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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2017, 05:43:05 am »

I posted this over in an UBF thread.  I figure  we could also have a discussion here.. 

Some of those shots have striking parallels in BBM, in fact there are a few dead on.

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I agree with that scene where they ran into each other, the one you quoted.  Powerful.

Times are approximate as I watched it in 2 parts from the Youtube links posted earlier.

17:30 minutes in - there's the "you have no idea..."  that gave goose-bump parallels to that same Jack and Ennis conversation.

00:41, 00:43+ - the whole exchange with Thomas' mother.  When she opens the curtain and says  "she's been storing " it's a direct parallel to Jack's mother telling Ennis to go upstairs and look about Jack's room.  Then there are her lines around the painting(s), the eye contact about THE painting, "...but it is you, isn't it?" and then she tells Michael he must take it. That, I feel, parallels Ennis and Jack's mom's interaction at the end with the bag and shirt.

00:49 minutes in - when Micheal goes to see Thomas getting out of prison.  Thomas looks around just hoping Micheal is there but their eyes never meet.  Then Michael goes home and collapses going up the stairs.   (OMG it was Ennis in the alley all over again)  Then there was the shot in that same scene looking up at him thru the staircase runs, framing it like his own prision.   Whew!

00:55 - 00:58 mins  - When Thomas bumps into Michael and Flora and he connects with Michael one last time.  Thomas blowing Flora the kiss admits defeat and he knows he will likely never see Michael again.  In fact, I think that is the last time we see ever lay eyes on each other.   In this same scene, Thomas gives Michael's son Patrick a gift.  It's a box of pastel chalks... pay attention to that box.

1:17 mins in - The guys in the field, the camera work panning around them is like the scene with Jack and Ennis during their last meeting when Ennis collapses in Jack's arms.

1:49 mins in - those intertwined paintings after all those years - OMG - it kicked me damn hard right in the gut.  Still gives me chills just thinking about it now and what Flora had to face in that instant.

1:56 mins in - that letter which we didn't know the fate of.  Now here's another kicker.  It is almost an exact book end in running time to its first appearance.  When Flora gives her grandson Adam the single letter she saved which Michael NEVER sent to Thomas, she kept it in the "Pastel Colors" box Thomas had given Michael's son Robert at that last chance meeting.  WOW.  Nice detail.

Since the story is "loosely based" on Patrick Gale's father, it is unclear how much of what we see may be factual other than he was gay. But none-the-less, that does not detract from the story, the acting or the emotional conveyance. If there is a letter, what a treasure!   

(This is a delta from the story... )  See https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jul/28/my-fathers-love-for-another-man-patrick-gale-man-in-an-orange-shirt

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I'll keep replaying this in my head for a long time.
I also will do more reading about his real life.
This will be a permanent film for viewing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/07/31/man-orange-shirt-heart-rending-account-gay-life-forties-britain/
"...personified brilliantly the two poles of the dilemma gay men faced: to bow to social convention and die inwardly or live a true life and be pilloried for it. All of this made for a thoroughly engaging drama that did a terrific job of reminding us how damaging and repellent attitudes to homosexuality were in the not-so-distant past."

Here's another -> https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/aug/01/man-in-an-orange-shirt-review-heartbreaking-happiness-denied
"Much of the tension is between Michael’s inability to move beyond the life that is expected of him and Thomas’ inability, or unwillingness, to toe the line. Both positions are sympathetic. James McArdle’s Thomas is angry and defiant, beaten down and wounded by imprisonment and injustice. Oliver Jackson-Cohen is Michael, all Buzz Lightyear jawline and watery Jake Gyllenhaal eyes. It’s handy that he’s got such expressive peepers, as much of the emotion here is offered in a series of lingering looks shot across various gorgeously decorated period rooms that say, variously: “I’m in pain,” “I’m in agony,” or “Sorry about marrying you even though I’m deeply in love with my best friend.” "

One more --> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/writersroom/entries/6a5ba29a-76c3-4a85-9af2-e8f77da7a96d

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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2017, 07:05:13 am »

Ran across this last night.  Explanations from Patrick Gale for MIAOS --> http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-08-07/patrick-gale-reveals-the-secrets-of-man-in-an-orange-shirt/1
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2017, 03:04:33 pm »

Thanks for this. Although I am 20 - 25 years behind Michael and Thomas, so much applies. I told my mother (or she found me crying) when in my early 20's. She always loved me but never liked me mentioning my sexuality.  In her last year, 2006 aged 96, I played the cd of BBM and she told me she did not like that cowboy music :-)
I looked after mum, who could not be left alone, while my sister went to see BBM. My sister (aged 83) is totally supportive but my sexuality is never mentioned in front of her husband (who does know) and her best girlfriend (not sure?) who are both highly homophobic. Obviously my friends are mainly in their 70's. I know they are all aware but I never mention it and once or twice when I have made some comment (eg some man is good looking) I see and hear the embarrassed titters. I have had longer conversations with one or two (they are nearly all women, widowed or divorced) who I know are more au fait with it eg one whose brother was gay and committed suicide. I never mention it to my best male friends who are all married with grandkids but they must know.
As I said I recorded MAIOS so must go and watch it again. I rarely watch movies twice but did see BBM 4 times, easily a record for me but. although I have 2 copies I know I have not watched it for at least 8 years.
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2017, 05:53:35 am »

I have just finished watching MIAOS again although this time in 2 parts, the first was nearly a week go. It was good to notice somethings in the movie that I missed the first time especially when you understand the significance. Again I ended up sobbing my heart out, that last part where you hear Michael reading his unposted letter to Thomas while you see Adam hopefully making it up with Steve just gets to me.

I am debating whether to show it to my sister when she visits me next month. As I said, I sent her to see BBM while I cared for Mum. Not sure I can sit through the sex scenes with my big sister.

Our parents did not display much affection, other than a brief kiss, when we were growing up. I knew very little about sex until in my mid 20's (my school friends were more likely to discuss theology than sex :-) ) so no wonder I went rather mad in my late 20's in dark backrooms. Meeting a guy socially then progressing from there is completely foreign to me. So I really understood where Adam was coming from. I wish I could have seen such a movie when I was young.
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2017, 10:32:21 am »

Brian, I feel for you and those of your generation who missed the ordinary but quite magical experience of meeting someone, getting to know them, and falling in love with them. That should not be denied to anybody! I want to see MIAOS, I have a lot to catch up on.
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« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 04:38:09 pm »

I have just finished watching MIAOS again although this time in 2 parts, the first was nearly a week go. It was good to notice somethings in the movie that I missed the first time especially when you understand the significance. Again I ended up sobbing my heart out, that last part where you hear Michael reading his unposted letter to Thomas while you see Adam hopefully making it up with Steve just gets to me.

Brian,

I know you and I have our differences, but I completely agree with you about MIAOS.

The ending of the movie interweaves the tragic and the hopeful. Since we don't know until the end that Michael never mailed the letter, that tragedy hits home when Flora gives it to Adam. For me, the hardest part about that is that Thomas never really knew how much Michael loved him.

At the same time, the letter is cathartic for Adam.  The final shower scene indicates that he is now free from his anxiety. And then when he lets Steve read it, we see that there is hope for their relationship. The way I interpreted the ending is that Micheal did not write that letter in vain after all. It redeemed his grandson.   
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