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Offline Brown Eyes

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #300 on: September 11, 2009, 03:17:10 pm »
I didn't mean that Ennis had hopes in the motel scene. I meant that Jack had.

Apart from that I agree with you re Ennis. I don't think that the idea of building a life with Jack
ever even occured to him.
He might have wished he could see Jack more often, but having a life with him? No, that wasn't
within Ennis's frame of reference.

I don't think Ennis married Alma and wanted to stay with her just out of convention. I think he really
wanted to have a family, what he had been bereft of at too early an age.

I think Ennis may have liked the idea of having a family in an abstract sense.  Yes, he wanted children and he liked the idea of fitting into the conventional picture of a family (I think a desire to conform to a kind of convention is a big part of this for Ennis).  But, I don't know how happy the reality of that lifestyle was for him.  Clearly his specific experience of living with Alma wasn't particularly joyful (for either of them).



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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #301 on: September 11, 2009, 03:32:54 pm »
No, it wasn't particularly joyful for either of them.

But I don't think Ennis really expected anything better than that,
he wasn't a man with high expectations on life.
He settled for what he got. "I'll stick with beans".

Alma, otoh, wanted and expected something better, hence the divorce.

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #302 on: December 03, 2009, 12:07:02 am »
I wonder why Jack left so easily in the post-divorce scene.  Watching this a few times, it seems like he kind of gave up without a fight.  Ennis gives a few lame excuses, the visitation with his girls, etc. and then Jack just say OK see you next month and leaves.  After driving all that way to stay for only a few minites?  Why not protest right then, or say meet up with you later, something.  It seems like his leaving was so abrupt.  This was such an awkward and heartbreaking scene.  The entire vibe of the movie changes after this.

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #303 on: December 03, 2009, 12:28:34 am »
I think he feels foolish, he has totally lept to a conclusion and he was off base. And I think he knew, Ennis would never commit.
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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #304 on: December 03, 2009, 12:32:41 am »
I think he feels foolish, he has totally lept to a conclusion and he was off base. And I think he knew, Ennis would never commit.

yeah, I think he tried to save some of his own pride. He must have felt pretty foolish standing there.

I think this is one of the most cruel scenes in the entire movie.

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #305 on: December 03, 2009, 01:11:30 am »
Heya!
It's fun to see this thread seeing some new action. 8)

And, yes I agree that he probably left quickly because he felt foolish and super disappointed.  And, clearly he was also probably flat out mad at Ennis and/or so heartbroken that he may not have wanted to be in Ennis's presence too long.  Maybe the tears we see in the truck ride back south were already threatening and he didn't want to cry in front of Ennis.

And, yep, definitely a cruel scene.  The whole second half is so hard to watch sometimes.

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #306 on: December 03, 2009, 05:50:50 pm »
Foolish and embarassed.  I think Jack thought Ennis wouldn't bother to send him a postcard saying he was divorced unless it meant something in regards to the two could now be togather or an invitation for him to come right away.

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #307 on: December 03, 2009, 05:54:54 pm »
I agree. As I recall, we could see Jack's face turning a bit red, and then when he was in the car driving, it became more red and blotchy. Jake deserved the Oscar for this scene alone, IMHO.
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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #308 on: December 03, 2009, 05:58:21 pm »
Foolish and embarassed.  I think Jack thought Ennis wouldn't bother to send him a postcard saying he was divorced unless it meant something in regards to the two could now be togather or an invitation for him to come right away.
yeah, absolutely.
And just think of the hours Jack has spend driving to get there. 14 hours at least. Time enough to make up a lot of different scenarios and plans.
Poor, poor Jack.

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Re: A Ninth Viewing Observation
« Reply #309 on: December 03, 2009, 10:35:00 pm »
It just seemed so abrupt, like he gave up so quickly.  I wonder why he did not say "are you kidding me?" or somehting to that effect, but I guess it had to be feelings he saved for that big blowup argument later on the mountain.  It was really heartbreaking.  The contrast of him singing in the car on the way up and then crying on the way back - so gut wrenching.