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Happy Longerdays!
« on: December 22, 2017, 04:08:37 pm »
I think this is our first exclusively BetterMost holiday: Longerdays!

(with thanks to serious crayons and Pentheslea)


Happy Longerdays, everyone!
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 12:09:52 pm »
Thank you, Lee! And same to you!

The sun is now up for a few seconds longer each day. I can't say the difference is ever very noticeable, for me at least, until at least mid-February. But it's nice to know it's happening.

Here's an interesting article with great maps about how the solstice works, how daylight times differ in other parts of the country, how sunrise and sunset don't start expanding at the same rate, why the coldest part of winter usually follows the solstice (and differs by weeks, Lee, between CO and MN). Sorry, non-US Brokies, it's from the Washington Post and is very US-centric, but it will give you information you can loosely apply to your own geography.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/12/21/winter-solstice-2017-five-things-you-should-know-about-the-shortest-day-of-the-year/?utm_term=.39d10c729ec8

And here's a chart showing how the coldest, warmest and in-betweenest times tend to follow a Dec-Feb, March-May etc. pattern. Apparently these are called meteorological seasons (based on weather), while the solstice-equinox system is called astronomical seasons, and the writer advocates for adopting the former.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/12/01/this-chart-shows-why-winter-should-without-question-officially-begin-dec-1/?utm_term=.99eab5b7452e



 

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 03:25:18 pm »
Happy Longerdays!


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2017, 05:33:09 am »
Here's an interesting article with great maps about how the solstice works,

Cool maps, thanks for sharing :).


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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2017, 03:47:44 pm »
I think this is our first exclusively BetterMost holiday: Longerdays!

You're right! It's very Brokieish.

Of course, we always keep a special place in our hearts for Brokie Thanksgiving. And, to a lesser extent, the Fourth of July.



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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2020, 05:25:15 pm »
Five years ago, I posted this on this day:

Some surprise good news. TODAY is the earliest sunset of the season. Sunrises will continue getting later and later until the 21st. Thanks to Earl Mellor
 for the info.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2020, 07:56:10 pm »
Some surprise good news. TODAY is the earliest sunset of the season. Sunrises will continue getting later and later until the 21st. Thanks to Earl Mellor  for the info.

Apologies if I asked you this same question five years ago, but why?

I will say the sun set plenty early tonight. It was cloudy, which exacerbates the effect, but it was dark by 4:30 at least.



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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2020, 08:18:57 pm »
Maybe this just applies to approximately the latitude of Philadelphia, but the almanac I use gives the length of the day (meaning daylight) for each Sunday. Today the length was 9 hours, 27 minutes. Next Sunday it will be 9 hours, 22 minutes. On December 20, the day before the Winter Solstice, the length will be 9 hours, 20 minutes. On December 27, the length will have crept back up to 9 hours, 22 minutes.

(I forgot today is St. Nicholas' Day, and next Sunday is St. Lucy's Day.)
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2020, 08:37:26 pm »
Well, explaining this is beyond both my math and astronomy skills, but I found a chart that showed the sunsets getting earlier through Dec. 13 but then moving later starting the 14th. The speed at which they change increases as they go along. The sunrises get later throughout the month (by a minute every day or two in each case).

But the daylength is shortest on Dec. 21 and then starts increasing by a few seconds a day on Dec. 22.



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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2020, 05:11:34 pm »
Apologies if I asked you this same question five years ago, but why?     

It's kind of complicated. This site explains it rather well:
https://abc7ny.com/winter-solstice-latest-sunrise-earliest-sunset-solar-time/8593291/

NYC had its earliest sunset on the 7th. Here in Denver, it's happening around 4:35 pm each day.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2020, 11:24:59 pm »

It's kind of complicated. This site explains it rather well:
https://abc7ny.com/winter-solstice-latest-sunrise-earliest-sunset-solar-time/8593291/

NYC had its earliest sunset on the 7th. Here in Denver, it's happening around 4:35 pm each day.


But is the total daylight shortest on the 21st?

Here the sunrises and sunsets change in counterintuitive ways, but the shortest day is still the 21st.



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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2020, 05:38:18 pm »
For quite some time, sunset here has been at 4:37 pm. You can set your watch by it.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2020, 10:39:25 am »
For quite some time, sunset here has been at 4:37 pm. You can set your watch by it.

4:33 here. This is the darkest week of the year.



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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 11:05:52 am »
4:33 here. This is the darkest week of the year.

In more ways than one.  :(
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2021, 01:54:32 pm »
At last! Sunset is past 5 pm here in these parts. And sunrise is at 7:18 am.

Also, we may be headed towards the "January thaw" that we sometimes have. This morning, it rained for a bit.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2021, 02:00:01 pm »
Yes, I've noticed that the darkness is coming later.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2021, 12:05:18 pm »
At last! Sunset is past 5 pm here in these parts. And sunrise is at 7:18 am.

According to my phone, sunset today is 5 p.m. sharp and sunrise tomorrow is 7:45.

So it's still pretty dark, but it's unusually warm. By which I don't mean literally warm. Daytime temperatures have been in the teens, 20s and 30s -- got up to about 40, maybe even over, a couple of days. If there's been any below zeros, they were at night. We've only had one or two days with single-digit highs.


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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2021, 04:31:58 pm »

Some surprise good news. TODAY is the earliest sunset of the season. Sunrises will continue getting later and later until the 21st. Thanks to Earl Mellor
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Yay! We are about to start having evenings again, instead of early afternoon turning into night.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2021, 10:16:15 am »
Yup.  According to Google, the Winter Solstice is Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 10:59 a.m. EST.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2021, 10:30:34 am »
Yup.  According to Google, the Winter Solstice is Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 10:59 a.m. EST.


One more day- I can do that ;D
For the last week I've been peeking towards the calendar, looking forward to Longerdays. Every time I think something along the lines of "What? It's already/still dark outside? - *'+%* >:("


Longerdays, followed by Christmas, sure is a ray of hope in dull winter days.

- and the sun has come out during the last minutes :laugh: I take it whenever I can.

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2021, 11:49:46 am »
I'm getting ready for Longerdays! Getting out my lighter, smudging supplies, and little candle that I got on the Isle of Lewis when I visited there for the Equinox in 2010.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2021, 01:56:58 pm »
I remind myself now and then throughout the day that we've arrived at Longerdays. Very comforting!

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2021, 01:33:08 pm »
I remind myself now and then throughout the day that we've arrived at Longerdays. Very comforting!


Yes! And I try to gauge wether darkness comes noticeably later already. :laugh: I'm not sure about it, but I do think it's getting brighter in the mornings. Hard to be sure however since I have a lovely period off work and get to sleep in every day.

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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2021, 04:22:32 pm »

Yes! And I try to gauge wether darkness comes noticeably later already. :laugh: I'm not sure about it, but I do think it's getting brighter in the mornings. Hard to be sure however since I have a lovely period off work and get to sleep in every day.

This is one reason why I enjoy getting an almanac geared to the latitude where I live. It gives the time of sunrise and sunset every day, so it's possible to track the times of sunrise and sunset and watch sunrise get earlier and sunset later as the world moves from winter toward spring. In addition, at the beginning of each week, there is a notice of the length of the day. For example, this Sunday the length of the day is given as 9 hours 25 minutes. Next Sunday it's 9 hours 32 minutes. That's a gain of 7 minutes.
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Re: Happy Longerdays!
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2021, 08:03:34 am »
This is one reason why I enjoy getting an almanac geared to the latitude where I live. It gives the time of sunrise and sunset every day, so it's possible to track the times of sunrise and sunset and watch sunrise get earlier and sunset later as the world moves from winter toward spring. In addition, at the beginning of each week, there is a notice of the length of the day. For example, this Sunday the length of the day is given as 9 hours 25 minutes. Next Sunday it's 9 hours 32 minutes. That's a gain of 7 minutes.


7 minutes gained in one week, yay! That's exactly what I need to hear in winter and why I like Longerdays so much :laugh:
Good idea with the almanach. :)