responsibility to do so. She chose not to. Now she's dead.

Some people would call that a form of suicide. Tragic. And avoidable.

You may have firsthand experience, but it sounds like you are lacking some basic information. I have no idea whether, or to what extent, Amy Winehouse actually got treatment for her chemical problems, but rehab is no panacea.

The success rate of rehab programs is extremely low. I've heard the figure 20 percent bandied about -- as in, 20 percent of people who go through rehab programs succeed in permanently kicking their addiction. I think the success rate for diabetes treatment is considerably higher. Drug use may seem like a choice that people make, but addiction is not about people being lazy or undisciplined or making a "choice" not to quit using.

If you or someone you know has made their addictions "manageable" through rehab, good for you or them. I know people who've been successful, too. But I also know people who haven't. If rehab doesn't work 80 percent of the time, it doesn't mean 80 percent of the people who go through it "choose" not to manage their disease. It means the treatment usually isn't effective.

Here's a NYT story on the subject:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/health/23reha.html

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Yet very few rehabilitation programs have the evidence to show that they are effective. The resort-and-spa private clinics generally do not allow outside researchers to verify their published success rates. The publicly supported programs spend their scarce resources on patient care, not costly studies.

And the field has no standard guidelines. Each program has its own philosophy; so, for that matter, do individual counselors. No one knows which approach is best for which patient, because these programs rarely if ever track clients closely after they graduate. Even Alcoholics Anonymous, the best known of all the substance-abuse programs, does not publish data on its participants’ success rate.

 


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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2011, 04:32:58 am »
Well, you've all heard her 2006 song Rehab right?

(They tried to make me go to rehab and I said No No No)

All her songs were autobiographical so certainly when it was written she was not a lover of rehab and while I believe she did do some stints in rehab - the most recent one after her Belgrade gig last month when she was stumbling across the stage pretty much unable to sing - it's always been widely reported she didn't take it too seriously. As soon as she got out of rehab she'd surround herself with the same old crowd again. Also, they don't seem to have been for very long - 2 weeks here, a week there.

I know addiction is a hard thing to kick, but she had a very very tight knit family, and her Mum and Dad particulalry (to whom she was extremely close) were always always trying to help her. She had all the money in the world to get herself clean, but still to no avail.

An interesting piecce on her here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/24/amy-winehouse-a-losing-game


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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2011, 08:47:05 am »
As soon as she got out of rehab she'd surround herself with the same old crowd again. Also, they don't seem to have been for very long - 2 weeks here, a week there.

In the case of an alcoholic that would almost just be like "drying out" in order to start drinking again.

I saw a picture in the paper this morning of her hugging her mother when she received one of her Grammy awards. Right now I'm feeling so sad for her parents.  :(
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2011, 09:21:48 am »
Well, you've all heard her 2006 song Rehab right?

(They tried to make me go to rehab and I said No No No)

All her songs were autobiographical so certainly when it was written she was not a lover of rehab and while I believe she did do some stints in rehab - the most recent one after her Belgrade gig last month when she was stumbling across the stage pretty much unable to sing - it's always been widely reported she didn't take it too seriously. As soon as she got out of rehab she'd surround herself with the same old crowd again. Also, they don't seem to have been for very long - 2 weeks here, a week there.

I know addiction is a hard thing to kick, but she had a very very tight knit family, and her Mum and Dad particulalry (to whom she was extremely close) were always always trying to help her. She had all the money in the world to get herself clean, but still to no avail.

Yeah, I know that song. So as I said, I don't know Amy Winehouse's specific history when it comes to rehab. My point was more general -- rehab isn't just occasionally ineffective, it's ineffective MOST of the time. This was in response to Milo's comment comparing addiction management to diabetes management. It's a lot easier to take insulin than it is to get off drugs.

And as far as I know, a loving family and a lot of money don't necessarily make the difference. Addiction is about brain chemicals.

But of course, it can be done. I don't know why some people succeed and some don't. Like weight loss, it's probably not merely a matter of will power, but maybe it is; I don't know for sure. Obviously they need to do a lot more research.


I saw a picture in the paper this morning of her hugging her mother when she received one of her Grammy awards. Right now I'm feeling so sad for her parents.  :(

Me too.  :(



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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2011, 09:43:00 am »
The BBC has noted her stints in rehab here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14273953

Apparently her Dad visited her home this moring and talked to some fans outside as well as the press.

It's a lot easier to take insulin than it is to get off drugs.

Agreed 100%

In the case of an alcoholic that would almost just be like "drying out" in order to start drinking again.

She was also known for going on massive benders too... so its quite likely she was also an alcoholic. In fact some of the press are suggetsing thats what killed her. A seizure after drinking too much on Friday night/ Saturday morning. 

She certainly seemed to have an addictive personality. Drugs, drink and her 'soulmate' Blake, who also was a drug addict. The UK press nicknamed them the modern day Sid and Nancy.

Anyway, let hope she's finally at peace, wherever she is now.  :-\



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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2011, 10:52:31 am »
Anyway, let hope she's finally at peace, wherever she is now.  :-\

And she's left a fine legacy in her music.
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2011, 10:58:05 am »
You may have firsthand experience, but it sounds like you are lacking some basic information. I have no idea whether, or to what extent, Amy Winehouse actually got treatment for her chemical problems, but rehab is no panacea.

The only basic information I'm missing is on Amy's specific case. I do not know what rehab methods she has tried, or how they operate.

Many rehabs here in the US do a 28-30 day in-patient program. And you're right the rehab program alone is not usually enough. The last program I went through required us to get a sponsor, and to go to AA/NA meetings as often as possible. The sponsor and the meetings serve to make the rehab experience stick.

If you or someone you know has made their addictions "manageable" through rehab, good for you or them. I know people who've been successful, too. But I also know people who haven't. If rehab doesn't work 80 percent of the time, it doesn't mean 80 percent of the people who go through it "choose" not to manage their disease. It means the treatment usually isn't effective.

Your NYT article is correct, most treatment centers don't publish efficacy rates. Part of that has to do with the fact that it is difficult to follow an addict's progress once they leave the treatment center's doors. Having said that, the leader of my last program said that the combination of rehab and 12-stepping was the most successful, and had an 80% success rate.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2011, 11:16:07 am »
Yeah, I know that song. So as I said, I don't know Amy Winehouse's specific history when it comes to rehab. My point was more general -- rehab isn't just occasionally ineffective, it's ineffective MOST of the time. This was in response to Milo's comment comparing addiction management to diabetes management. It's a lot easier to take insulin than it is to get off drugs.

While I disagree with your assessment of the efficacy of rehab, the point is that it is available. And I wasn't comparing taking insulin to getting off drugs, I was comparing taking insulin to working a program. In both cases, the disease is persistent, yet its activity is controlled. Diabetics need insulin, addicts need meetings.

And as far as I know, a loving family and a lot of money don't necessarily make the difference.

Having a loved ones around who are willing to keep you in line (e.g., make sure you're going to meetings), and to support you (e.g., calls your sponsor if you wake up in the middle of the night with and intense bout of cravings) does make a difference compared to "loved" ones who won't bother to do either. Money? Having money made it possible to continue therapy after the 30-days my insurance would cover.

But just throwing money at the problem won't fix it. Neither will all the love in the world if your loved ones don't know what to do for you.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2011, 11:53:23 am »
She seemed to me to be saying from the get go (or at least from the Rehab song) that this was her course and she was going to follow it to its conclusion. At what level in consciousness she may have decided on this I don't know. But from that day in 2007 when I fist heard it I knew this is what was going to happen.
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2011, 02:14:06 pm »
Many rehabs here in the US do a 28-30 day in-patient program. And you're right the rehab program alone is not usually enough. The last program I went through required us to get a sponsor, and to go to AA/NA meetings as often as possible. The sponsor and the meetings serve to make the rehab experience stick.

Your NYT article is correct, most treatment centers don't publish efficacy rates. Part of that has to do with the fact that it is difficult to follow an addict's progress once they leave the treatment center's doors. Having said that, the leader of my last program said that the combination of rehab and 12-stepping was the most successful, and had an 80% success rate.

Over what time period?

I guess I can't comment on what your leader might have told you, except to note that he's not exactly a neutral source. Here's another paragraph from the NYT, referring to all forms of treatment:

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About 25% of people are continuously abstinent following treatment, and another 10% use alcohol moderately and without problems. Relapse is common and intensive and prolonged treatment is important for successful recovery, whether the patient is treated within or outside a treatment center.



While I disagree with your assessment of the efficacy of rehab, the point is that it is available. And I wasn't comparing taking insulin to getting off drugs, I was comparing taking insulin to working a program. In both cases, the disease is persistent, yet its activity is controlled. Diabetics need insulin, addicts need meetings.

Having a loved ones around who are willing to keep you in line (e.g., make sure you're going to meetings), and to support you (e.g., calls your sponsor if you wake up in the middle of the night with and intense bout of cravings) does make a difference compared to "loved" ones who won't bother to do either. Money? Having money made it possible to continue therapy after the 30-days my insurance would cover.

But just throwing money at the problem won't fix it. Neither will all the love in the world if your loved ones don't know what to do for you.

Good point. I meant those factors aren't a guarantee, but I'm sure they do help.


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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2011, 04:05:11 pm »
"About 25% of people are continuously abstinent following treatment"

It sounds like they're talking about the formal rehab period only. That's why sponsors and meetings are so important. I believe that's the sum of what my guy meant, and why they stressed the additional components so strongly.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2011, 04:12:09 pm »
I don´t give much credit to the saying "mind over matter" simply because mind and matter pretty much is the same thing. I think people generally need more than strong will to get over an addiction.
So the way I see it, Amy Winehouse´s death is just as tragic as people dying of any other cause.

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2011, 04:52:58 pm »
So the way I see it, Amy Winehouse´s death is just as tragic as people dying of any other cause.

Of course!

Even if it were her "fault" for not going to rehab, it would be just as tragic, because not wanting to go to rehab is part of the disease.



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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2011, 04:31:32 pm »
A tribute by Russell Brand:

http://www.russellbrand.tv/2011/07/for-amy/

For Amy
July 24th, 2011


When you love someone who suffers from the disease of addiction you await the phone call. There will be a phone call. The sincere hope is that the call will be from the addict themselves, telling you they’ve had enough, that they’re ready to stop, ready to try something new. Of course though, you fear the other call, the sad nocturnal chime from a friend or relative telling you it’s too late, she’s gone.

Frustratingly it’s not a call you can ever make it must be received. It is impossible to intervene.

I’ve known Amy Winehouse for years. When I first met her around Camden she was just some twit in a pink satin jacket shuffling round bars with mutual friends, most of whom were in cool Indie bands or peripheral Camden figures Withnail-ing their way through life on impotent charisma. Carl Barrat told me that “Winehouse” (which I usually called her and got a kick out of cos it’s kind of funny to call a girl by her surname) was a jazz singer, which struck me as a bizarrely anomalous in that crowd. To me with my limited musical knowledge this information placed Amy beyond an invisible boundary of relevance; “Jazz singer? She must be some kind of eccentric” I thought. I chatted to her anyway though, she was after all, a girl, and she was sweet and peculiar but most of all vulnerable.

I was myself at that time barely out of rehab and was thirstily seeking less complicated women so I barely reflected on the now glaringly obvious fact that Winehouse and I shared an affliction, the disease of addiction. All addicts, regardless of the substance or their social status share a consistent and obvious symptom; they’re not quite present when you talk to them. They communicate to you through a barely discernible but un-ignorable veil. Whether a homeless smack head troubling you for 50p for a cup of tea or a coked-up, pinstriped exec foaming off about his “speedboat” there is a toxic aura that prevents connection. They have about them the air of elsewhere, that they’re looking through you to somewhere else they’d rather be. And of course they are. The priority of any addict is to anaesthetise the pain of living to ease the passage of the day with some purchased relief.

From time to time I’d bump into Amy she had good banter so we could chat a bit and have a laugh, she was “a character” but that world was riddled with half cut, doped up chancers, I was one of them, even in early recovery I was kept afloat only by clinging to the bodies of strangers so Winehouse, but for her gentle quirks didn’t especially register.

Then she became massively famous and I was pleased to see her acknowledged but mostly baffled because I’d not experienced her work and this not being the 1950’s I wondered how a “jazz singer” had achieved such cultural prominence. I wasn’t curious enough to do anything so extreme as listen to her music or go to one of her gigs, I was becoming famous myself at the time and that was an all consuming experience. It was only by chance that I attended a Paul Weller gig at the Roundhouse that I ever saw her live.

I arrived late and as I made my way to the audience through the plastic smiles and plastic cups I heard the rolling, wondrous resonance of a female vocal. Entering the space I saw Amy on stage with Weller and his band; and then the awe. The awe that envelops when witnessing a genius. From her oddly dainty presence that voice, a voice that seemed not to come from her but from somewhere beyond even Billie and Ella, from the font of all greatness. A voice that was filled with such power and pain that it was at once entirely human yet laced with the divine. My ears, my mouth, my heart and mind all instantly opened. Winehouse. Winehouse? Winehouse! That twerp, all eyeliner and lager dithering up Chalk Farm Road under a back-combed barnet, the lips that I’d only seen clenching a fishwife fag and dribbling curses now a portal for this holy sound. So now I knew. She wasn’t just some hapless wannabe, yet another pissed up nit who was never gonna make it, nor was she even a ten-a-penny-chanteuse enjoying her fifteen minutes. She was a fucking genius.

Shallow fool that I am I now regarded her in a different light, the light that blazed down from heaven when she sang. That lit her up now and a new phase in our friendship began. She came on a few of my TV and radio shows, I still saw her about but now attended to her with a little more interest. Publicly though, Amy increasingly became defined by her addiction. Our media though is more interested in tragedy than talent, so the ink began to defect from praising her gift to chronicling her downfall. The destructive personal relationships, the blood soaked ballet slippers, the aborted shows, that youtube madness with the baby mice. In the public perception this ephemeral tittle-tattle replaced her timeless talent. This and her manner in our occasional meetings brought home to me the severity of her condition. Addiction is a serious disease; it will end with jail, mental institutions or death. I was 27 years old when through the friendship and help of Chip Somers of the treatment centre, Focus12 I found recovery, through Focus I was introduced to support fellowships for alcoholics and drug addicts which are very easy to find and open to anybody with a desire to stop drinking and without which I would not be alive.

Now Amy Winehouse is dead, like many others whose unnecessary deaths have been retrospectively romanticised, at 27 years old. Whether this tragedy was preventable or not is now irrelevant. It is not preventable today. We have lost a beautiful and talented woman to this disease. Not all addicts have Amy’s incredible talent. Or Kurt’s or Jimi’s or Janis’s, some people just get the affliction. All we can do is adapt the way we view this condition, not as a crime or a romantic affectation but as a disease that will kill. We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn’t even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there. All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call.


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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2011, 06:54:32 pm »
Lovely, from Brand.

But...does anyone know what demons Amy was fighting?  Her folks look like they're quite loving and cared about her.  What pain was she looking to numb?

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2011, 10:32:12 pm »
Lovely, from Brand.

But...does anyone know what demons Amy was fighting?  Her folks look like they're quite loving and cared about her.  What pain was she looking to numb?

I'm wondering about this, as well.  I've read that even truly talented famous people don't think they deserve what they have, and dread what will happen when/if they're all washed up and it all goes away.  But then, Amy seemed troubled before she made it big, so what was up with her...????

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2011, 10:45:33 pm »
I'm wondering about this, as well.  I've read that even truly talented, famous people don't think they deserve what they have, and dread what will happen when/if they're all washed up and it all goes away.  But then, Amy seemed troubled before she made it big, so what was up with her...????

According to her, she never wanted to be 'big'.  Maybe she didn't know she had a choice?  That she could just NOT take the big contracts and just play in pubs the rest of her life if she wanted to?

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2011, 10:49:49 pm »
According to her, she never wanted to be 'big'.  Maybe she didn't know she had a choice?  That she could just NOT take the big contracts and just play in pubs the rest of her life if she wanted to?

Maybe one day we will know what actually happened with her.  I love her music, and I miss her already.

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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2011, 01:26:37 pm »
Wow, that was lovely what Russell said about her and about addiction.  I'm blown away with his words.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2011, 05:58:19 pm »
Wow, that was lovely what Russell said about her and about addiction.  I'm blown away with his words.

I totally agree Mandy......words said from experience and from the heart, and hopefully will help others with these terrible addictions.
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Re: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2011, 02:42:54 pm »
Words spoken from experience certainly mean the most.  I agree, Sue, and I certainly hope people learn from this loss.
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