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My passion for BBM - the ultimate (so far) story
« on: April 18, 2006, 04:12:09 pm »
Further to most of my threads on IMDB having gone lost, courtesy of some damned troll, I found it necessary to recreate part of my lost thoughts on the peaceful pages here at Bettermost.
So, if you don't mind, I'll try to recreate how my passion for this story began.
Part 1
For me it all started on the evening of Saturday, Sep. 17, 2005. I was having dinner at some friends, and while chatting over a nice meal our landlady very briefly mentioned the fact that, quite surprisingly, the Golden Lion at the Venice Film Festival had gone to an unknown “gay cowboy” movie. Sign of the times: these days all the good family values have gone lost, was the subliminal text that I read in her speech and eyes! I didn’t say much on the subject, not knowing anything on Brokeback Mountain nor Annie Proulx, but somehow – and I can’t understand why – the following day I found myself actively browsing the internet in order to gather the most information on what was now becoming a rather inexplicable form of obsession. Soon I had located some info on the plot, the short story, the director and the actors. Jake Gyllenhaal: how do you spell that name? Heath Ledger: who’s ever seen that one? Really: I had never heard about them as their movies, so far, hadn’t been that much well received in Italy in order to grant their names “household” status.
I subscribed to IMDB on the following monday, Sep. 19, and soon tried to locate more and more information on this story which was becoming more and more intriguing as time passed: I had the feeling that somehow, and in more than one sense, this story had similarities with my own life experience, and I felt a strong feeling of relationship with those two souls.
Within one week, through Amazon, I had ordered Close Range, the book which contains Brokeback Mountain as the final short story, and as soon as it had arrived, it had been devoured. What I read was so painstakingly beautiful that I felt the need to re-read it over and over at least three times in only a few days, each time better understanding the passages and the hidden feelings that Annie Proulx had so beautifully been able to put on paper through her sharp and focused writing.
A number of passages had simply blown me awa. In particular I loved the closing phrase: There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can’t fix it you’ve got to stand it. Now that I knew the book, and in my mind I had already created my own characters, based upon Annie’s depictions, I was definitely ready for the next thing: seeing something closer to reality.
But the movie was still a long way to go, at least for my needs.
Browsing thouroughly through the net, I was able to notice that BBM was coming to Italy towards the end of January, 2006. Too much waiting and I simply couldn’t waste all that time. Solutions? Well, I just happend to be planning a short vacation in NYC and ChiTown at the beginning of December, and by chance BBM was going to be officially released in the Big Apple on Dec. 9.
Great, then: my vacation would have been highlighted by the vision of BBM, right on its first day of going public. That morning it was snowing a lot in NYC, and I remember walking Broadway from the Penn Station all the way up until reaching the Loews Theatre at Lincoln Square. I was there at around 10.15am and yes, BBM was there. All the tickets for the evening viewings had already been sold, but there were still places available for the 11.15am viewing, the first “commercial release”. Even better! I could be among the privileged earlybirds to see it...
- end of part one (to be continued, if you liked it)
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 04:29:16 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 04:53:37 pm »
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if you liked it
I like.
Thanks a lot: I greatly appreciated that. Just give me sometimes - it's quite late here and I'm tired - and come back in a few days for the second part of my BBM story. Buona notte!
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2006, 02:44:02 am »
luigival,

Liked it too...more please.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2006, 03:08:13 am »
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Thanks a lot: I greatly appreciated that. Just give me sometimes - it's quite late here and I'm tired - and come back in a few days for the second part of my BBM story. Buona notte!
Luigi

Sweet Dreams my friend we'll be looking forward to the next installment in your story.

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2006, 09:12:05 am »
Dear all,
here's the second part of my own BBM story:

I’d say the Loews theatre was almost 70% full, with a good mix of viewers. As soon as the movie began, it was as if I was seeing scenes I had already seen before, only enriched by the magnificence of the landscape, the masterful directing and the beauty of the actors – and I refer not only to the two main characters, but to their wives, children and most other players in the movie as well: I found almost everybody playing in BBM either beautiful or handsome -. Truly, almost every scene on screen had been meticolously recreated according to what Annie Proulx had imagined, and all the added items fit so perfectly that I couldn’t have imagined anything different.
I greatly enjoyed the public reactions along the development of the story: there were laughs at funny events - especially at the scene when Aguirre spots the two guys “fighting” after the second tent scene -, and you could feel the sorrow when things began to go the sad way.
After all the titles and both “The Wings”, “He was a friend of mine” and “The Maker makes” had finished, people slowly began leaving the theatre, and you could feel how anybody there had been touched by the movie. You didn’t see tears around, but you felt people had been deeply hit.
I left as well, with a strange sensation in me: I had liked it greatly, though I missed a part of the dialogues - not being a native speaker - but overall I was feeling a strange form of confusion. Was I expecting to be moved as much as to cry? Maybe, but it hadn’t happened. Was what I had seen a faithful reproduction of my own experience? Not really, though there were similarities, as along my life there had been periods when I had been feeling an exceptionally strong attraction - mostly intellectual, but I don’t deny it had been physical too - for a very good friend of mine, in circumstances not too different from those described in BBM. But life makes you review your thoughts, reposition your priorities, decide what can be right or wrong - maybe? -, and that had been a number of years before. So what? In the last few years I had been quietly living my single existence filling it with lots of different interests, so why should I care too much about an old story.
Overall, was I happy with my life in general? Yes, no doubt. Well, ehm, maybe...
I left, continuing my journey through NYC, and not thinking much - or perhaps trying not to think much - about BBM. The following day I arrived in Chicago and at a point, while walking in the city centre, the whole story began to resurface in my mind in all its powerful beauty and tragedy. In a few minutes I was swept away, unable to think to anything else but to this classic and tragical story of impossible love. Why? This was the first time I was experiencing the phenomenon I now call the BBM long-distance effect. It never hits me immediately after the viewing: on the contrary, after having seen it I feel somehow relieved, but after a few hours, or on the following day, and often for a number of days afterwards, I feel wrecked, as if the soul of the story has somehow subsided into my brain and worked out a slow chain reaction on my neurons...
Well, useless to say, the following days were a series of emotional ups and downs, with thoughts on the story continuously resurfacing along the day. I had never imagined a movie could harm me lke this. All too soon I was back to old Europe, glad for both the vacation and for having had the privilege of having been one of the first viewers of what I had now elected as my all times favourite movie.
But BBM fever, that Leslie Nicolls has so well depicted in one of her great posts, had hit me so deeply that I was now feeling the need to know more about the movie, the author, the actors and so on. Above all, I was beginning to feel the sensation that I had actually known both Ennis and Jack, as if they were two real friends of mine. I bought the Italian translation of the short story, in order to better understand a number of passages that still were not completely clear to me, and became an aficionado visitor as well as a poster at IMDB. Please note that I had never, never been posting anything on the internet in my previous 45 years of existence.
Christmas was now approaching, and BBM was now being released throughout the U.S.A. and England, but for the Italian public it was still a long way to come, its release date having been announced as January 18, 2006. And how long would it have been before it could reach the town where I live? Could I wait such a long time without seeing BBM again?
- end of part two, soon to be continued -
« Last Edit: April 22, 2006, 04:30:51 pm by luigival »
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2006, 09:45:20 am »
Argh!  End of part 2???  I'm hanging on your story here luigival.  Beautifully written and riveting.  I can't wait for the next installment.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2006, 09:50:37 am »
Thanks Chris,
will do my best to continue my BBM saga soon. Luigi
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2006, 01:10:30 pm »
I can't wait for the Italian chapter! The Western is always being reinvented and coopted for the good by the Italians and now by the Asians. It's too bad if the Italians don't recognize BBM as having Sergio Leone among its progenitors.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2006, 09:38:38 am »
And here we are with part three or, the first Italian Chapter:

I had to, though, and I did eagerly wait to see it in my own language, in the meantime continuing to visit the IMDB site, often posting there.
January came, and BBM started to flourish on Italian cinema screens in major cities, as expected, generally being quite well perceived by the public, though without much talking about it.
It happened that I was planning to go to Catania, Sicily, on January 27, for a business meeting. A quick check made me aware that on that day BBM was being screened in two different cinemas there. Well, this was beginning to present itself as a non-missable opportunity: watching BBM in Sicily could have been somewhat of an interesting ethnical experience.
Having finished working at around noon, and my flight home leaving at 10.30pm, I had plenty of time for getting into town, leisurely strolling until 5.30pm, in time for the first show.
The theatre was an old one - seemingly built in the sixties - in a back street in the old area of the city, and quite a big one with a seating capacity of more than 800 in the viewing room allocated to BBM. I was there by 5.00pm, as soon as the theatre had opened, and to my surprise I was the only one sitting for the first ten/fifteen minutes. I was feeling quite a strange sensation and could actually choose and change any place I wished, finally opting for a central seat giving me the best possible viewpoint of the screen. Only then a handful of other viewers slowly came in: a couple, two singles, and two very chatty ladies in their mid-sixties.
The two ladies took their seats two rows behind mine and continued incessantly talking quite loudly for the remaining 15 minutes that were left before BBM actually began. After 10 minutes I already knew almost everything about their family’s average income, their more recent health problems and their relatives status: very interesting! They were two of those “very much” traditional Southern Italian ladies, who meet on weekends at the cinema, and love gossiping about the neighbours’ behaviour and so on, so I was truly amazed when I heard one of them questioning the other: “Di cosa parla ‘sto film?” (What does this movie talks about?), the reply that came being “Non lo so! So soltanto che ha vinto il Leone d’Oro a Venezia, e quindi deve essere un bel film” (Don’t know! I only know it won the Golden Lion at Venice, so it has to be a good movie).
Jeez! So these two ladies who were probably even afraid of pronouncing the word “gay” had ended up unknowingly at seeing the most debated wide-release movie in recent times. I felt this was going to be really an interesting ethnical experience!
At 5.30pm the viewing started, and while the story unrolled I could still hear from time to time the two ladies chatting behind me, although much more quietly, now.
BBM was great, even though dubbed in Italian. True, you lose a part of the emotions when a movie is dubbed, but Italy has a long-standing tradition of great movie voices (quite often very fine actors themselves) and this applied to the Italian voices for Ennis and Jack too.
After the first tent scene, the two ladies completely stopped talking. Ang Lee has opted for quite a shocking approach to the beginning of the love story between the two guys, a real initiation ritual to a “new life” which always takes by surprise the first-time viewer, and that was even more accentuated in the case of these two ladies, who were now probably questioning themselves about what could possibly go on afterwards.
During the short interval between the two parts (in Italian theatres movies are still usually cut in two, allowing for a two/three minutes break), no comments were there to be heard.
As for me, I loved this viewing: at the last meeting scene I didn’t cry, but happened to feel misty eyes, the images of that desperate final hug and those of hopeful and young Jack contrasting so much with the bitter looking of a much more mature, and disillusioned Jack, being too much to bear.
Too soon BBM was over: time to leave.
Nobody in the theatre was speaking, and the two ladies looked quite proven and wrecked.
I’m sure the spirit of BBM had hit and got them good as well.
- end of part three, tbc –
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2006, 08:57:54 am »
Just bumping as yesterday I added the third chapter, but apparently no one noticed
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2006, 09:21:12 am »
Just bumping as yesterday I added the third chapter, but apparently no one noticed

Whoops, you're right luigival - somehow, no notification.

LOL - This is a great episode, those poor ladies didn't know what hit them, just divine.  But I wonder what happened to the gossip on the way out?  Changed somehow???

One serious question though, I know that when I watch non-English films I always prefer to listen with the original dialogue with subtitles rather than hear a dub.  I do this a lot on DVD, and I check the sound before going to the cinema.  I know you said that you have great voice-actors for this job, but do you really have the same level of enjoyment in both versions given that you can understand both English and Italian?
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2006, 09:57:31 am »
You're right Chris!
the original - particularly in this case - is always better, so I prefer to see it in English (check out the next episodes to know more about my viewings in France).
Nevertheless the Italian public has been spoiled a lot by the tradition of dub for decades, so everybody expects the easy understanding bonus that only dub guarantees.
Ciao for now,
Luigi

PS: have NO idea about what those two ladies gossiped after seeing BBM... Maybe they were able to relate the story to some people they knew!
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2006, 09:22:57 am »
And here we are, with part four (the French Chapter) of my very personal story with BBM.

As usual, in the days immediately after the viewing, I mingled with what were now my well known BBM-fever symptoms, mixing melancholy with sadness and regrets for all the opportunities I had missed along the road, and fighting with an overall difficulty in bearing all the burdens that everyday’s life continuosly brings forward, unabling us to think to what we really would like to.
But, something good was starting to blossom as well: My old time passion for cinema, which I had put aside for quite a number of years, was starting to resurface again. BBM had been such a great theatrical experience that ever since I saw it, I have been trying to go to the cinema as much as possible, as well as subscribing to Sky in order to make up part of the time lost in the last few years. The Motorcycle Diaries and Donnie Darko are just two of the “jewel” movies I saw recently - I had missed them when they were released – and they are already part of my best movies list.
But, back to BBM, I was soon to get a new theatrical experience. It happened that I was planning a few days in Nice, France, for a mix of business and pleasure, and BBM had already been released there and running in two different theatres. One cinema was offering the original version, the other the French dubbed one. I could even make a choice of language: great!
A quick check on the Allociné website enabled me to check the voices in the French-dubbed trailer: didn’t like them too much, so once in Nice I had no doubts: I would have opted for the original version again.
And there I was, at the “Cinema Rialto”, for the late viewing of February 8. No more than 20 viewers attending, and a very heterogenous mix of them. I’m quite sure most Niçois went to the other cinema, offering the French version. It was a “funny” public, participating in the story - pity we suffered two interruptions due to “technical” problems with the projector - and everybody around me - I had two gals behind my row, and a party of three guys to my left – really seemed to be deeply emotionally involved in what was happening on the screen.
Two days later I was there again, bewitched by the power of BBM, this time for the early afternoon viewing at 2pm, along with no more than 15 other viewers. This was possibly the saddest viewing I happened to take part, as a number of spectators started sobbing towards the end of the movie, and by the time the end titles were running a young lady was desperately crying.
I just sat there, as if I had been glued to my seat, feeling a huge burden on me, the voice of Rufus Wainwright singing the last lines of The Maker Makes, and almost unknowingly I decided to stay there, viewing BBM once again, two times in a row: I could do nothing else, but review it again immediately: it was an urgency I could do nothing but fulfil. Another first in my life!
And each viewing was bringing to me dozens of small details that Ang Lee had scattered here and there, and that I had missed in the previous viewings, but were all important to a better, if not complete, understanding of the story.
Overall I had the impression that truly in France BBM had been appreciated and loved. French people always seem to have a great relationship with romance. Ah, l’Amour!
- end of part four -
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 10:54:34 am »
It's still interesting luigival, keep it up mate.  I particularly found the French-audience reactions cool to read.
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2006, 01:25:25 pm »
Final installment, or part five of my BBM Saga: the second and final Italian experience.

A new trip to Catania in mid February provided the much needed chance to go back to that old and big cinema, for a new viewing. BBM was still playing there, but had been moved from the large viewing room - now dedicated to “Walk the line” - to the smaller one, and only another five viewers were there besides me.

But the true, genuine surprise, came when finally BBM arrived at the cinema in the town where I live, here in Sardinia. We were now already in mid March, and I was able to get to the local theatre with a movie buddy: my only shared BBM experience so far. Didn’t expect too many viewers that late afternoon, but when we got to the theatre where also Prime was playing, to my great surprise, we had to actually queue for entering as everybody seemed to be heading for BBM, leaving Prime almost deserted.
More or less 120 viewers were there, the cinema being almost full, and quite an interested and well-responding public too. My friend, a straight married guy, was caught by the story and liked it greatly: he confessed me he had preferred the first part of the story, with its Eden-like atmosphere. Pity the theatre operator cut almost completely the end titles, parting us from the two final songs. On exiting the comments I heard from anybody else around us, male or female, were enthusiastic:“Bello”, “Molto bello”, “Bellissimo”. Somebody was even calling friends on the cell phone to say how a beautiful movie BBM was. I couldn’t hear a single bad comment. And right on exiting, I met a colleague and his wife, whom I discovered had been somehow recently caught by a slight form of BBM-fever as well. For them it was the second viewing, and they both hadn’t anything else but enthusiastic words for the movie and the story. We laughed at a funny episode as they had bought a few days before an illegal copy of the DVD (which has not yet been released here in Italy), from a Napolitan guy. As they had imagined, though, it turned out to be a completely unviewable fake registered by using a cell phone during a viewing session at a cinema! People from Naples always surprise me for their creativity... At a Naples cinema where BBM was playing, they even invented the marketing glitch that to whoever declared being gay, entrance was free!!
BBM stayed at the local cinema here for the whole week, and I think was quite a success, but I didn’t have a chance to wiew it again.
Two days ago I finally received my original DVD copy, pre-ordered almost two months ago at Play.com - think shall inform that colleague to buy it - so can now cure my BBM fever at home, though the disease is now beginning to gradually fade away, somehow. Time and everyday life are undoubtedly the best cure for any kind of disease.

And so now here I stand, continuing my journey through life, sharing that feeling of some open space between what I know and what I try to believe. Forever.

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2006, 02:05:26 am »
Well done Luigi, thanks for sharing your story.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2006, 01:04:34 pm »
Grazie Chris!
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2007, 11:26:57 am »
Luigi's story, and he still comes back to post another chapter every once in a while...every four effing years months!
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2007, 06:26:27 am »
Luigi's story, and he still comes back to post another chapter every once in a while...every four effing years months!

Yeah Lee, thank you so much for remembering me and requoting my story! Saw once more BBM yesterday evening - still on this month here in Italy on Sky TV, which has devoted the cover page of their monthly program guide to our beloved movie, electing it as the movie of the month -. Good to see BBM is still going so strong and making people still speak of it.
I wish I knew how to quit this story, ...but I can't!
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