Bush appoints anti-birth control fundamentalist to run family planning program

[delalluvia]

So exactly when does "a bunch of cells' become a baby? Killing is killing, there is now way past that.

When it has a brain.  I think - last I read - that's about 6 months or so?  Otherwise it's just a bunch of cells developing and dividing.

Killing is just killing.  What does that mean?

[jpwagoneer1964]

When it has a brain.  I think - last I read - that's about 6 months or so?  Otherwise it's just a bunch of cells developing and dividing.

Killing is just killing.  What does that mean?

At Conception is when itl's a baby, the cell are living thing. And it is no picnic for women, causing al lifetime of regret, sorrow that really can't be taken back.

[delalluvia]

At Conception is when itl's a baby, the cell are living thing. And it is no picnic for women, causing al lifetime of regret, sorrow that really can't be taken back.

Yes, the cells are living.  So are tumors.  Living cells.  I'd hardly call them babies though.  It is no picnic for women, causing a lifetime of regret and sorrow that can't be taken back, but at least she's the only one suffering.  She brings a child into this world, the child would suffer with her.

[jpwagoneer1964]

Yes, the cells are living.  So are tumors.  Living cells.  I'd hardly call them babies though.  It is no picnic for women, causing a lifetime of regret and sorrow that can't be taken back, but at least she's the only one suffering.  She brings a child into this world, the child would suffer with her.

Ever hear of adoption? Why would the child suffer? The woman had a chance at living to and here child had none?

[delalluvia]

Ever hear of adoption? Why would the child suffer? The woman had a chance at living to and here child had none?

Again, I'm talking an early term abortion.  Not a child.

[Sheriff Roland]

You have to accept that the "child to be" is the mother's responsibily. Her "Choice" is the one she will have to live with, and should not be dictated by other "opinions" (& that's all we have to offer here) as to when a human being begins life.

One hopes that the choice for or against abortion is a well informed one, but it MUST remain a woman's choice - not a religion based politically imposed decision.

You two have been very vocal in expressing your views, but people, they're merely that ... views, opinions.

Now let's respect that we have differing opinions.

Sheriff Roland

[jpwagoneer1964]

But there is no difference. Sorry. I think we both got our points across.

Mark

[delalluvia]

You have to accept that the "child to be" is the mother's responsibily. Her "Choice" is the one she will have to live with, and should not be dictated by other "opinions" (& that's all we have to offer here) as to when a human being begins life.

One hopes that the choice for or against abortion is a well informed one, but it MUST remain a woman's choice - not a religion based politically imposed decision.

You two have been very vocal in expressing your views, but people, they're merely that ... views, opinions.

Now let's respect that we have differing opinions.

Sheriff Roland

Well said,Roland.  Most of us have polarized views on the topic, but the main issue is that one POV should not supercede anothers.  If women want to have abortions, for whatever reason, it is STILL their body and there should not be others dictating laws against their having one based on their own belief systems.

And I do believe one needs a brain to be a person.  I believed strongly that that poor lady Terri Schiavo died 15 years ago.  The 'who' of her died with her brain, while the 'what' of her still lived on.  To me, it's just that simple.

[jpwagoneer1964]

And I do believe one needs a brain to be a person.  I believed strongly that that poor lady Terri Schiavo died 15 years ago.  The 'who' of her died with her brain, while the 'what' of her still lived on.  To me, it's just that simple.

The problem with that argument is that when a woman is pregnant it is no longer just her body.

[injest]

So women can use abortion aas a means of birth controll? Sorry doing preinancy it's not just her body.

yes you said that is your opinion already.