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"The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« on: October 02, 2013, 08:02:01 pm »
"The Ballad of the Sad Young Men".

Not sure how I stumbled onto this song (was it facebook?), but it's my latest obsession. I shouldn't be so interested in such a melancholy song while it's still that beautiful time between summer and fall, but there it is, and maybe that's why ("autumn turns the leaves to gold, slowly dies the heart...").

Written by the poet Fran Landesman, with melody by Tommy Wolf, it was featured in the Broadway show "The Nervous Set", around 1959, along with a perhaps more famous song, "Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most" (which relates to T.S. Eliot's "April is the cruelest month..." from The Waste Land).

It seemed to be very popular, and was covered by many artists in the '60s and beyond.  

Listen to the words.
Are they about sad, young gay men? Many think so.  

Here are the lyrics:

Sing a song of sad young men
 Glasses full of rye
 All the news is bad again
 Kiss your dreams goodbye

All the sad young men
 Sitting in the bars
 Knowing neon lights
 And missing all the stars

All the sad young men
 Drifting through the town
 Drinking up the night
 Trying not to drown

All the sad young men
 Singing in the cold
 Trying to forget
 That they're growing old

All the sad young men
 Choking on their youth
 Trying to be brave
 Running from the truth

Autumn turns the leaves to gold
 Slowly dies the heart
 Sad young men are growing old
 That's the cruelest part

All the sad young men
 Seek a certain smile
 Someone they can hold
 For a little while

Tired little girl
 Does the best she can
 Trying to be gay
 For a sad young man

While the grimy moon
 Watches from above
 All the sad young men
 Play at making love

Misbegotten moon
 Shine for sad young men
 Let your gentle light
 Guide them home tonight
 All the sad young men



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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 08:03:53 pm »
Might as well start out with a torch-style belter, Dame Shirley Bassey, from 1979:


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL6AvSgO6Ak[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 08:07:31 pm »
Interestingly, the title may refer to F. Scott Fitzgerald's collection of stories:  "All the Sad Young Men".


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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 08:10:01 pm »
A lovely version by Roberta Flack: 

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JksP1Kc6fjo[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 08:18:25 pm »
Here is a most excellent instrumental version, with Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock and Jack DeJohnette, from 1989:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxWNB-2FltA[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 08:22:33 pm »
Here's a spare, breathy version by Fiona McBain, with just a bass:


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j6Jo_zQ25Y[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 08:25:46 pm »
Just to compare, here is "Spring Can Really Hang You up the Most", by the same songwriters (curiously, it was cut from the play), with a 19-year old Barbra Streisand:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAS8BDDV8uM[/youtube]

And a few years later, at 67:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l0EQ3Uzzb0[/youtube]
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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 08:30:52 pm »
My all-time favorite is Ella's version, one of her best:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd5VVELfWC8[/youtube]

And the lyrics:

Once I was a sentimental thing
 Threw my heart away each spring
 Now a spring romance hasn't got a chance
 Promised my first dance to winter
 All I've got to show's a splinter for my little fling

Spring this year has got me feeling
 Like a horse that never left the post
 I lie in my room staring up at the ceiling
 Spring can really hang you up the most

Morning's kiss wakes trees and flowers
 And to them I'd like to drink a toast
 I walk in the park just to kill lonely hours
 Spring can really hang you up the most

All afternoon those birds twitter twit
 I know the tune, "This is love, this is it"
 Heard it before and I know the score
 And I've decided that spring is a bore

Love seemed sure around the New Year
 Now it's April, love is just a ghost
 Spring arrived on time, only what became of you, dear?
 Spring can really hang you up the most
 Spring can really hang you up the most

Spring is here, there's no mistaking
 Robins building nests from coast to coast
 My heart tries to sing so they won't hear it breaking
 Spring can really hang you up the most

College boys are writing sonnets
 In the tender passion they're engrossed
 But I'm on the shelf with last years Easter bonnets
 Spring can really hang you up the most

Love came my way, I hope it would last
 We had our day, now that's all in the past
 Spring came along a season of song
 Full of sweet promise but something went wrong

Doctors once prescribed a tonic
 "Sulphur and molasses" was the dose
 Didn't help a bit, my condition must be chronic
 Spring can really hang you up the most

All alone, the party's over
 Old man winter was a gracious host
 But when you keep praying for snow to hide the clover
 Spring can really hang you up the most




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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 08:38:01 pm »
Gotta give equal time to Sassy:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enoPgQwy11U[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 08:45:50 pm »
Back to the sad young men.  This time with the great South African Miriam Makeba from 1967:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RdfM3tlR8[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 08:52:19 pm »
A particularly melancholy version by Norwegian jazz singer Radka Toneff in 1977:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQnVUDQvm2Y[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 09:02:24 pm »
A modern arrangement, this time sung by a man, Kurt Elling:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51hJq5fvrRI[/youtube]

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 09:12:01 pm »
"I keep saying, my words, coming out of somebody else's mouth, is [hehehe] the most erotic, sexy, pleasurable experience you can possibly imagine."

~~from "Almost a legend:  the Life and Lyrics of Fran Landesman"

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men"
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 12:56:46 am »
A lovely version by Roberta Flack: 

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JksP1Kc6fjo[/youtube]

Re Ballad of the Sad Young Men:

I bought First Take when it first came out.  This song did not pop out at me.  Now that I am older, it does.  And it is a little hard to listen to--there's not much you want to say after hearing it

Thanks for posting it.
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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 07:53:21 pm »
Never heard this before!  Thanks for sharing it!


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2013, 08:18:42 am »
Listen to the words.
Are they about sad, young gay men? Many think so.  

And many think not. Such victimization theory can be self-serving.

Not all homosexual men have the same experience.
  The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 10:00:20 am »
And many think not. Such victimization theory can be self-serving.

Not all homosexual men have the same experience.

The comments on youtube differ quite a bit:  some  believe the song is about gay men, others about returning Vietnam vets, others believe it refers to all men.  Another Rorschach test, perhaps.

I found the lyrics to be sufficiently ambiguous, so I wanted to do a little research into the context.  The show "The Nervous Set" has been described as a jazz musical, a cynical, intellectual satire about the beat generation, written in 1959.  The context of the song in the show is about a female character's reaction to "wasted lives" of the men she sees around her.  
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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 08:18:01 pm »
I never heard that song before, Paul, but I like it.

Thanks for posting it. It's nice to hear so many different versions too, they all have their own characteristics.

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 09:15:04 am »
Thank you for this posting site, southendmd.  I had never heard of the song before, and stumbled in here almost by accident.  Those lyrics!  I was sitting at my computer at 7 in the morning, crying.  You only remember when it is too late.

I checked out YouTube, and there are, indeed, many versions available.  The best is Roberta Flack's--simply done, instrumentals restrained, and the emphasis on the words, as it should be.  Another version to try is Renato Russo's, performed at the Stonewall Celebration.  You know who he is singing to, and who he is singing about.

I hope you were not hurt by the one negative posting to this site.  Our experiences do vary widely, but this song captures a certain reality and regret in many of us.  Thanks again.
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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2013, 09:27:48 am »
You're very welcome, x-man. 

No, I was not hurt in the least. 

It's my belief that works of art, either this song, or our beloved BBM, belong to the world, and can be interpreted by the beholder in any way they desire. 

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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2013, 11:03:53 am »
The show "The Nervous Set" has been described as a jazz musical, a cynical, intellectual satire about the beat generation, written in 1959.  The context of the song in the show is about a female character's reaction to "wasted lives" of the men she sees around her.  

Thank you. Knowing how the song was originally set helps to understand its meaning.
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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2013, 09:09:14 am »
[quote author=southendmd link=topic=50908.msg651706#msg651706 date=1382362068 
It's my belief that works of art, either this song, or our beloved BBM, belong to the world, and can be interpreted by the beholder in any way they desire.  [/quote]

Whatever the intentions of the composer or author, we are legitimately able to look beyond the original setting for a work of literature.  Literature in general derives its meaning from that fact.  Must He Was a Friend of Mine be read only in its original context?  If so, all the audiences in all the theatres who saw BBM were quite wrong in hearing an Ennis telling about a dead cowboy in Texas.

The truth is that Ballad of the Sad Young Men speaks to a lot of gay men who remember the times in their lives when they were most alone, most vulnerable, and most looking for connection.  Like many others, I think of those times in bars, when Last Call was approaching, and you realize you are still alone, still desperate, knowing that if you don't soon find a Friend, you are again destined to go home alone, or to look for what you need in some darker more dangerous place.  And you do need, and you do look.  If you have never experienced that you are either very lucky, or you have closed yourself off, and never risked exposing your heart to anguish.  If the latter is the case, you may have saved yourself some pain in the short run, but it will catch up with you eventually, when you look back at what you have missed.
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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2014, 04:27:33 pm »
Here is Fran's obit from the NY Times:

Fran Landesman, Lyricist With a Bittersweet Edge, Dies at 83
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: August 1, 2011

Fran Landesman made her life into an art form — not least because of the exuberantly public extramarital sex life she delighted in sharing with London tabloids. But her lasting footprint was the mordant, biting, yet strangely tender lyrics she used to chronicle the world’s lovers, lunatics and losers.

Her song “The Ballad of the Sad Young Men” — whom she described as “drifting through the town, drinking up the night, trying not to drown” — was recorded by Roberta Flack, Petula Clark, Rickie Lee Jones and, in an instrumental version, the pianist Keith Jarrett. With music by Tommy Wolf, it became a jazz standard.

Another song she wrote that became a standard — but, like “Sad Young Men,” never a hit — was “Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most.” It sprang from Ms. Landesman’s asking jazz musicians to put T. S. Eliot’s phrase “April is the cruelest month” into their own words. Its music was also composed by Wolf. Bette Midler and Sarah Vaughan were among the many who sang it.

Ms. Landesman also published five volumes of poetry, some of it raw. The poem Bette Davis memorized, “Life’s a Bitch” contains the line “First love makes you itch, then it dishes you the dirt.”

Ms. Landesman died on July 23 at her home in London at 83. Her death was announced on her official Web site. She left an epitaph, something she said on more than one occasion: “It was a good life, but it wasn’t commercial.”

Frances Deitsch was born in Manhattan on Oct. 21, 1927, attended Temple University and the Fashion Institute of Technology, and fell in with the group that came to be called the Beat generation. She thought Kerouac was “the best-looking man I’ve ever seen,” and the feeling seemed mutual. He and Allen Ginsberg serenaded her with bongos. “Be my girlfriend, I’m so lonely,” Kerouac pleaded.

But she ended up marrying Jay Landesman, who published Neurotica, a magazine that gave the Beats a platform while seeking to explore America’s “inner darkness.” “He’ll make a good first husband,” she decided.

They were wed for 61 years; Mr. Landesman died at 91 in February. They had a remarkably open marriage in which each brought partners home to sleep in separate bedrooms. Everyone then had breakfast together. Their teenage sons, Cosmo and Miles, were appalled.

In his 2008 book, “Starstruck: Fame, Failure, My Family and Me,” Cosmo Landesman wrote: “The thing that upset me the most was their dress and appearance. I can remember when I thought of having them committed to the Institute for the Criminally Dressed. It was parents’ day at school. They arrived looking like two hippies who had failed the audition for the musical ‘Hair.’ ”

Soon after marrying, the couple moved to Mr. Landesman’s native St. Louis and started a nightclub that became one of the hippest in the Midwest. Called the Crystal Palace, it booked performers like Woody Allen, Barbra Streisand and Lenny Bruce — who, she liked to recall, once urged her to leave her husband and run off with him: “Let’s you and me go on the road and send him a little money every month.”

The Landesmans collaborated with Wolf on a musical called “The Nervous Set” as a vehicle for Ms. Landesman’s lyrics. It was a smash in St. Louis, then flopped on Broadway. They moved to London, where Ms. Landesman continued her career as a lyricist, singer and poet. (Mr. Landesman wrote, founded a publishing company and managed the career of a kung fu stripper.)

Since the mid-1990s, Ms. Landesman, who is survived by her sons, collaborated with the composer and pianist Simon Wallace on some 300 songs and kept performing.

Last March, the singer Shepley Metcalf performed Ms. Landesman’s songs in Manhattan. The New York Times critic Stephen Holden likened the lyricist to “a cranky, jazz-steeped Beat Generation Dorothy Parker.”

He continued, “In those days of hanging out in bars into the wee small hours, dragging home strangers whom you can’t remember the next morning and generally acting in the name of hip, dissipation was a competitive urban sport and Ms. Landesman one of its champion chroniclers.”

But she long ago gave up the sport herself. “When you reach 60 — forget it,” she said in 1998. “I think it’s unattractive after that.”


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Re: "The Ballad of the Sad Young Men" by Fran Landesman
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2014, 08:19:55 am »
fascinating Obit, she sounds like a very unique person.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!