Author Topic: The "I LOVE everything Jack" thread (Read 41053 times)

Sheriff Roland · « **on:** April 05, 2006, 04:27:40 am »

On day three, was finally createdThe "I LOVE everything Jack" thread
and all was right with the world, thus allowing our two boys to exist side by side different but equal in every way
try and keep it to one thought per post please

I love Jack's unabashed checking out of Ennis in his very first appearance in the movie - He knows!!

vkm91941 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2006, 05:01:11 am »

I love Jack's effusive personality

Jeff Wrangler · « **Reply #2 on:** April 05, 2006, 09:13:09 am »

I love the look on Jack's face when he dips his bandanna in the hot water to clean Ennis's cut.

littleguitar · « **Reply #3 on:** April 05, 2006, 10:53:03 am »

I love the way Jack says "time to get going, cowboy" so affectionately after he lassos Ennis

henrypie · « **Reply #4 on:** April 05, 2006, 10:56:13 am »

I love Jack's eyebrow.

wtbgirl · « **Reply #5 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:29:01 am »

I love Jack when he walks over to Ennis by the campfire and flicks his rodeo belt buckle, grins and makes that little clicking noise.

starboardlight · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2006, 11:44:04 am »

I love Jack's big grin in response to "If I was lucky, that harmonica would broken too."

Jeff Wrangler · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2006, 03:33:44 pm »

I love Jack's reaction when Ennis shoots the elk.

Ellemeno · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:18:33 am »

I love Jack's purple chairs.

vkm91941 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:37:28 am »

I love Jacks big soulful eyes and how they go all soft when he's watching Ennis and thinks Ennis doesn't see.

dmmb_Mandy · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:42:14 am »

I love how Jack's face lights up when sees Ennis as he's waiting on the mountain, and he says with a smile "You're Late!"

Sheyne · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:44:44 am »

Check your messages, Mandy, you naughty little monkey...

I love that big smile on his face when he says this too...

Ellemeno · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2006, 05:45:45 am »

I love how when Jack is furious at Ennis and says painful things, as soon as he realizes that Ennis is crying, he rushes to hold him.

Sheriff Roland · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:10:27 pm »

Two weeks without a post! Don't no one enjoy adding to this thread? Hunh??

I love Jack's love of life

P.S. Should this thread be moved to the "BBM games & quizzes" section? It would be easier to find there!

delalluvia · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:24:03 pm »

I love the walk and the look on Jack's face when he walks out of the tent after that first night. He looks so vulnerable in body and soul. {sigh}

RouxB · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:45:42 pm »

I love the expression on Jack's face as he goes to comfort Ennis in the lake scene-he goes from angry to near tears when he sees Ennis's anguish.

and I love all his chuckles

serious crayons · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:52:04 pm »

Quote from: RouxB on April 21, 2006, 08:45:42 pm

I love the expression on Jack's face as he goes to comfort Ennis in the lake scene-he goes from angry to near tears when he sees Ennis's anguish.

and I love all his chuckles

Yes, Ruby! I love the way Jack always smiles so cutely and good-naturedly whenever Ennis teases him. Come to think of it, I just love his smile, period. So much so that I even love it when it looks kind of pasted on, as when he's dancing with Lureen!

David · « **Reply #17 on:** April 22, 2006, 07:36:50 pm »

I love the way he looks sexy doing nothing!

David · « **Reply #18 on:** April 22, 2006, 07:38:54 pm »

And you can't Love Jack without Loving Jake!

ednbarby · « **Reply #19 on:** April 22, 2006, 08:12:31 pm »

I love the way Jack peels potatoes when he'd really rather be looking at Ennis.

twistedude · « **Reply #20 on:** April 22, 2006, 08:26:43 pm »

I love the way he finds Ennis's hand so quick without opening his eyes, and the way he looks so calmly at him after Ennis says "what'r you doin'?" and the way he reaches across to grab Ennis's hand at the end of the sex, and so,ebody stop me!

Lumière · « **Reply #21 on:** April 22, 2006, 11:01:33 pm »

I love Jack for pursuing the object of his desire, namely Ennis. I love his patience and the way he slowly got Ennis to feel things he never knew he was capable of experiencing.

ednbarby · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2006, 08:05:30 am »

I love Jack's hands. Especially when they are on Ennis' face.

Toast · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2006, 11:06:59 pm »

I love Jack's face, in every scene it steals the show.
But the best scene to show off that face, is the one where Ennis is pouting on the side of the hill because they have to go, and Jack picks up his lassoo.
Jack steps into closeup, and there is that face expressing care, concern and love.
He wonders how he can extend their time together, now that Aguirre has decided to bring them down from the mountain.
Will Ennis choose him or Alma?
There is so much love and desire in that face.

edit - added ing to express
try to replace brightened image

ednbarby · « **Reply #24 on:** April 24, 2006, 11:04:07 am »

Man, you hit the nail on the head with that one, Toast. As RT said a while back, it was in *that* scene where Jake Gyllenhaal became a bonafide movie star.

Lumière · « **Reply #25 on:** April 24, 2006, 12:07:07 pm »

I love Jack for being bold and for having the guts to take chances. I love him for 'getting the ball rolling', so to speak, in the tent on that cold night. I love that he didn't get caught up with what might happen, he threw those cares to the wind! Love Jack Nasty!

ednbarby · « **Reply #26 on:** April 24, 2006, 02:00:41 pm »

I love the way Jack shows Ennis he already has a lit cigarette right after Aguirre says "You ranch stiffs - you ain't never no good." Ennis offers him a drag of his smoke in a commiserating manner, and Jack, still pissed about the dirty punch, just turns his right hand enough without even looking at him as if to say, "Yeah, suck on it - I got my own."

ednbarby · « **Reply #27 on:** April 24, 2006, 06:25:13 pm »

Quote from: Lucise on April 24, 2006, 03:18:42 pm

I didn't even notice that is what was going on there! After bazillion viewings, still didnt catch that...
Will be lookin' out for it tonight!

It's incredibly subtle, like most other things in this movie. If you blink, you'll miss it. Just watch closely right after Aguirre says "You ranch stiffs - you ain't never no good." Ennis shakes his head in a disgusted manner, really as if he's trying to commiserate with Jack, then leans his hand holding his cigarette ever so slightly in his direction without even looking at him as if he's offering the peace pipe. Without missing a beat, Jack just turns his right hand that's hanging over the fence rightside up enough to show he already has his own. I find it to be another one of those amazing unspoken moments. It shows so much - the familiarity and intimacy between the two of them, and Ennis trying feebly to make peace with the head shake that is really much more characteristically Jack than him, then offering the smoke, then getting rebuffed. Beautiful, beautiful stuff.

moremojo · « **Reply #28 on:** April 25, 2006, 04:49:05 pm »

I love Jack's recognition of the power of personal symbols.

hermitdave · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2006, 04:57:58 pm »

I love the longing in Jack's beautiful blue eyes.

moremojo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 26, 2006, 05:19:45 pm »

I love how Jack comes to represent the eternal power of love.

Arad-3 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 27, 2006, 08:29:10 pm »

I love how that Jack could peel a potato ! No waste at all.

opinionista · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2006, 05:27:41 am »

I love how Jack kisses Ennis on the second tent scene and the reunion.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #33 on:** April 29, 2006, 04:27:52 pm »

Quote from: moremojo on April 26, 2006, 05:19:45 pm

I love how Jack comes to represent the eternal power of love.

Awwwww! This is still my favorite "I love everything..." comment of all time... living on through, what is it 4?, incarnations of this thread. Way to go moremojo!

I love that Jack wears his heart on his sleeve.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #34 on:** April 29, 2006, 04:39:18 pm »

Quote from: ednbarby on April 24, 2006, 02:00:41 pm

I love the way Jack shows Ennis he already has a lit cigarette right after Aguirre says "You ranch stiffs - you ain't never no good." Ennis offers him a drag of his smoke in a commiserating manner, and Jack, still pissed about the dirty punch, just turns his right hand enough without even looking at him as if to say, "Yeah, suck on it - I got my own."

By the way... this is an incredibly good observation! Awesome. I've never noticed that before.

I love the symphony of expressions on Jack's face during the reunion scene. Going from delight at first seeing Ennis/ during initial hug, to slight confusion while Ennis is pushing him to the wall, to the half-crying/ half-in-ecstacy look on his face as he clings to Ennis's face, etc.

Sheriff Roland · « **Reply #35 on:** April 29, 2006, 07:28:41 pm »

Quote from: atz75 on April 29, 2006, 04:39:18 pm

I love the symphony of expressions on Jack's face during the reunion scene. Going from delight at first seeing Ennis/ during initial hug, to slight confusion while Ennis is pushing him to the wall, to the half-crying/ half-in-ecstacy look on his face as he clings to Ennis's face, etc.

WOW!!!!

That's incredible!!!

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #36 on:** April 29, 2006, 07:47:15 pm »

Heya Roland,
Yes, I've finally found my way back onto these threads.

I love that Jack emerges with his shirt still untucked following the first tent scene. An amazing detail showing how vulnerable he is at this moment (combined with the look of concern on his face).

serious crayons · « **Reply #37 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:38:30 am »

Quote from: Roland on April 29, 2006, 07:28:41 pm

Quote from: atz75 on April 29, 2006, 04:39:18 pm
I love the symphony of expressions on Jack's face during the reunion scene. Going from delight at first seeing Ennis/ during initial hug, to slight confusion while Ennis is pushing him to the wall, to the half-crying/ half-in-ecstacy look on his face as he clings to Ennis's face, etc.

WOW!!!! That's incredible!!!

I second that. Very beautifully described.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #38 on:** April 30, 2006, 10:56:24 pm »

I love Jack for loving Ennis best.

ps. thanks folks

Penthesilea · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2006, 06:55:05 am »

I love Jack for keeping the memory of the scene we know as 'the flashback-scene' so cherished.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #40 on:** May 01, 2006, 10:50:59 am »

I love Jack for being very brave. For pursuing what he wants and for complaining about what he feels is unfair.

ednbarby · « **Reply #41 on:** May 01, 2006, 11:14:29 am »

I love Jack for swiping Ennis' bloody shirt and enshrining it within his all those years. And I love, love, love the way he says, "Yeah," to Ennis' "I can't believe I left my shirt up there."

TJ · « **Reply #42 on:** May 01, 2006, 05:05:13 pm »

Jack Twist was/is a special person (even if he came from the mind of Annie Proulx).

Jack was willing to give up his life that had been like living a lie and be in a permanent relationship with Ennis Del Mar. But, he had to have Ennis willing to be in partnership with him.

Jack had it in his personality that he was not a loner and needed a companion to give him support for everything he did. His plans did not come to pass because he was only dreaming dreams; it was because for him to realize his dreams, he had to have a partner.

Toast · « **Reply #43 on:** May 01, 2006, 05:51:18 pm »

Quote from: TJ on May 01, 2006, 05:05:13 pm

Jack Twist was/is a special person (even if he came from the mind of Annie Proulx).
.........
Jack had it in his personality that he was not a loner and needed a companion to give him support for everything he did. His plans did not come to pass because he was only dreaming dreams; it was because for him to realize his dreams, he had to have a partner.

Thanks for that insight.
Maybe that is the message from Jack to me.
I think I got the message from Ennis earlier.
... but Jack's dreams needed a partner.
I have so many dreams, too.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #44 on:** May 01, 2006, 07:26:45 pm »

I love Jack for being simultaneously a fun breath of fresh air AND wise and profound.

moremojo · « **Reply #45 on:** May 03, 2006, 04:08:44 pm »

I love Jack's unabashed delight in his own music.

TJ · « **Reply #46 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:33:37 pm »

The harmonica is mentioned only one time in the original story and that was after it had been flattened after Jack fell off the bay mare. Jack was not the only singer in the AP story. They never complained about each other's music although neither was actually talented vocally. That's another thing to like about Jack while still being OT here.

Lumière · « **Reply #47 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:42:47 pm »

I love Jack and Bobby in the combine together ...

...
That is about the only time we see any Jack/Bobby interaction, other than at the Thanksgiving scene ...

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #48 on:** May 03, 2006, 08:03:53 pm »

I love Jack for winning that rodeo when he meets Lureen. It's nice to see our Jack win once in a while...

ednbarby · « **Reply #49 on:** May 04, 2006, 01:51:33 pm »

I love Jack's laugh. I love the way it sounds like it's bubbling out of him like a rolling stream.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #50 on:** May 04, 2006, 09:24:23 pm »

I love story-Jack for carrying that little puppy around in his jacket on the way up the mountain. Cute.

Penthesilea · « **Reply #51 on:** May 07, 2006, 01:40:29 pm »

I love Jack in the motel scene: the smile that goes along with "Redlined it all the way...". Ahhh, <melting> And I love the kiss on Ennis's hair behind the ear. I didn't discover this kiss until a few days ago, because it was left out in the German dubbed version: you can not hear it.

serious crayons · « **Reply #52 on:** May 07, 2006, 01:53:18 pm »

I love Jack for always responding with a huge smile when Ennis teases him.

ednbarby · « **Reply #53 on:** May 15, 2006, 02:08:29 pm »

I love the way Jack drags so thoughtfully on all those cigarettes, especially the one he's smokin' when he sees Ennis' fire down below, so to speak. And the way he licks his lips afterwards, too - makes me wonder if they taste buttery, like Heath's favorite smokes.

Sheriff Roland · « **Reply #54 on:** May 15, 2006, 03:59:52 pm »

Quote from: ednbarby on May 15, 2006, 02:08:29 pm

I love the way Jack drags so thoughtfully on all those cigarettes, especially the one he's smokin' when he sees Ennis' fire down below, so to speak. And the way he licks his lips afterwards, too - makes me wonder if they taste buttery, like Heath's favorite smokes.

Barb - What do you mean "Ennis' fire down below"? (barb nasty!) and oh yea, how come you know that Ennis' smokes taste buttery, Hunh?!!?? Ha! - BTDT?

I Love Jack's gentle nature with Ennis - never struck him once - except by accident - & even then - that's how the talisman (the two shirts) came to be. "Jack Nasty" ... I think not!

Kd5000 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 18, 2006, 12:56:29 pm »

I loved him with his slang, his use of wordchoice, i.e. "Friend, ..." even when your so much more then just a friend.

Emmanuellover · « **Reply #56 on:** May 18, 2006, 10:55:46 pm »

I love the way his mouth tips when he smiles/laughs.......(in real life and in the movie)....

Love it when he sits at the top of the mountain and looks down on Ennis' fire below...thinking of him....

Absolutely love the way the eyebrow goes up when he hints to Ennis about coming back next summer....

Rayn · « **Reply #57 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:32:00 pm »

I love the way Jack says, "All right." I love it when he kicks his truck, love it when he's shaving in the rearview mirror and is lookin' at Ennis (sly devil), love how he says, "Son of a Bitch" in the reunion hug. I love Ennis' late arrival after the bear... Jack's anger turns so quickly to compassion as he tries to wipe Ennis' bloody head. I love it when he tell his father in law to "Sit your ignorant ass down before I knock it into next week!" But most of all, I love Jack for knowing who he is and how he feels about Ennis. Jack may have died, but Jack's love never does.

Rayn

serious crayons · « **Reply #58 on:** May 19, 2006, 02:38:52 pm »

I love Jack's extremely subtle smiles -- when he first sees Ennis outside the trailer, when Ennis joins him inside the tent.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #59 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:01:19 pm »

I love Jack's distinctly dirty knees in the flashback scene.

Lumière · « **Reply #60 on:** June 05, 2006, 12:28:49 pm »

Quote from: atz75 on May 25, 2006, 08:01:19 pm

I love Jack's distinctly dirty knees in the flashback scene.

Agreed Amanda!

I love Jack because he was just so hopeful and dreamy and incredibly hot!

I love the hopeful look on his face when he asks Aguirre: "Ennis del Mar ain't been around, has he?"...
Like he was holding his breathe, thinking of how badly he would like to see Ennis again.
Then Aguirre shot his plane right out of the sky with his 'rose-stemming' comment..

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #61 on:** June 05, 2006, 07:47:49 pm »

I love Jack for the jaunty way he wears that burgundy-colored scarf around his neck just prior to Ennis's return from the bear incident. Jack is a very stylish cowboy indeed!

Isaac31 · « **Reply #62 on:** June 05, 2006, 08:22:39 pm »

I love the way Jack is genuinely interested in everything about Ennis' life.

I love when Jack stands up to his father in law.

I love the way Jack is so tender with Ennis in the second tent scene.

OhopeBeach · « **Reply #63 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:06:58 pm »

I love the way Jack is so hopeful...every time.

-when they part the first time 'think you'll come back next summer'
-when he goes next summer and asks for Ennis
-in the motel room, after the first reunion, 'what are we gonna do?'
-at the campsite, 'it could always be like this'
-after the divorce 'here I am'
-their last time together. 'we should go to Mexico'

Just every time, so hopeful, just trying so hard to make it happen. Imagine all the hours he spent thinking of what their life could be like. Imagine him getting that card about the divorce and driving 14 hours! to be rejected...again. Oh, it's just so sad. But every time he comes back with those eyes, and that hope in his heart.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #64 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:17:19 pm »

I love Jack for the burst of energy he brings to almost every scene he's in. I love his impatience ~ somewhat related to energy.

OldeSoul · « **Reply #65 on:** June 20, 2006, 12:04:23 am »

I love when Jack says that Bobby's teacher doesn't like him because he "complains too much"- it shows he cares, unlike Lureen who won't even call for a tutor.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #66 on:** June 20, 2006, 12:36:45 am »

I love Jack's clumsiness because it's actually endearing... he's graceful when he doesn't know it.

ednbarby · « **Reply #67 on:** June 20, 2006, 12:34:07 pm »

I love Jack's bitching - "That pup tent smells like cat piss or worse," "Ya know, I'm commutin' 4 hours a day...," "Ya won't get much sleep, I can tell ya that," "Aguirre got all over my case like I was s'posed to control the weather," "Beats workin' for my old man - can't please my old man no way," "Why powder your nose just to go home and go to bed?" "No more beans!"

As you guys mentioned, I love it all the more when he says "I complain too much" because it's just about the essence of him (in not such a negative way, of course), and he sums it up himself in that one little phrase.

OldeSoul · « **Reply #68 on:** June 20, 2006, 10:18:47 pm »

I love watching Jack's face in the scene right before he tells Ennis that's the most Ennis has spoken in two weeks- you can tell he's just enjoying listening to Ennis talk, listening to his voice.

mvansand76 · « **Reply #69 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:15:08 am »

I love how Jack reminds all the idealists and dreamers in the world that it is OK to dream and have ideals. I love him because he makes whining and complaining a positive trait! I love how he combines masculinity with tenderness. I love how he never stops loving.

richardg49 · « **Reply #70 on:** July 22, 2006, 08:50:36 pm »

I love the very characteristic way Jack makes his entrance into the film. As the train disappears into the distance, we see Jack's truck driving towards us, backfiring, the engine obviously in need of a tune-up. It lumbers into its parking place, backskids and then stalls. Jack gets out angrily, kicks the tyre and mutters 'S**t', before turning to notice Ennis standing there.

Even before we see Jack, we get the impression that he's the one who will be generating the humour in the film.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #71 on:** July 22, 2006, 11:49:54 pm »

Welcome to BetterMost richardg49! Want a cup of coffee? And a piece of cherry cake?

Great detail. The tire on Jack's truck is one of my all-time favorite details in the movie.

OK, here's mine for tonight. I love that Jack is such a comfortable dancer. He makes it look effortless with LaShawn especially.

coffeecat33 · « **Reply #72 on:** July 23, 2006, 12:01:59 am »

I think the subject line says it for me: I LOVE EVERYTHING JACK - do I have to pick just one? I love-love-love how he looks in the flashback scene. His face is so soft & beautiful. I also love how he may get discouraged but never gives up. Jake said about Jack, "He tries really hard."

Rayn · « **Reply #73 on:** July 23, 2006, 11:58:34 am »

Jack is the Dreamer and true Idealist, the balance to Ennis, the down-to-earth Realist. How could anyone not love him?! They were perfect for each other-- if only the times and circumstances had been better for them, but they were not.

Front-Ranger · « **Reply #74 on:** September 17, 2006, 05:16:32 pm »

i love the scene where Jack in a bubbly way is describing how they can get their little cow&calf operation--"her dad would give me the down payment just to get lost, he as much as said it!" He's happy and thrilled while he's talking about how others put him down and humiliate him, but he doesn't let it get to him, not one bit!

Front-Ranger · « **Reply #75 on:** September 22, 2006, 12:52:33 pm »

I'll bet if they had their little cow&calf operation, it would have eased Ennis's longing for his little girls, having a huge number of female bovines to take care of!!

Brokeback_Dev · « **Reply #76 on:** September 24, 2006, 11:49:12 am »

I love Jack's eyelashes when he blinks several times the second night in the tent as he takes Ennis' hat away right before he kisses him so tender but with a hunger... During the renion kiss, I love Jack's eyelashes and the look of a love struck boy when Ennis pulls apart from him and begins to walk away. Jack stands there just kinda awe struck at what just happened his eyelashes long ...and sadly i love Jack's eyelashes when he's crying in his truck after being turned away from Ennis after his divorce came through...the song A Love That Will Never Grow Old his playing on the radio...

moremojo · « **Reply #77 on:** September 25, 2006, 04:58:28 pm »

Quote from: Front-Ranger on September 22, 2006, 12:52:33 pm

I'll bet if they had their little cow&calf operation, it would have eased Ennis's longing for his little girls, having a huge number of female bovines to take care of!!

I've been thinking on this observation, or musing of yours, Lee, and it intrigues me in how it suggests that part of Ennis longed for the feminine, and not necessarily in a sexual way. Jungian psychology articulates how we all have masculine and feminine aspects to our personae, and a well-balanced person has both complementary aspects integrated within themselves. Ennis, a very masculine character, was drawn to Jack, who to my mind exhibits both the feminine and masculine within himself. During the course of the story, Ennis learns bit by bit from Jack's example, and becomes more expressive and nurturing as a result. And, as his daughters are, apart from Jack, the great loves of Ennis's life, a strong feminine presence will remain in Ennis's ken for the remainder of his existence. What might be lost is the fulfillment of the masculine yearning exemplified by Jack.

Just thinking out loud...

JT · « **Reply #78 on:** September 26, 2006, 01:11:08 am »

I love the way Jack leans his face against Ennis' hand in the "dozy embrace" scene. They look so peaceful together and Jack is savoring every minute of it.

Kazza · « **Reply #79 on:** October 06, 2006, 09:14:42 am »

Quote from: atz75 on July 22, 2006, 11:49:54 pm

Great detail. The tire on Jack's truck is one of my all-time favorite details in the movie.

That always reminds me of a bull pawing the ground and snorting - especially as we know Jack's longing to be a major rodeo star.

Karen

ednbarby · « **Reply #80 on:** October 06, 2006, 12:44:43 pm »

Along the lines of Jack being a comfortable dancer, I love how comfortable in his own skin Jack is. Even when he is treading lightly with Ennis because he knows he has such a low startle point, he never appears the least bit insecure (with the exception of the post-divorce scene, and I think that's what makes it so heartbreaking to me).

Quiet confidence is probably the most attractive human trait to me - even moreso than a good sense of humor and intelligence, although those are tied for a close second.

Penthesilea · « **Reply #81 on:** October 06, 2006, 06:33:47 pm »

Quote from: ednbarby on October 06, 2006, 12:44:43 pm

Along the lines of Jack being a comfortable dancer, I love how comfortable in his own skin Jack is. Even when he is treading lightly with Ennis because he knows he has such a low startle point, he never appears the least bit insecure (with the exception of the post-divorce scene, and I think that's what makes it so heartbreaking to me).

(emphasis added by me)

I beg to differ: when they part after Brokeback, Jack is highly insecure (not that it is not understandable).
With Lureen in the bar: it is her who makes the first move. She even jokes about it (waitin' for a mating call?).
When he returns next summer to Aguirre's trailer and Aguirre conftronts him: he is brave, but alarmed and nervous and sure not comfortable in his own skin (again: understandable).

To follow the rules:
I love when Jack is wearing the bandana (e.g. when he comes back to camp and Ennis isn't there). God, that bandana makes him even hotter

He should have worn it all the time.

Sheriff Roland · « **Reply #82 on:** October 06, 2006, 07:11:45 pm »

Quote from: Penthesilea on October 06, 2006, 06:33:47 pm

To follow the rules:
I love when Jack is wearing the bandana (e.g. when he comes back to camp and Ennis isn't there). God, that bandana makes him even hotter He should have worn it all the time.

Those rules went out with the decline in interest in these threads - I don't hold anyone to them anymore - but I appreciate being able to read more ways we love our characters.

BTW, looking at some of Tom of Finland's early 60's work, they (bandanas) were quite the "hot gay" thing to wear in those days - don't know if the general population thought it sexy, but Tom's work seems to confirm a "period/era" reality to the perception that bandanas worn on the neck was sexually attractive/masculine.

Then came the leather (aaaah)

ednbarby · « **Reply #83 on:** October 06, 2006, 07:21:24 pm »

Quote from: Penthesilea on October 06, 2006, 06:33:47 pm

(emphasis added by me)

I beg to differ: when they part after Brokeback, Jack is highly insecure (not that it is not understandable).
With Lureen in the bar: it is her who makes the first move. She even jokes about it (waitin' for a mating call?).
When he returns next summer to Aguirre's trailer and Aguirre conftronts him: he is brave, but alarmed and nervous and sure not comfortable in his own skin (again: understandable).

I'll give you the first one. But I don't think he even begins to feel insecure until Ennis responds with, "Like I say, me and Alma's gettin' married in November, ... , you?" It's quite similar to the post-divorce scene that way, I reckon. He doesn't begin to feel insecure there until after he says, "So here I am" and Ennis, again, retreats from him.

But I can't give you the second one. I don't think it occurs to him to make any kind of a move with her until he learns of all the money her Daddy has. He's aware she's checking him out, but he's not attracted to her. I kind of think he's hoping she'll dance with someone else and leave him alone until he hears about the money.

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To follow the rules:
I love when Jack is wearing the bandana (e.g. when he comes back to camp and Ennis isn't there). God, that bandana makes him even hotter He should have worn it all the time.

Gotta agree with you *wholeheartedly* on this one. The combination of that slate blue shirt and that faded red bandana with his coloring is KILLER. I swear I feel my heart flutter just a tiny bit every time he first sports that combo.

Penthesilea · « **Reply #84 on:** October 07, 2006, 08:06:06 am »

Hi Barb,

I checked those three scenes on my DVD a few minutes ago.

Quote from: ednbarby on October 06, 2006, 07:21:24 pm

I'll give you the first one. But I don't think he even begins to feel insecure until Ennis responds with,
"Like I say, me and Alma's gettin' married in November, ... , you?"

Well, this in the beginning of the scene. First thing said is: "Give it some gas", then "I can't believe I left my damned shirt up there."
And Jack is clearly uncomfortable about Ennis's remark (no wonder), answers only with a lukewarm "Right"
Next he asks Ennis about next summer. And while doing so (before Ennis's answer about
marrying Alma), you can see and hear in his facial expression and voice his doubts, insecurity and
hopes. He is clearly and understandably anxious about what Ennis might say.

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But I can't give you the second one. I don't think it occurs to him to make any kind of a move
with her until he learns of all the money her Daddy has. He's aware she's checking him out, but he's
not attracted to her. I kind of think he's hoping she'll dance with someone else and leave him alone
until he hears about the money.

Again, I have a different impression. I think he is intrigued by and interested in her sassy appearance before he knows about the money (the looks he gives her along with her hat and in the bar before he asks the barkeeper about her). But if he's indeed insecure or just undecided is arguable. I believe it's both.

Another exapmle: the morning after TS1.

I agree with you that compared to Ennis, Jack is wonderful self-confident. He is remarkably comfortable in his skin measured by his time and upbringing. But "never appears the least bit insecure" - sorry, I still can't agree with that.
"It is my feeling that a story is not finished until it is read, and that the reader finishes it through his or her life experience, prejudices, world view and thoughts." - Annie Proulx
She and Ang indeed gave us a whole lot to fill in with our own experiences etc., didn't they? No wonder after so many months we still find things to discuss and to dis/-agree about.

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Gotta agree with you *wholeheartedly* on this one. The combination of that slate blue shirt and that faded red bandana with his coloring is KILLER. I swear I feel my heart flutter just a tiny bit every time he first sports that combo.

Here ya go:

Sheriff Roland · « **Reply #85 on:** October 07, 2006, 09:53:43 pm »

re: bandanas

Here's the image from Tom of Finland that led me to think of bandanas as a supposedly masculine touch, in the gay world - in the early 60's (of course I'm not completely certain of the date of this image - nor do I think that bandana adds anything to masculinity, in this image)

2 guys in the background are wearing them

Sheriff Roland · « **Reply #86 on:** October 07, 2006, 10:00:15 pm »

And here are two othe images, from Tom of Finland which also uses bandanas, though again, they aren't what I find most attractive about these pics again - I believe that they're from the sixties - but by this time, there's a lot more leather in Tom's pics

JT · « **Reply #87 on:** October 07, 2006, 11:42:16 pm »

Some hot drawings you got there, Roland!

But I just love Jack with his bandana. It's so cowboyish and sexy. And Jack pulls it off quite nicely with his outfit and coloring. He's a "killer" all right.

ednbarby · « **Reply #88 on:** October 09, 2006, 04:56:11 pm »

Quote from: JT on October 07, 2006, 11:42:16 pm

Some hot drawings you got there, Roland!

But I just love Jack with his bandana. It's so cowboyish and sexy. And Jack pulls it off quite nicely with his outfit and coloring. He's a "killer" all right.

I couldn't agree more. And what a way to go.

Penth, I think maybe we're just disagreeing on semantics. I think one can be quietly confident and comfortable in his own skin but yet still be occasionally vulnerable. I think maybe that's what I find so appealing about Jack, and about other fictional characters and real men I've historically been the most attracted to - someone who is generally self-possessed and self-assured always puts me at ease. But someone who has those qualities and yet is too cold-hearted to ever have his soul laid bare by another human being is not appealing to me at all. Always and forever, whenever a character (or someone I know personally) who is confident and assured (without being cocky, of course, because that's a sure sign of insecurity) suddenly looks at the object of his affection with the eyes of a child, I say good-bye to a little piece of my heart. I don't see children as insecure - just trusting and naive in their trust - vulnerable. They're perhaps on the same tree, but different branches in my mind.

twistedude · « **Reply #89 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:34:39 pm »

Penth: Jack does NOT say "right," no matter how recently you saw the DVD, he says "yeah," and it's the most perfect one-syllable lie I ever heard...

Agree that Jack finds Lureen attractive; this is different from being attracted to her.

I don't like hunks, straigtht or gay, but Jack in his bandana is definitely hot. Hey, just try to imagine Jack in any outfit, from any period of history....hot.

twistedude · « **Reply #90 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:50:06 pm »

Just remembered: In "Cruising," there is a whole big deal about what color bandana you have sticking out of your back pocket, and what it means you're in the market for I rather liked "Cruising," (I know many didnh't), but I never could figure out the ending.....

moremojo · « **Reply #91 on:** October 09, 2006, 06:12:59 pm »

Quote from: twistedude on October 09, 2006, 05:50:06 pm

Just remembered: In "Cruising," there is a whole big deal about what color bandana you have sticking out of your back pocket, and what it means you're in the market for I rather liked "Cruising," (I know many didnh't), but I never could figure out the ending.....

I overall disliked Cruising (the one time I saw it on cable TV), and did agree with many of its critics that it was homophobic, but didn't think that the element of a gay serial killer alone made it homophobic (anyone remember the name Jeffery Dahmer?). I remember the scenes involving the color-coded bandanas, and the second of these scenes is one of many that I felt contributed to the homophobic tone of the movie.

As for the ending (possible spoiler warning here), there is the strong implication that Al Pacino's character has become a self-hating homosexual serial killer in his turn. Pacino gives a good performance in this, by the way, but this doesn't mitigate the homophobic tone of the overall production.

JT · « **Reply #92 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:16:46 pm »

Quote from: twistedude on October 09, 2006, 05:34:39 pm

Penth: Jack does NOT say "right," no matter how recently you saw the DVD, he says "yeah," and it's the most perfect one-syllable lie I ever heard...

Agree that Jack finds Lureen attractive; this is different from being attracted to her.

I don't like hunks, straigtht or gay, but Jack in his bandana is definitely hot. Hey, just try to imagine Jack in any outfit, from any period of history....hot.

I agree that Jack says "Yeah" after Ennis said he left his shirt up there. But Jack did say "Right" after Ennis said,"...I guess I'll see you around, huh?" I guess that's what confused us.

I can't agree more on your comment regarding finding someone attractive vs. attracted to someone. To me, finding someone attractive just means that you think they're good-looking but not necessarily that you like them.

I like hunks of either kind and I think Jack looks hunky in that cowboy outfit. It would be interesting to see Jack in different outfit of history, but I think I like his cowboy self the most.

Noviani · « **Reply #93 on:** November 22, 2006, 11:23:00 pm »

LOVE Jack's look when he waits Ennis finished up his home story " that's most words you spoke in 2 weeks!

he knows Ennis is opening up and maybe he is the only one lucky to hear ennis actually talk..

Noviani · « **Reply #94 on:** November 22, 2006, 11:26:01 pm »

Quote from: twistedude on April 22, 2006, 08:26:43 pm

I love the way he finds Ennis's hand so quick without opening his eyes, and the way he looks so calmly at him after Ennis says "what'r you doin'?" and the way he reaches across to grab Ennis's hand at the end of the sex, and so,ebody stop me!

Jack's gifted with good sensoric nerves a guess.

maybe an off topic but a always want to know was Jack hurt on the fisrt sex? seems so quick with no prep...

moremojo · « **Reply #95 on:** December 07, 2006, 02:55:32 pm »

Quote from: Noviani on November 22, 2006, 11:26:01 pm

maybe an off topic but a always want to know was Jack hurt on the fisrt sex? seems so quick with no prep...

In real life, I don't see how someone in Jack's position could not be hurt by the rough tryst we see in that scene--not to be vulgar, but saliva does not good lubrication make. For the story and film's purposes, perhaps we are being implicitly asked to suspend belief a little bit at this moment.

On the other hand, maybe we are meant to infer that Jack did hurt, yet nonetheless submitted to the experience (which he, after all, initiated). He was so attracted to Ennis, and possibly even already in love with him, that even this rough intimacy might have been more than welcome to his mind.

coffeecat33 · « **Reply #96 on:** December 09, 2006, 12:36:42 am »

What I LOVE most about Jack: crooked smile

I LOVE Jack's resilience: He has the capacity to love despite a deprived childhood and the ability to be thrown from a bull, get up, and do it again.

I LOVE Jack's bitching: He makes bitching and swearing into an art form.

JT · « **Reply #97 on:** December 10, 2006, 01:53:31 pm »

Quote from: coffeecat33 on December 09, 2006, 12:36:42 am

What I LOVE most about Jack: crooked smile

I LOVE Jack's resilience: He has the capacity to love despite a deprived childhood and the ability to be thrown from a bull, get up, and do it again.

I LOVE Jack's bitching: He makes bitching and swearing into an art form.

Damn! He's really hot in this pic. I love his crooked smile too and his huge capacity to love another person.

Noviani · « **Reply #98 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:08:53 am »

Hello Moremojo!

thanks for the view. yeah i guess so. $:-\$ about the pain I mean. but i bet he had longed for such intimacy since few days before.

anyway,

I Love Jack for: his patience and endurance. just take the post-divorce scene..if that happened to me, i might have been evaluating my whole relationship...and just sink for disappointment.

but not our hero Jack

xxx

ifyoucantfixit · « **Reply #99 on:** December 15, 2006, 04:56:28 am »

i love that jack likes things with a low startle point...the bouncy mare, and ennis..and was determined to tame both of them....

i love jack when he is contemplating something, and sticks his tongue in the corner of his mouth and looks so sexy and puzzled...

insane-romantic · « **Reply #100 on:** December 19, 2006, 05:25:39 pm »

I love that Jack is the one and only thing that makes Ennis really smile

Noviani · « **Reply #101 on:** January 02, 2007, 12:02:42 am »

Quote from: insane-romantic on December 19, 2006, 05:25:39 pm

I love that Jack is the one and only thing that makes Ennis really smile

tHIS IS REALLY, REALLY CUTELY AND SWEETLY SAID...

mvansand76 · « **Reply #102 on:** January 02, 2007, 09:56:28 am »

Quote from: coffeecat33 on December 09, 2006, 12:36:42 am

Sigh... poor Jack, so full of love, longing, positivity..... Jack truly is the symbol of pure love....

Noviani · « **Reply #103 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:09:23 am »

Quote from: mvansand76 on January 02, 2007, 09:56:28 am

Sigh... poor Jack, so full of love, longing, positivity..... Jack truly is the symbol of pure love....

Agree, is it me, or i don't think i find other male character in stories that has these characters. let alone the patience and commitment!

mvansand76 · « **Reply #104 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:48:06 am »

Quote from: Noviani on February 02, 2007, 10:09:23 am

Agree, is it me, or i don't think i find other male character in stories that has these characters. let alone the patience and commitment!

Me neither...

Noviani · « **Reply #105 on:** February 07, 2007, 01:31:02 am »

I love Jack when he doubt Ennis' old truck can make it to his place (when Lureen asked why not Ennis visits him once).

so thoughtful..Jack always has a good knowledge on what's going on with Ennis.

Front-Ranger · « **Reply #106 on:** February 07, 2007, 01:41:08 am »

And also for the first reason he gave, "Because the Bighorn Mountains are not in Texas." Jack would never think of fishing with Ennis anywhere else than Wyoming. He had his priorities in the right place!!

BillyBobcat · « **Reply #107 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:06:27 pm »

Jack's Harmonica:

<http://www.volcano.net/~jackmearl/>

--Bob/BillyBobcat

moremojo · « **Reply #108 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:10:47 pm »

Quote from: BillyBobcat on February 26, 2007, 01:06:27 pm

Jack's Harmonica:

<http://www.volcano.net/~jackmearl/>

--Bob/BillyBobcat

I received a miniature version of Jack's crushed harmonica for my recent birthday anniversary! :)One of the loveliest gifts anyone could give me; it's now hanging with my two miniature cowboy hats on the wall over my bed.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #109 on:** April 29, 2007, 11:42:19 pm »

I love Jack for being bold and confident enough to sing at the top of his lungs in front of a guy he has a developing crush on.

loneleeb3 · « **Reply #110 on:** April 30, 2007, 01:07:38 pm »

I love Jacks crooked smile. The way his lips draw up to the right.

I love how he ropes Ennis when it's time to leave and how he tries to calm Ennis down when he realizes Ennis is angry during the fight scene.

I love how he gently takes Ennis hat away in the 2nd tent scene.

I love how he looks at Ennis as he rides away after the Dozy Embrace.

Aw hell, I just love Jack!

mvansand76 · « **Reply #111 on:** April 30, 2007, 06:03:01 pm »

I LOVE JACK FOR BEING JACK!!!!!!!!

moremojo · « **Reply #112 on:** April 30, 2007, 06:33:15 pm »

I'm not sure exactly where this post belongs (mods, feel free to advise), but as this is a Jack thread, I thought it might be germane here. The following URL provides the link to a photograph of Prince Lennart of Sweden with his father Prince Wilhelm (Prince Wilhelm is at the right). Prince Lennart here really reminds me of young Jack Twist (Annie's Jack, not the movie's), though Jack at this age would not have been quite old enough to have been entrusted with sheepherding on a mountain (with its accompanying adventures). I think it's the far-off, dreamy expression on the Prince's face that helps bring Jack to mind:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs3/wilhelmsweden1884-15.jpg

loneleeb3 · « **Reply #113 on:** April 30, 2007, 06:56:10 pm »

Quote from: moremojo on April 30, 2007, 06:33:15 pm

I'm not sure exactly where this post belongs (mods, feel free to advise), but as this is a Jack thread, I thought it might be germane here. The following URL provides the link to a photograph of Prince Lennart of Sweden with his father Prince Wilhelm (Prince Wilhelm is at the right). Prince Lennart here really reminds me of young Jack Twist (Annie's Jack, not the movie's), though Jack at this age would not have been quite old enough to have been entrusted with sheepherding on a mountain (with its accompanying adventures). I think it's the far-off, dreamy expression on the Prince's face that helps bring Jack to mind:

http://worldroots.com/brigitte/gifs3/wilhelmsweden1884-15.jpg

Ya know, oddly enough I think you are right!

loneleeb3 · « **Reply #114 on:** May 02, 2007, 01:36:55 pm »

I love Jack "for he loved a little dog"

I also love Jack outside the Charity Dance sittin on the bench all dressed in black! He's such a hottie!

OH! How could I forget!!! I LOVE the way Jack leans on his Truck in the begining in front of Agurries trailer.
Damn he looks so sexy there. He looks down and mouths somthing to himself. Does anyone know what he says?

mvansand76 · « **Reply #115 on:** May 02, 2007, 03:51:32 pm »

Quote from: loneleeb3 on May 02, 2007, 01:36:55 pm

I love Jack "for he loved a little dog"

I also love Jack outside the Charity Dance sittin on the bench all dressed in black! He's such a hottie!

OH! How could I forget!!! I LOVE the way Jack leans on his Truck in the begining in front of Agurries trailer.
Damn he looks so sexy there. He looks down and mouths somthing to himself. Does anyone know what he says?

*Swoons* Oh I agree, that leaning on the truck is a classic scene, he is so devilishly sexy here, my sister and I were gasping the first time we saw the movie!

That's what I love about Jack too, he is so sweet and almost naive in how sees the world, but on the other hand he has this almost devil-like sexiness about him... Mmmm... the perfect combo in a man...

moremojo · « **Reply #116 on:** May 02, 2007, 03:55:05 pm »

Quote from: loneleeb3 on May 02, 2007, 01:36:55 pm

I love Jack "for he loved a little dog"

Lee, this line from Annie's original story was the inspiration for my very first Brokeback-related haiku:

Little dog in coat
Gray-white sheep seeking mountain
Blue boy seeking love

loneleeb3 · « **Reply #117 on:** May 02, 2007, 04:00:22 pm »

Quote from: moremojo on May 02, 2007, 03:55:05 pm

Lee, this line from Annie's original story was the inspiration for my very first Brokeback-related haiku:

Little dog in coat
Gray-white sheep seeking mountain
Blue boy seeking love

Wow Scott!
That's great!
So few words but it says so much!

RodneyFL · « **Reply #118 on:** May 04, 2007, 08:34:48 pm »

I LOVE JACK when he gives Ennis the quizzical look and tells him that he doesn't know what the Pentecost is, after practically screaming "Water Walking Jesus."

And I LOVE JACK when he practically growls at Ennis, offering him another shot of whiskey after Ennis tells him that he hasn't yet had the opportunity to be a sinner. BTW, an early version of the screenplay actually has Ennis say that Alma hasn't yet given him the opportunity to be a sinner. I prefer the final version that makes no reference at all to Alma. Thank YEEOOOOU!

mvansand76 · « **Reply #119 on:** May 05, 2007, 05:02:52 am »

Quote from: RodneyFL on May 04, 2007, 08:34:48 pm

I LOVE JACK when he gives Ennis the quizzical look and tells him that he doesn't know what the Pentecost is, after practically screaming "Water Walking Jesus."

And I LOVE JACK when he practically growls at Ennis, offering him another shot of whiskey after Ennis tells him that he hasn't yet had the opportunity to be a sinner. BTW, an early version of the screenplay actually has Ennis say that Alma hasn't yet given him the opportunity to be a sinner. I prefer the final version that makes no reference at all to Alma. Thank YEEOOOOU!

I didn't know that! I love that line too, and the expression on Jack's face, he doesn't even try to hide it!

RodneyFL · « **Reply #120 on:** May 05, 2007, 11:56:00 am »

I LOVE JACK when he responds to every single time Ennis pushes one of his buttons, teasing him, especially the quasi-rodeo ride and the harmonica.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #121 on:** May 06, 2007, 04:28:36 pm »

(This is related to Rodney's latest post). I love Jack for recognizing that Ennis really needed some humor, goofiness and lightheartedness in his life.

ifyoucantfixit · « **Reply #122 on:** August 07, 2007, 02:51:54 am »

I loved Jack and his eternal ability to "shake it off" move on ie. The Thanksgiving quarrel with L.D.

Delmardeb · « **Reply #123 on:** August 12, 2007, 12:04:37 am »

I love the close-ups of Jack's face when he lovingly looks at Ennis ride off. I also love when he puts his head down in the DE, love how he tells off L.D., and I love when he says to Lureen-"I never gave any thought," after she asks him why husbands don't never want to dance with their wives.

I love how he was willing to take a chance to live the "sweet life" with Ennis regardless of society's homophobia.

I also love the fact that he was a nice and caring young man.

Noviani · « **Reply #124 on:** August 16, 2007, 04:29:34 am »

i love Jack

for his strength, and in the same time, his weakness,

to choose living such hard life in order to keep the love of his life.

Front-Ranger · « **Reply #125 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:07:21 pm »

One thing I couldn't understand about Jack is why he kept those shirts hidden lo those many years. I don't think Jack could've kept them a secret very easily. It must have been very hard for him. He probably kept the shirts at Lightning Flat instead of Childress because otherwise he would have been tempted to bring them out and show them to Ennis and/or his wife or Randall.

ifyoucantfixit · « **Reply #126 on:** November 24, 2007, 09:39:25 pm »

I love how Jack took Ennis's offer to switch...
Even though that wasn't what he was looking for.
He was saying he wanted for both of them to stay in the camp...
He realized he had stepped in it,,,,and then had to agree.
"It was a case of be careful what you ask for...."

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #127 on:** January 29, 2008, 12:46:20 am »

I love Jack because he loved Ennis through it all...

Artiste · « **Reply #128 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:33:11 pm »

May I second you atz75!

Jack was patient...
and loved Ennis.

Keep care,

hugs!

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #129 on:** January 30, 2008, 09:32:30 pm »

I love Jack for the joy he found in his own music (harmonica, singing)... and that he felt the urge to share these things with Ennis.

loneleeb3 · « **Reply #130 on:** January 30, 2008, 09:37:35 pm »

I love Jack because he saw all the reasons why and never the reasons why not!

mvansand76 · « **Reply #131 on:** February 01, 2008, 10:37:16 am »

Quote from: loneleeb3 on January 30, 2008, 09:37:35 pm

I love Jack because he saw all the reasons why and never the reasons why not!

ifyoucantfixit · « **Reply #132 on:** February 01, 2008, 04:15:08 pm »

I love Jack because he brought us all to this place.

Brokeback_Dev · « **Reply #133 on:** February 02, 2008, 09:10:55 pm »

I love Jack because he becomes a handsome middle aged man still in love with Ennis

myprivatejack · « **Reply #134 on:** February 11, 2008, 11:19:40 am »

I love Jack because he´s a dreamer,but also a fighter.

Brown Eyes · « **Reply #135 on:** April 28, 2008, 10:19:44 pm »

I love Jack because he knew that a life with Ennis was worth risking everything.

Front-Ranger · « **Reply #136 on:** May 09, 2008, 12:21:50 pm »

...because he said, "It could be like this, just like this, always."

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