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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1560 on: January 15, 2010, 01:37:31 pm »


Yes, Blue is the new Sexy (and the new Green)

(I can't even imagine conservatives hating it, but they probably will.   ;))



Update: They do.


http://www.slate.com/id/2241542/

James Cameron Hates America
The conservative attack on Avatar.
By Tom Shone

Posted Thursday, Jan. 14, 2010, at 1:46 PM ET


Zoe Saldana as Neytiri in Avatar


James Cameron's Avatar  has been greeted on the right with the kind of immediate snarling antagonism reserved for Oliver Stone pics. In an article titled "Cameron's 'Avatar' Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy," Big Hollywood's John Nolte called it "Deathwish 5 for leftists." No less an authority than MovieGuide, "the family guide to Christian movie reviews," awarded the movie "four Marxes and an Obama" for its "abhorrent New Age, pagan, anti-capitalist worldview that promotes Goddess worship and the destruction of the human race"—an unfortunate formulation that also happens to clip most of my favorite Disney movies. Drudge has been providing a daily drip-feed of joy-killing stories: "Vatican says no masterpiece," "Audiences experience Avatar  blues; depression and suicidal thoughts. ..." In the words of one right-wing blogger: "This is cinema for the Hate America crowd."

Once you've gotten over your shock at seeing James Cameron pilloried as a typical Hollywood liberal—dude wrote Rambo  for heaven's sake!—the first response to this is: What took them so long? Ever since George Lucas revealed that the real model for his evil empire in the Star Wars  movies was not Britain but America, it has been common practice for the makers of summer blockbusters to encode cryptic commentary of American foreign policy into their car chases and fireballs. Last year, The Dark Knight  descended into a probing disquisition on the efficacy of torture. This summer, the makers of Star Trek  conducted an equally spirited back-and-forth on the merits of diplomacy versus the phasers when dealing with obstreperous Romulans.

None of those movies made a billion dollars in 21 days, however. Not only is this criticism of Avatar  the first time the right has dipped its toe into the phosphorescent waters of allegorical science fiction, but it's also the first time it has mobilized a hate-a-thon against a movie that stands to become the most profitable of all time. Normally when right-wingers come gunning for a movie, it's meek, well-intentioned granola like Lions for Lambs, Rendition, or Good Night, and Good Luck—movies that can only perform a single one-armed push-up before collapsing facedown into the mud. When Michael Medved published his snit-fit broadside against Hollywood liberals, Hollywood Versus America, in 1993, he reserved the full force of his fury for such muscular Trotskyist tracts as Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ, Total Recall,  and The Prince of Tides,  thus proving that when it comes to threatening the very fabric of democracy, the only thing that rivals heretical sex and bone-cracking violence is a picture about therapy with Barbra Streisand. Or maybe I am misinterpreting Medved's thesis. Maybe it was just: Barbra Streisand!

A blockbuster like Terminator 2: Judgment Day,  on the other hand, Medved wisely body-swerved, since it would have scrambled his narrative: Liberal elites have forgotten how to make good old-fashioned movies for real America. Cameron's Avatar  therefore puts the right in a bind. Having for years cited the failure of movies like In the Valley of Elah  and Lions for Lambs  as proof that Hollywood is too liberal-elitist to connect with the real America, they're now turning on a movie that has done just that. Writing in the London Daily Telegraph,  Nile Gardner professed himself astonished by "the roars of approval which greeted the on-screen killing of US military personnel." They "were a shock to the system, especially at a time when the United States is engaged in a major war in Afghanistan. ..." He concludes that Avatar  is "one of the most left-wing films in the history of modern American cinema, and perhaps the most commercially successful political movie of our time."

The last time I looked, American cinema-goers were not well-disposed to reward pictures offering them a sprightly mixture of ecological censure and high treason. And, indeed, those killed Marines are no such thing, but members of a Blackwater-style mercenary operation. Audiences are not stupid. Neither is Cameron. Yes, he included a bunch of tone-deaf references to the Iraq war in his movie—"shock and awe," "fighting terror with terror," and so on, every one of which succeeds magnificently in yanking you out of the immersive spectacle as surely as a kick to the shins. But any desire to push the Avatar-is-liberal-propaganda argument further must be met by a principled push-back against the incursion of so grindingly and narrowly ideological a focus into so mercurial and prismatic a medium as motion pictures. In other words: It's about a bunch of blue people.

Seriously. I haven't seen this kind of wild mangling of pop culture since the heyday of cultural studies, when you couldn't cross a campus without accidentally wandering into seminars attended by four people titled "Totally Recalling Arnold: Sex and Violence in the New Bad Future." But then James Cameron was always going to be a tough nut to crack. His politics are an intriguing salad: dove-ish bromides strapped into the titanium exoskeleton of a hawk. Or as Colonel Quaritch says in Avatar,  "A Marine inside a Na'vi body. That's a potent mix." It is, especially for a medium as fluid as cinema, which quickly bores of people in perfect agreement with themselves. Remember that Cameron was born in Canada in 1954, which means that he spent his formative teenage years—the years he was getting into guns and trucks and girls—watching the giant that lived next door receive the beating of its life in Vietnam. It left him with an almost forensic fascination for "how the mighty fall," his enduring theme as a filmmaker, from The Terminator  through to Titanic.

Think of the Marines in Aliens,  whooping it up in the drop ship as they load their gun clips, only to find that their superior firepower is useless on LV426 for fear of triggering the plant's nuclear core. Their armor hissing with alien acid, they cannot ditch it fast enough. The film is a study in military hubris. Cameron may have beefed about what happened to his Rambo  script—"The action was mine, the politics Stallone's," he would later complain—but he needn't have worried: He'd already shot his Vietnam picture. Or think of the enemy he devised in Terminator 2: Judgment Day.  Almost any other director would have come up with a Terminator that was bigger than Arnold—heftier, more hi-tech—but Cameron tacked the other way, devising a slim, sinuous shape-shifter, a Porsche to Arnie's Panzer tank. What makes T2  such eerie viewing now is seeing how accurately it foreshadows the very real threat America would face on 9/11, a cellular, hydra-headed demon who absorbs every punch, its molecules scattering before regrouping again, deploying the sheer might of its attackers against them.

Cameron has an uncanny feel for asymmetrical fights: It's what gives his films such a vicelike grip on the national unconscious and makes him a useful filmmaker to have around right now. If I were on the right, I'd be celebrating the director for his keen-eyed, conservative critique of Wilsonian foreign adventurism. Yes, it's regrettable that the pivot point of the final battle hinges on the incursion of a deity, no less, but I also learned some interesting stuff about how to subdue any huge flame-colored dragons I see flying around the skies: You attack from above, where he least expects it. "Tarouk is the biggest, baddest boy in the sky," Jake Sully informs us. "He never gets attacked." With yet another airplane bomber in American custody, it would seem we cannot get enough of that lesson.
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1561 on: January 15, 2010, 01:49:01 pm »
You have at least some company, Paul. I was so put off by all the hype and mania over Titanic that to this day I dislike it without ever even having seen it.

Of course, I also have a visceral dislike of Leonardo diCaprio, so. ...

I'd love to see Titanic in 3D IMAX!


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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1562 on: January 15, 2010, 02:12:45 pm »
You have at least some company, Paul.
I was so put off by all the hype and mania over Titanic that to this day I dislike it without ever even having seen it.

I know one or two people who felt this way about BBM when it came out.  And yeah, I still can't get them to watch the movie.


I'd love to see Titanic in 3D IMAX!


Ditto.  I'm gonna go see Avatar in  IMAX 3D tomorrow! :)


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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1563 on: January 15, 2010, 02:29:16 pm »
I know one or two people who felt this way about BBM when it came out.  And yeah, I still can't get them to watch the movie.

Of course, if Leonardo DiCaprio had been in Brokeback Mountain, I probably wouldn't have seen it, either!  :laugh:
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1564 on: January 15, 2010, 10:42:15 pm »
Of course, if Leonardo DiCaprio had been in Brokeback Mountain, I probably wouldn't have seen it, either!  :laugh:

I usually like Leo diC, but I go up and down. He was sooo amazing in What's Eating Gilberg Grape, the first thing I ever saw him in, that I became fascinated. Then, after Titanic, I got kind of sick of him. And he was not that great in Gangs of New York -- way upstaged by Daniel Day Lewis, but then who wouldn't be? -- and only just OK in Catch Me if you Can and The Aviator. But Leo was back to his old good form in Blood Diamond and The Departed, so I liked him again. In The Departed, especially -- I found him more riveting than Jack Nicholson or even Matt Damon. But then came Revolutionary Road -- meh; it's Mad Men without the wit.

I once told a friend all this, prefacing with, "I go up and down on Leonardo DiCaprio." She goes, "Yeah, you wish."  :laugh:


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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1565 on: January 16, 2010, 12:08:48 am »
I usually like Leo diC, but I go up and down. He was sooo amazing in What's Eating Gilberg Grape, the first thing I ever saw him in, that I became fascinated. Then, after Titanic, I got kind of sick of him. And he was not that great in Gangs of New York -- way upstaged by Daniel Day Lewis, but then who wouldn't be? -- and only just OK in Catch Me if you Can and The Aviator. But Leo was back to his old good form in Blood Diamond and The Departed, so I liked him again. In The Departed, especially -- I found him more riveting than Jack Nicholson or even Matt Damon. But then came Revolutionary Road -- meh; it's Mad Men without the wit.

I once told a friend all this, prefacing with, "I go up and down on Leonardo DiCaprio." She goes, "Yeah, you wish."  :laugh:

Tell you what, I thought Blood Diamond looked like it might be an interesting movie, despite the fact that it had LdiC in it.
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1566 on: January 16, 2010, 12:21:13 am »
Of course, if Leonardo DiCaprio had been in Brokeback Mountain, I probably wouldn't have seen it, either!  :laugh:

If LDCaprio had been cast as either Jack or Ennis in BBM, I would have definitely never seen it and would not be here right now, writing this post. I have never been a fan of LDC. Have only seen Titanic once and that was on television, years after it was first released. And I only coped with it on that occasion by making a deliberately conscious effort to ignore LDC whenever he was on screen, which was difficult, seeing as he is in practically every single frame.
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1567 on: January 16, 2010, 11:00:33 am »
Tell you what, I thought Blood Diamond looked like it might be an interesting movie, despite the fact that it had LdiC in it.

It is! I'd recommend renting it.


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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1568 on: January 17, 2010, 01:42:02 am »
I went to see Avatar in 3-D again yesterday - my second time this week. I took a friend along with me and we sat down the front, near the screen. My friend loved it and I was just as blown away as before. I'm already making plans for a third viewing, maybe IMAX next time; though, I can't imagine IMAX being all that much better than conventional 3-D as viewed from row A. The screen is HUGE from there. My two previous viewings were at the Hoyts Multiplex in the Broadway Shopping Centre, not far from where I live, and where I first saw Brokeback Mountain, back in Jan 2006. I sat in the front row on both occasions for Avatar, but it's not exactly a "row" as such. Rather, there are three pairs of high-back armchairs, where you can put your head back and stretch your legs. I sat in the middle pair both times. Perfect for Avatar.

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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1569 on: January 17, 2010, 03:17:42 pm »


Avatar is now in the Mother Tree of the Zeitgeist--even political/satirical cartoonists have caught the meme. Eywa be praised!



http://www.salon.com/ent/comics/tom_the_dancing_bug/2010/01/13/tom_the_dancing_bug

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 20:14 EST
From the West Wing to Wall Street
The transformation of Timothy Geithner

By Ruben Bolling


"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
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