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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1580 on: January 20, 2010, 03:22:36 pm »
The word avatar has had many meanings over the years. One that I read about captured my fancy back in the early 1990s. There was an article in a scientific journal about the development of these things called search bots (the predecessor to search engines). These bots, called avatars, would be sent out onto the Internet to search for data to fit your specifications. If you ignore the data they brought back, they would die. If you selected the data, they would live and procreate, and their children would search for similar data.

Then, there are the Hindu gods and goddesses, who walk the earth in many different incarnations, or avatars.

Of course, there are our own avatars on BetterMost and the Web. They are much more than just our screen names, or should be anyway.

The avatars in the movie were hybrid human/Na'vi beings, but whether they were driven by the human mind or by their own minds is a matter of confusion.
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1581 on: January 20, 2010, 03:28:18 pm »

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/movies/20avatar.html?hpw


You Saw What in ‘Avatar’? Pass Those Glasses!

Chinese moviegoers donned 3-D glasses to watch “Avatar” in Hefei, in Anhui Province.


By DAVE ITZKOFF
Published: January 20, 2010

 
If you thought that “Avatar” was just a high-tech movie about a big-hearted tough guy saving the beguiling natives of a distant moon, you might want to check the prescription on your 3-D glasses.

Since its release in December, James Cameron’s science-fiction epic has broken box office records and grabbed two Golden Globe awards for best director and best dramatic motion picture. But it has also found itself under fire from a growing list of interest groups, schools of thought and entire nations that have protested its message (as they see it), its morals (as they interpret them) and its philosophy (assuming it has one).

Over the last month, it has been criticized by social and political conservatives who bristle at its depictions of religion and the use of military force; feminists who feel that the male avatar bodies are stronger and more muscular than their female counterparts; antismoking advocates who object to a character who lights up cigarettes; not to mention fans of Soviet-era Russian science fiction; the Chinese; and the Vatican. This week the authorities in China announced that the 2-D version of the film would be pulled from most theaters there to make way for a biography of Confucius.


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That so many groups have projected their issues onto “Avatar” suggests that it has burrowed into the cultural consciousness in a way that even its immodest director could not have anticipated. Its detractors agree that it is more than a humans-in-space odyssey — even if they do not agree on why that is so.

“Some of the ways people are reading it are significant of Cameron’s intent, and some are just by-products of what people are thinking about,” said Rebecca Keegan, the author of “The Futurist: The Life and Films of James Cameron.” “It’s really become this Rorschach test for your personal interests and anxieties.”

The “Avatar” camp isn’t endorsing any particular interpretation, but is happy to let others read the ink blots. “Movies that work are movies that have themes that are bigger than their genre,” Jon Landau, a producer of the film, said in a telephone interview. “The theme is what you leave with and you leave the plot at the theater.”

Mr. Cameron might have opened the door to multiple readings with his declaration that “Avatar” was an environmental parable. In a news conference in London in December, he said he saw the movie “as a broader metaphor, not so intensely politicized as some would make it, but rather that’s how we treat the natural world as well.”

In a column for the Christian entertainment Web site movieguide.org, David Outten wrote that “Avatar” maligned capitalism, promoted animism over monotheism and overdramatized the possibility of environmental catastrophe on earth. At another site that offers a conservative critique of the entertainment industry, bighollywood.breitbart.com, John Nolte wrote that the film was “a thinly disguised, heavy-handed and simplistic sci-fi fantasy/allegory critical of America from our founding straight through to the Iraq War.”

Not surprisingly, the religious overtones of “Avatar” were of interest in Vatican City, where the film was reviewed by Gaetano Vallini, a cultural critic for L’Osservatore Romano,  the daily newspaper of the Holy See.

In his review, Mr. Vallini wrote that for all of the “stupefying, enchanting technology” in the film, it “gets bogged down by a spiritualism linked to the worship of nature.”

In a telephone interview, Mr. Vallini said his widely reported review might have been overemphasized because of the publication it appeared in. His assignment to write about “Avatar” was not an attempt to advance a particular agenda, he said, but rather “a compulsory choice” given the anticipation surrounding the film.

Ultimately, Mr. Vallini said, “the movie doesn’t provoke many emotions,” and its observations about militarism, imperialism and the environment “are just sketched out as themes.”

“It is Cameron’s narrative choice,” he continued, “as he is aware of the fact that the visual aspect widely compensates for this lack.”

Other viewers say that issues of imperialism are central to the film. In a post on the science-fiction Web site io9.com, Annalee Newitz, the site’s editor in chief, wrote that “Avatar” depicted “the essence of the white guilt fantasy, laid bare,” a dimension she said it shared with movies from “The Last Samurai” to “District 9.” (Critics have also said that “Avatar” copied story elements from the movies “Dances With Wolves,” “Pocahontas” and “Ferngully: The Last Rainforest”; the Poul Anderson novella “Call Me Joe”; and the “Noon Universe” book series by the Russian authors Arkady and Boris Strugatsky.)

In movies like “Avatar,” Ms. Newitz wrote, “humans are the cause of alien oppression and distress,” until a white man “switches sides at the last minute, assimilating into the alien culture and becoming its savior.”

Ms. Newitz said in an interview that since publishing that post, she had heard from readers around the world who disagreed with her interpretation, which she appreciated. “Just the idea of whiteness is a local phenomenon,” she said. “It’s certainly not in parts of the world where white people are not dominant.”

In China, for example, the film’s imperialist themes have upset audiences who believe that the plight of the aliens, the Na’vi, who are forced from their home by human industrialists, is a parable for Chinese people whose dwellings have been forcibly razed by local governments to make way for new construction. As one pseudonymous commenter quoted on Chinasmack.com wrote: “China’s demolition crews must go sue Old Cameron, sue him for piracy/copyright infringement.”

There is, at least, consensus among “Avatar” critics that good science fiction operates on an allegorical level. In novels like “Dune,” films like “Star Wars” or television series like the recent “Battlestar Galactica,” Ms. Newitz said the fantastical elements of these works offer a place of “narrative safety” to contemplate real-life issues like environmental decay, totalitarianism and torture.

“There’s something very satisfying about being able to think through those issues without feeling you’re actually taking a political position,” she said. “Because you’re not – you’re just talking about stories.”

Over the breadth of Mr. Cameron’s career, he has been attracted to outsize themes. Ms. Keegan said that it was possible to read “The Terminator,” his breakthrough 1984 movie, as an anti-technology polemic, an anti-war film or a modern gloss on the birth of Jesus.

“Or,” she said, “ you could just watch it as a movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger stomps around like a robot.”

Paradoxically, the pileup of arguments surrounding “Avatar” might have made a sympathetic figure out of the outspoken Mr. Cameron, who now finds himself in the underdog position of having to account for every possible message in his ostensible popcorn film.

“Often to his detriment, he says exactly what he thinks,” Ms. Keegan said. “All of that makes him seem outside the Hollywood bubble, even though on paper he couldn’t be more of an insider.”

Ms. Newitz, however, was not sympathetic to Mr. Cameron, who wanted to make a singularly ambitious film, and may have gotten his wish. “It’s like, do you feel bad for Obama?” she said. “He’s the president — he kind of asked for it.”

Gaia Pianigiani contributed reporting from Rome.
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1582 on: January 21, 2010, 12:47:13 am »
There was so much I didn't understand about the movie AVATAR. For one thing, why was there no backstory about the dead twin brother? How did he die and why did Jake feel compelled to step into his place? Why was he in the scientific group instead of the security group?
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1583 on: January 21, 2010, 09:22:52 am »
There was so much I didn't understand about the movie AVATAR. For one thing, why was there no backstory about the dead twin brother? How did he die and why did Jake feel compelled to step into his place? Why was he in the scientific group instead of the security group?

I don't know how he died, but the reason Jake felt compelled to step into his place, in the scientific group, was that as a twin he shared the same genes, and apparently for the avatar to work it had to be a genetic match to its originally intended person.

How convenient. Maybe everyone selected for the mission was a twin, just in case!


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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1584 on: January 21, 2010, 01:30:43 pm »
I don't know how he died, but the reason Jake felt compelled to step into his place, in the scientific group, was that as a twin he shared the same genes, and apparently for the avatar to work it had to be a genetic match to its originally intended person.

How convenient. Maybe everyone selected for the mission was a twin, just in case!




Does anybody else think it would be good for the Avatar posts to be split out into their own thread that can be continued?

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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1585 on: January 21, 2010, 09:02:05 pm »

Does anybody else think it would be good for the Avatar posts to be split out into their own thread that can be continued?

Sure why not. I hope you will participate, Elle!!
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1586 on: January 22, 2010, 02:04:47 am »

Does anybody else think it would be good for the Avatar posts to be split out into their own thread that can be continued?

Sounds good.  :)
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1587 on: January 22, 2010, 02:24:44 am »
There was so much I didn't understand about the movie AVATAR. For one thing, why was there no backstory about the dead twin brother? How did he die and why did Jake feel compelled to step into his place? Why was he in the scientific group instead of the security group?

I may be wrong, but I think something was said about Jake's twin brother being murdered.

. . . . and what Katherine said about the genetic match. There was also mention made of the much greater salary Jake would get as an avatar, as opposed to his usual marine grunt's modest salary. That may have been an incentive. And from the way he looked affectionately at his brother's coffin as it was incinerated, and the defensive way he snapped, "He's dead!" at Dr Augustine, I would say the twins were probably close and, therefore, maybe Jake agreed to take his brother's place out of loyalty and love.

And of course he would be able to walk again as an avatar. He couldn't afford the operation on his Marine's salary on Earth.
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1588 on: January 24, 2010, 08:45:44 am »
I finally saw avatar yesterday and thought it was abou 40 mins too long....
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Re: Resurrecting the Movies thread...
« Reply #1589 on: January 27, 2010, 01:01:49 am »


Uhm--what????

SW as--who??

And: "--the guy who appeared as Jake Sully in his non-blue, human form during all of Avatar's boring parts--"

Excuse me?
I resemble that remark!



http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/01/jake_sully_to_play_dracula.html

Jake Sully
to Play Dracula

By: Lane Brown
1/26/10 at 6:30 PM




Here's how Hollywood thinks money gets made: Sam Worthington — the guy who appeared as Jake Sully in his non-blue, human form during all of Avatar's boring parts — will play a vampire (one who does not fight with a werewolf over Kristen Stewart) in Alex Proyas's Dracula Year Zero.  Also, the treatment sounds slightly Batman Begins -ish; according to The Hollywood Reporter, the script "explores the origin of Dracula, weaving vampire mythology with the true history of Prince Vlad the Impaler. It seeks to depict Dracula as a flawed hero in a tragic love story set in a dark age of magic and war." Unless it's a war over unobtanium and the magic involves sticking ponytails into flying dragons, we're skeptical about this one.
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