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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 07:35:33 pm »
Hi--I suppose Ennis hadn't the time, inclination or maybe even the money to get his headlight fixed. There was a game played in northern California  about 1953--when two people were out on a date, and one saw a one-light car, he/she/he would try to say "Pedille!" before the other, and was supposed to be rewarded with a kiss.

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yeah, 1953...I'm 71.
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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 08:36:36 pm »
Sounds sorta like the game we played while driving when I was a kid called "Punch Bug."  Anybody heard of that one?  Whenever you saw a VW bug, whoever yelled "Punch Bug!" first got to punch the other person in the arm.  I grew up with some mighty bruised arms.
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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2006, 08:52:38 pm »
Sounds sorta like the game we played while driving when I was a kid called "Punch Bug."  Anybody heard of that one?  Whenever you saw a VW bug, whoever yelled "Punch Bug!" first got to punch the other person in the arm.  I grew up with some mighty bruised arms.

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Barb, I remember that game. But we didn't punch each other in the arm. We simply counted the number of VW bettles we saw. It was very easy to do. Back then there were so many of them. It seemed as if every other person on the road was driving a VW beetle. Because of this we would sometimes choose a certain color of beetle to count instead. It was a great way to help pass the time during our many trips from Indianapolis to Cincinnati. 2 hours can be a very long time to a 10 year old stuck in the back seat of a car.
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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2006, 09:11:08 pm »
First of all,  WELCOME ABOARD!     :D

    Wow!   I was just thinking about Ennis and that truck with the burnt out headlamp today!

   I'm not sure if it was intentional or not.   I can almost here the property master telling Ang Lee that there is a delay in filming because the lamp was burned out, then Ang shouts :" NO! that is perfect!   It shows how poor Ennis is." 

 Or perhaps Ang Lee was using the one lamp to represent that Ennis was going thru life with one eye closed????

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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 10:20:10 pm »
Welcome Kallyn!

the more you watch BBM, the more you spend a quality time in BetterMost, the richer the experience is.


There is always a new reason to re-watch!

visit Lighter side and fantasy scene. they are fun (once you get over the grief...)

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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2006, 10:26:44 pm »
For many of us, the movie's impact really hit after the movie ended.  For me it was coming home in the car from the theatre.  I was stunned silent.  The next morning in the shower, I fell apart and started sobbing.  It was an incredible and profound experience for me.  I spent at least a week wandering in a complete daze in shock.  No movie ever hit me the way Brokeback did... not even close.  I posted a message of the stages of coming to terms with the film which I hope new folks may find useful.
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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2006, 10:38:59 pm »
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2) Right before Ennis starts trying to beat that guy up outside of the bar, he pulls up in his truck and it only has one working headlight.  There's gotta be a reason for that, right?  It doesn't seem like anything in this movie is insignificant.

Here is the IMDB discussion on the burned headlights/taillights.

I (Balrog over there) gave an argument as to why there is no way these cars would have burned lights unless it was deliberate.

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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2006, 10:55:36 pm »
Let me add my welcome to the chorus already here...  And Front Ranger beat me to it, but I'll say it again... Want a cup of coffee don't you?  And a piece of cherry cake?


I agree quite a bit with what's been said here so far - that Lureen keeps lightening her hair, literally, to try to feel attractive/get Jack's attention and figuratively, to me, because she symbolizes fire and her hair getting lighter and lighter is symbolic of her fire going out and turning to ash.

This is my favorite interpretation of Lureen's hair situation.  I love, love, love, the idea that she goes from red and white to black and white by the end.  Gradually her reds get watered down and the impact really is something like fire dwindling to ash.  I'm not so sure her desire to dye her hair as to do with getting Jack's attention.  I think she wants attention, yes, but in a general sense.  I think she's resigned to the distant relationship with Jack quite early on. 

Kallyn, there are all sorts of fun discussions all over the place about the different colors that seem to be associated with different characters (those are big topics and I'm sure you'll have fun discovering all those nuances).  Lureen's hair is a really good detail to notice.

And, congrats, I hadn't heard the headlight discussion come up before either.  You're certainly correct that almost any detail you can think of in this movie/ story is loaded with potential significance.
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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 12:12:50 am »
Kallyn, welcome!

I am a not so frequent poster anymore who misses my time spent here at Bettermost.  The headlight observation is also totally new to me.  As to the hair, I agree (or defer) to the other posters on this thread.  As to the "I'm Sorry/S'allright" debate, I have to weigh in.  Heath's lips DO NOT move - Jake says "S'allright" three times.  Just my take.  I still love everyone who thinks they hear Heath say "Sorry" - but it's fantasy IMHO. 

As a HUGE proponent of the story, may I suggest you get a copy and read it?  I hope you enjoy it as much as I have!  I know you can order several different versions on Amazon.  If I was good with these things I'd provide a link; as it stands, I'll have to leave that courtesy to some other member more technically skilled than I.
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Re: newcomer from HBO with some questions!
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 12:23:35 am »
I don't know if the original story is still available online... I think it may have been taken down due to copyright issues.

I'm not sure I would recommend the story immediately after seeing the movie for the first time (even though I'm also a huge fan of the story). The story is so short, and so deliberately unsentimental... I think a lot of people have found it disappointing after going through the emotional wringer of the movie. Maybe it's better to let the movie's power run its course, and then deal with the story.

(But for anyone who's obsessed enough to want everything, the Brokeback Mountain: Story to Screenplay book has both the original short story and the movie script, plus essays by the screenwriters and Annie Proulx... and Annie Proulx's essay, in particular, is a fantastic read.)
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