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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #130 on: January 12, 2007, 10:03:04 am »
You all are scaring me a little because I have NO idea what you all are talking about.

I think I'm too stupid for this thread.  :-\

Maybe if I reread it another 100 times I'll understand it a little.  :P ...  :)

Naaah don't be put off MR is a fantastic read and TLOTW is an excellent book.  Kerry is answering very fully my question about homosexuality and exactly what that means in terms of the culture and times in which MR set these stories.  My point is, just to provoke debate, is that MR never created a character that we in todays society, would term as wholly Gay (considersing she was gay herself) - there was always the "get out clause" of this is the culture of the times etc.  I think this was because she may have feared a backlash from modern society at the time of publishing.  Bagoas (The Persian Boy), who was mentioned earlier was a captured prince and was castrated as a youth just entering puberty.  He had very little choice about how to gain sexual pleasure he was "created" as a sex slave by the act of capture and castration so he has an "excuse".

My point of debate is - do we think MR was avoiding creating a "gay" character even though all her books use homosexuality as a key theme.  Might be a bit too soon to debate this, lets see what people think as the progress further through TLOTW  ;)

Enjoy it, I certainly did.

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #131 on: January 12, 2007, 10:09:50 am »
now there is an idea!! LOL!

we need some pics!!
Well you did ask!

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #132 on: January 12, 2007, 10:11:24 am »
now there is an idea!! LOL!

we need some pics!!

Funny you should say that. Here's what I imagine Big Daddy may have looked like:



(the Praxiteles Hermes c.330-320 BC)
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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #133 on: January 12, 2007, 10:14:25 am »
Or maybe Daddy Dearest looked like this:



(the Apollo Belvedere - Roman copy of Greek original)
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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #134 on: January 12, 2007, 10:17:44 am »
Professor Kerry, would you please comment on the significance of "The Old Man" ?

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #135 on: January 12, 2007, 10:17:50 am »
Here's how I imagine the Rhodian might have looked (minus the crown):

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2007, 10:24:15 am »
Interesting pictures...please keep them coming...they add to the discussion and stimulate my senses !!!

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #137 on: January 12, 2007, 10:32:48 am »
Or maybe Daddy Dearest looked like this:



(the Apollo Belvedere - Roman copy of Greek original)


I think he models for a Herm so it would be more of a Hermes / Eros look (Eros isn't that intersting  ;) ) The Herm was often just depicted as a phallus, so again something to consider about the skills of MR.

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2007, 10:33:37 am »
Professor Kerry, would you please comment on the significance of "The Old Man" ?

Well now, Doug, you know I just can't wait to get stuck into dear Socrates. However, I know if I start now, I won't be able to stop! And as it's just gone 1.30 in the morning here in Sydney Towne, I'd better get to bed before the sun starts peeking over the horizon. I've just had a Baileys nightcap and my bed is calling to me. So I'm off to the Land of Nod. Saturday tomorrow and I will post a few comments about Socrates.

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Re: Mary Renault Book Discussion
« Reply #139 on: January 12, 2007, 10:39:31 am »
Sweet dreams...the "Old Man" I was asking you to comment on is " The Old Man" who becomes Alexias' friend at school.
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