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Re: The Terrorist U.S.A.
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2013, 12:19:18 pm »
Obviously due process has been completely abandoned so I don't understand your question of how far it should extend.

I'll try to clarify the question.

Under which circumstances should an enemy be killed vs. captured?


On a dark humour note, did you know that the military geeks who operate the drones from a computer somewhere in the US, actually wear flight suits while at their terminals?  It's surreal.

No, I didn't know that. But I will ask about it the next time I speak to someone who works at the Willow Grove Naval Base.
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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2013, 12:26:32 pm »
I thought that grarphic spoke for itself. 

No it doesn't. There is plenty of room for a variety of interpretations.

Iran, which is being demonized, has no history of invading other states, while the USA, the self-appointed world police, has a history of illegally invading and attacking a slew of other countries. Yet somehow, Iran is the evil monster? 

Iran has historically displayed its own forms of aggression towards the West. And a definition of "illegally invading" would be helpful. Otherwise your position amounts to nothing more than anti-Americanism.
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Re: The Terrorist U.S.A.
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2013, 12:32:02 pm »
Drones are superior technology if the goal is to encourage more 9/11 type of attacks on the USA.

Here in Pennsylvania, drones are being used to track the loss of forest in areas that are under development. They are also being used to follow animals that are being analyzed by researchers who are studying their lifestyle habits and risk factors.

Drones are being used to collect intelligence in foreign countries.

Drones are being used to monitor drug traffic.

Drones are more diverse than you think.

Unfortunately you can probably look forward to more Boston style attacks thanks to your "superior technology".

Interesting theory. Are there any facts that support such an idea?
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Re: The Terrorist U.S.A.
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2013, 12:34:11 pm »
Isn't it illegal to bomb countries that you are not at war with, such as Yemmen and Pakistan and god knows where else?  

I don't know. Maybe you can cite some specific legal statutes that have been violated by such activities. That would be helpful.
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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2013, 12:39:25 pm »
Oh and btw, it's not my "own, personal, standard of what constitutes terrorism", I just agree with one of the definitions in the Encyclopedia Britannica. You make it sound like my view is on the fringe.  It may well be on the fringe in "America" but most of you are blinded by fear and paranoia.  People on the outside can clearly see the war-mongering country the US has become.  Your military-industrial complex is just itching for another war.  You invested so much in it that you have to keep them busy, that's why the "War on Terror" was designed to never end.  Don't get me wrong, I love Americans, even  (some of) the religious ones, and NYC is probably my favourite city in the world and I even love Buffalo,  I had a wonderful time there, its gay scene is probably the friendliest.  Anyway, it's your administration(s) I can't stand.

That certainly clarifies how you feel. But you have offered no clarification of your statement about the US committing "war crimes." I asked you specifically to cite laws that the US has broken, and you have offered nothing more than a description of your feelings.

How you feel is not a debatable point. It is irrelevant.
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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2013, 08:38:16 pm »
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld war criminals verdict Enforcement Phase begins
Despite 'UN corruption,' Nuremberg Charter makes Malaysian Tribunal convicting Bush and other heads of state guilty of war crimes official

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, based on the Nuremberg Charter, is proceeding to the enforcement phase after officially convicting George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and lawyers of war crimes in a packed court Friday where legal experts heard shocking testimonies of American torture inflicted by United States soldiers such as removing fingernails with pliers, electrocutions and sexual humiliation.

After eleven years of human rights defender organizations such as Veterans for Peace and United for Peace and Justice working to hold American war criminals accountable, a worldwide grassroots citizen's tribunal of conscience movement is proceeding to the Enforcement Phase after finding Bush, Cheney, Rumfeld and lawyers guilty of war crimes on May 12 in Malaysia in a court using the Nuremberg Charter, according to Press TV.

“This is the first conviction of these people anywhere in the world,” said war crimes expert and lawyer Francis Boyle, professor of international law at University of Illinois College of Law in America.

“We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany.”

Boyle referenced the Nuremberg Charter used as the format for the tribunal when asked about credibility of the initiative in Malaysia.

“Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan,” Boyle quoted.

The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle.

Boyle believes the week-long trial was “almost certainly” being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials.

What validity does this verdict have on the international community and how will the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal exercise a sentence, or is there a sentence?

“The Tribunal has recommended that the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission forward the Tribunal's verdict and judgment, and trial record and evidence to (1) the International Criminal Court (ICC) and to (2) the United Nations and Security Council for their further action,” stated Canadian human rights defender Kevin Annett.

“The Tribunal also awarded reparations to the 5 Complainant War Crimes tortured by U.S. armed forces, and suggested that there might be national courts who will enforce this order for reparations as in other cases,” Annett says.

“Now, this case, which was sustained since 2007 by a worldwide grassroots citizen's tribunal of conscience movement, proceeds to the ENFORCEMENT PHASE.


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http://www.examiner.com/article/bush-cheney-rumsfeld-war-criminals-verdict-enforcement-phase-begins
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See Complete news coverage - KUALA LUMPUR WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL: BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD & 4 LAWYERS CONVICTION AS WAR CRIMINALS - MAY 11, 2012.

1. Bush & Associates Found Guilty of Torture: http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=630404

2. VIDEO: Kuala Lumpur war tribunal finds Bush guilty of war crimes‎: http://presstv.com/detail/240721.html

3. FOREIGN POLICY JOURNAL: Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

4. Malaysian tribunal finds Bush guilty of war crimes: http://www.tehrantimes.com/world/97792-malaysian-tribunal-finds-bush-guilty-of-war-crimes/

5. Bush found guilty of war crimes: http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20120512-345498.html

6.BRUSSELLS TRIBUNAL: KL War Crimes Tribunal - 2nd War Crimes Hearing on Torture: http://www.brussellstribunal.org/KLWarCrimes2012.htm

CASE AGAINST BUSH & BLAIR (Nov. 22, 2011)

FOREIGN POLICY JOURNAL: Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal: Bush and Blair Guilty, Richard Falk, November 30, 2011: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/11/30/kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-bush-and-blair-guilty/

NEWS COVERAGE OF BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD & 4 LAWYERS CONVICTION AS WAR CRIMINALS - MAY 11, 2012: 1. Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal Commences Hearing on Bush for Crime of Torture: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsindex.php?id=664356

2. Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal: Two Victims of Torture Give Evidence: http://mathaba.net/news/?x=630381

3. Malaysia puts Bush, Cheney on ‘trial’ for war crimes: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/240079.html

4. WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL: Kuala Lumpur Iraq War Crimes Hearings, 7-12 May: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30740

5. NGO ‘tries’ Bush, former US officials for ‘war crimes: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/ngo-tries-bush-former-us-officials-for-war-crimes

6. Tribunal Hears Witness Testimony of Terrific Tortures: http://mathaba.net/news/?x=630387

7. Tribunal Hears Iraqi Woman's Harrowing Account of Torture in Abu Ghraib Prison: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v6/newsgeneral.php?id=664680

8. US troops tortured me, ex-Iraqi detainee tells tribunal: http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20120508-344455.html

KL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL UPDATES - WATCH PROCEEDINGS LIVE ONLINE AT: www.criminalisewar.org

9. War Crimes Committed under Bush's Orders, Prosecution Says: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v6/newsindex.php?id=664938

10. U.S. Army used her as a "human shield": http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/us-army-used-her-as-human-shield-1.81978

11. The United States in the dock - Part 1: http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/09-05-2012/121063-accusations_war_crimes-0/

12. Bush and Associates authorized torture: http://mathaba.net/news/?x=630392

13. War Crimes Tribunal Sets Tomorrow for Decision: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v6/newsgeneral.php?id=665281

14. VIDEO: KL War Crimes Tribunal pushes for Bush guilty verdict: http://presstv.com/detail/240414.html

15. "Flawed Opinion in Documents": http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/flawed-opinions-in-documents-1.82289

16. Prosecution: Ex-US president sanctioned torture of prisoners: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/5/10/nation/11262939&sec=nation

17. Prima Facie Legal Case Established Against Bush And Others: http://mathaba.net/news/?x=630396

18. DAY 2: KL War Tribunal Against G.W. Bush & 7 Others Hears Witness Testimonies of Horrific Tortures: http://thesantosrepublic.com/2012/05/day-2-kl-war-tribunal-against-g-w-bush-7-others-hears-witness-testimonies-of-horrific-tortures/

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Re: The Terrorist U.S.A.
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2013, 10:24:57 pm »
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld war criminals verdict Enforcement Phase begins
After eleven years of human rights defender organizations such as Veterans for Peace and United for Peace and Justice working to hold American war criminals accountable, a worldwide grassroots citizen's tribunal of conscience movement is proceeding to the Enforcement Phase after finding Bush, Cheney, Rumfeld and lawyers guilty of war crimes on May 12 in Malaysia in a court using the Nuremberg Charter, according to Press TV.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is nothing more than a Kangaroo Court with a political axe to grind. It has no power, nor does it have any legitimacy. Its "conviction" of the US is the as valid as if the Tea Party decided to "impeach" Obama.



The former United Nations Special Rappporteur on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers, Param Cumaraswamy, has suggested the tribunal is a private enterprise with no legal basis and questions its legitimacy.[12] The tribunal does not have a UN mandate or recognition, no power to order arrests or impose sentences, and it is unclear that its verdicts have any but symbolic significance.[13]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commission#Legitimacy_of_the_tribunal

But political theatre like this is certainly entertaining.
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--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.