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Mentionning before, during, after or now (present day), YOU teenager in the sixties (or other time to be stated please), had brother(s) and/or sister(s), many or none??

Please also included in which country, part of it, etc., you lived in, and are now in, etc.; as details are requested.
How did that brothers and or sisters or none, made you what you are now??

Puzzled by the film Brokeback Mountain as well as to-day's life, wondering how having brother(s)' and/or sister(s)', affected you in the sisties and/or now.


Be wonderful to know... that.

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Am puzzled as to why no one answered this so far.


Would like to relate this to my life.

And to the Brokeback Mountain film too, afterwards!!

Awaiting your answers,

Hugs!!

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Artiste....you would get more responses if you would tell us about yourself...how old are you? You live in Canada?

I live in Texas myself and I am a woman, 41 years old

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I was a teenager in the 60's.  Grew up in Houston, Texas.  Have a brother that is 20 monhts older, and a sister that is 9 years younger.

How did they affect my life...... my brother taught me how to fight ! ;D  For some reason, we really weren't close growing up.  Still aren't that close now... but we do stay in touch and see each other several times a
year.   My sister... being so much younger... I was always the protector.  The care giver  and nuturer.  I didn't then, and don't now, let anyone mess with her.  Unfortunately, I think it made her too dependent.
I have no children, but spoil the hell out of my nieces and nephews.  I am an easy makr for them !!
I learned compassion from an Aunt . 

Being a nurturer.... BBM broke my heart.  I wanted Jack and Ennis to be happy.  I lived through the 60's, and understood their fears.  I have an Uncle who is gay... and to this day has never "come out" to anyone but me.  BBM made me so sad for his lonely life. 

Karen

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Wow! Wow!
Thanks injest!
Thanks keren!

Wow, wow, two ladies!!

Where are the men??

1. Am happy with your answers ladies!!

2. Injest, since you are a younger lady, wonder if you will understand that I was a teenager in the sixties? Would you have trouble with that? Did you have trouble with the sixties of Brokeback Mountain, may I ask?

3. Keren1129, you are a young lady too!! Guess that you have less trouble re-seing the sixties? In yourself? In Brokeback Mountain? What is it that your uncle never came out, yet? He did to you, why or how??

Neither one of you have to answer me. I would be grateful, if you will... somehow.

Since I was asked to talk about moi, I will briefly for now. I am in the sixties years of age, lived in the USA (many places) and in Canada (different places there too). I consider myself a gay man, but am sad more and more,
and want to be much more happy again as I was a bit or used to smile often in the sixties. I did have a girlfriend and had sex with her at times, mutually... (I guess like Ennis and/or Jack did); we are still great friends and no sex now!! Maybe I am bi-sexual, think not... nowadays!! I have lost my job (teaching since criminals took over in the schools); lost my house as had to give it to foreign criminal (which I fought for over 20 years against them) (even my uncle lost his 2 bussinesses to 'mafia' in California, otherwise these criminals take it: you like it or not); and had to fight four criminals sent against me all at once, because I refused to let my house go for that criminal so that he was to open up a crack-house in my house in a good neighbourhood, (God protected me as the killers taught I was dead since I went unconscious). If this is too much top hear all at once, I am sorry. You now understand how broken is my back as in the Brokeback Mountain film??

Hugs to you and all.

Be very happy to get your news and that of others too!!

Guess that no men answered my question so far, as it is easier for ladies to be emotional and talk, than it is for men??


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I am 59.  My uncle is only 65.  Not a big age difference !!  16 years between him and my father.
My uncle had a good life, worked for an airline and lived in San Franciso.  He had a couple of relationships.
He became ill (not with aides) and had to move to back to Texas because he needed help from the
family.  He now lives alone, is blind and  unfortunately , most of my family is homophobic.
I don't know how I became so liberal ! :)
Sad thing is.. the family knows it anyway.... he just hasn't confirmed it.  It is a Ennis like situation.
I ain't queer......  this can't be..... it is wrong.  his older brothers have not treated him very well.
I am alone.. but  I have known love........  I don't believe he ever let himself have that.
Ennis in a trailer.....  with regrets !  That is the tragedy.

Karen

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Wow!
Thanks very much karen1129!!

Your uncle is nearly my age! Since I did live in the 3 main gay areas in San Francisco, I wonder if I ever did see him.
I do not remember one working for an airline there...oh yes, some for airlines, but was one living in San Francisco? Trouble is with us gays is that not many asks questions as to what king of work you do! And when I ask, many refuse to tell me! And sometimes I refuse also to say... as I know that criminals pretend to like gays or be gays!!

Pray that your uncle will be better and better, and happy too!!  Great that he had a couple of relationships!!
Maybe he will again? !!

As in the Brokeback Mountain film, one does NOT declare that you are homosexual or gay, then nor now even if you were teenagers in the sixties!! These are unspoken words or worlds! There are exceptions as more do open up and feel safer.

But the world is still not safe for gays, not in USA nor Canada yet, not that much. I lost my partner/lover two years ago because the muslim doctor in the hospital refused to help my friend because my friend was christian or jewsih and/or GAY!! I feel he was killed on purpose!

Many, too many, gays are killed on purpose because they are gay!! Murderers, most, get away with it!! Unfortunate!! If there is gaydar, there is also the opposite for killers, because murderers figure easily if you are gay, and know gays are easy targets!! Sad, sad!!

Even to-day, most straights are homophobic to different degrees, sad thing!! Quebec is most and was the first open to gays in Canada, even are for gay mariages, but recent survey show it is NOT yet acceptable for men to kiss. But for two ladies to kiss is OK! Why?

Since you are a lady, may I ask why is it so easy and so acceptable for two ladies to kiss in public, but NOT for two men (homosexual or heterosexual)??

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I don't know the answer to that.  I really don't see women kiss in public.... maybe a peck.. but rarely.  I'm not much for public displays of affection from Het's or gays. A think a peck is nice, holding hands, arms around each other.  I have seen gay men walking down the street holding hands here.  I think it is sweet to see anyone holding hands.  I know the world is still homophobic. ... not like it was in the 60's though.  Still have a long way to go. 

I remember in high school, these two girls that were in a relationship.  I remember thinking it was no big deal to me.  You can't tell someone who to love.  I am straight, and was raised in a religious home, and have debated this many times.  I just don't understand why it bothers people.  Just seems like a waste of their time !!
People just need to get over it and move on.  Sadly, some don't.

Karen 

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Thanks karen1129!!

Wow, wow, your answers are like you asking me.... and yet great!!

Wonder how you found out about the two girls in your school?? Since I never heard of that in my high schools... in the sixties!! Neither the word homosexual nor lesbian, and these were public schools! And I became very popular and would have known, likely!! But my last year, I went to a dance at another high school and one tried to sell me drugs... as I saw that he broke in the school too easily duping janitor(s) he said for he made duplicate keys!!
There were no drugs nor violence in my high schools, nor any anti-homosexual actions nor pro-ones!! People (students and teachers) tried to be happy and helpful then and not to kill others!! So, you understand why am asking how you found out, especially you being a straight girl: you found out about the lesbians??

If you see now men holding hands at times, then you are in Toronto, in the gay village??

Yes, you are right that we then and to-day were not much for public display of affection!! Is that changing and getting worst?? Or will get worst?? Public affection is still too rare? Will there be less and less, to a dangerous point??

You must be a relative of the actor Jake G. since you care like him: You can't tell someone who to love! Congratulations!!

You are amiable and loveable!!

Somehow, you solved something for me too, and you have my thanks!!

Wonder why you debated that (2 girls in a relationship) as you say?? May iI ask?

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Yes, I was a teenager in the 1960s and grew up in the backwards Midwestern part of the U.S. I am bisexual, the oldest child in my family, and there was an older child, a male, who was a miscarriage. So, if you believe that nurture is important, I am proof of that. I tried to become the eldest son that my parents mourned and missed.

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Thanks Front-Ranger!

Am exhausted and will reply tomorrow.

Please remind me then,

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Sweet dreams, Artiste!
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Thanks Front-Ranger!!

I slept reasonably well!  Hope you did too!!

Am wondering why you use the word: mourned? Pray describe that, OK?

I am also the oldest of 7 children!! So would be very happy to get to know your sixties era, your life then and now.

You considered yourself bi-sexual then and now?? Because I do NOT consider myself bi-sexual, never did!! I guess so about that:  even if I had sex with one woman many times whom I still befriend (no sex now with her),
I know that I am ONLY a gay man!! So, your answers are touching!

You think many men are bi-sexuals?? All men?? Maybe??

You say nurture is important. How was your life then? You think that nurturing you had helped you then and now??

So you would have liked too to have an eldest brother??

Your parents (both??) mourned and missed the elder brother?? Still do?? That really affected you?? Wow!!

Why do you say backwards for Midwest US?? Are you there in the Midwest now?

You do not have to answer any of these questions I am posing, you know. Be pleased if you do one or some, or all, when you want and can.

Hugs!!

May I note that it could be that Jack in the film had an eldest brother lost too that way, as in your life. I do not know if I will ever find that or could ask Annie... or another person. However, remaking or doing another as sequel to Brokeback Mountain, do you think that would be great in it? An oldest brother to Jack??

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Thank you for your interest! Well, here goes...

I slept reasonably well!  Hope you did too!! I stayed up listening to BBM Radio last nite too late! That music is addictive!

Am wondering why you use the word: mourned? Pray describe that, OK? My parents often mentioned the oldest son that they didn't have. My mother regretted having a miscarriage. She perhaps felt that she had done something wrong. Later on I found out that miscarriages are very common. My first pregnancy ended in miscarriage too. It's nothing to be ashamed about, but my parents were.

I am also the oldest of 7 children!! I have written more about this in the topic "What was life like in 1963?" I am seven years younger than Ennis and Jack. Other parallels--I am about the same age as Ang Lee, and I attended a Midwestern university majoring in film similar to him. But I did not get to have a career in it! I went into journalism instead.

You considered yourself bi-sexual then and now?? When I was young I was bisexual but now I am married to a man and am a mother.

You think many men are bi-sexuals?? All men?? Maybe??  No, not all men. Many men, and women, have the potential to be bisexual, but their early experiences have a big influence on whether they are attracted to the opposite gender, their own gender, or both. Just my opinion.
 
You say nurture is important. How was your life then? You think that nurturing you had helped you then and now?? I am really not sure about the nature vs. nurture debate. For instance, look at Jack. You would think he would grow up to be a mean sob with that father and that austere home life. But he wasn't, it was not in his nature.

So you would have liked too to have an eldest brother?? No, I just would have liked to be appreciated and encouraged to just be myself. Your parents (both??) mourned and missed the elder brother?? Still do?? That really affected you?? Wow!! Yes, and yes.

Why do you say backwards for Midwest US?? Are you there in the Midwest now? I'm at the edge of the Midwest, and sometimes it seems like things haven't changed since the 1960s!!
May I note that it could be that Jack in the film had an eldest brother lost too that way, as in your life. I do not know if I will ever find that or could ask Annie... or another person. However, remaking or doing another as sequel to Brokeback Mountain, do you think that would be great in it? An oldest brother to Jack?? That's very interesting! Sometimes people have speculated that Jack was adopted because "Ennis did not see much of Jack in either one [of his parents]." People have also speculated that maybe Uncle Harold was his father or brother.

Thanks again for asking these questions!!
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Why do you say backwards for Midwest US?? Are you there in the Midwest now?  I'm at the edge of the Midwest, and sometimes it seems like things haven't changed since the 1960s!!

Sorry, but I just have to throw in a quick defense of the Midwest. Many parts of the Midwest are not particularly backward, and many parts of coastal states are.

It's hard to get much more specific because you didn't say exactly what you meant. But I can say that all of the places I have lived in the Midwest -- especially Minneapolis, but also Chicago and New Orleans (which isn't technically Midwest but is in the middle of the country) are extremely liberal. Admittedly not as hip as New York or California, in the sense of fashion and art and trends and cultural sophistication. But socially and politically, often very progressive. Sometimes even leading the rest of the country in those areas.

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Sorry, but I just have to throw in a quick defense of the Midwest. Many parts of the Midwest are not particularly backward, and many parts of coastal states are.

It's hard to get much more specific because you didn't say exactly what you meant. But I can say that all of the places I have lived in the Midwest -- especially Minneapolis, but also Chicago and New Orleans (which isn't technically Midwest but is in the middle of the country) are extremely liberal. Admittedly not as hip as New York or California, in the sense of fashion and art and trends and cultural sophistication. But socially and politically, often very progressive. Sometimes even leading the rest of the country in those areas.

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Yes, I agree. I loved living in Kansas City! While I was writing that about the Midwest being backwards my fingers became rather ploddish and I wondered if I should change it to rural areas instead. Yup, I should have! Now, where's the champion of the rural areas??  ::)
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Thanks latjoreme!

It is indeed wonderful to know your reflexions!! They are great!!

May I say:
Of the pantings I create, I have done my exhibitions  in New York City, Los Angeles and San Francisco, many times!!

There is less art galleries, exhibitions in California, maybe? Possibly more, I found in Los Angeles, in those days I did, than New York City, in some ways, if you percentage the population!! However, maybe same ratio, in those cities, as elsewhere in the USA and the world!! Unfortunatley, persons throughout the wolrd, do NOT have art on there walls in their homes: not an original painting!! Unfortunately!


I never did have my paintings shown in Chicago and would love to do so... maybe Oprah would help me there? Ha! Ha! She seems to accept gays?

Nouvelle Orleans would be great too, for my paintings!!

Would enjoy sending by mail to art galleries, culturel centres, museums, etc. (even in a house show?), in the Midwest, too!! Possible? Or elsewhere?

I think that that is nescessary even, so that gays would be safer in the Midwest and elsewhere in the world!
To that, did you read my comment about my exhibition in Quebec City last year which affected surprisingly viewers (2 persons as lovers)??

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Well, I'm 31, so I wasn't around in the 1960s.  ;D 

But, for what it's worth, I am an only child like the Twists/ Newsomes.  I think it's made me very independent and very introspective. 

I was very lucky because I have a very good relationship with both of my parents.  In a situation like Jack's (where one parent was especially hard on him/ abusive) I can't imagine how difficult that would be.  Obviously, without a sibling there's no buffer between the parents and the child.  As I get older and my parents get older I am growing increasingly worried about how difficult it will be to take care of them on my own when they become elderly.  I think at that point I might wish for a sibling to help out.  But, really I never missed having siblings.

For me, growing up an only child also made me very, very used to socializing with adults pretty young.  There were lots of occasions where I was the only kid at a social gathering that my parents would be throwing.  But, I remember liking that... Sort of feeling like I was being *included* with the adults. 

Assuming that Lureen is an only child, I do sort of relate to her in being extremely ambitious and close to her father in matters of business, etc.  I know I looked up to my Dad a lot in matters of career decisions as I was growing up (although, my Dad and I are in different careers and my Dad is nothing like L.D.).  My Mom was a stay-at-home mother, which is a life path that I did not take at all (not even close).

I wonder if Lureen would have been so close to L.D. if she had a brother... and that of course would reflect more on L.D. than Lureen.  I would guess that L.D. would be chauvinistic enough to have favored a hypothetical son in grooming him instead of Lureen to take over the family business.
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Thanks Front-Ranger!


Your answers to my questions are powerful to me, and surely to others!!

You create writings, publish them too??

Who is Uncle Harold? Where is that in the film? Or in the book?

Uncle Harold might have been Jack's or Ennis's father or brother??

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Thanks atz!!

Wow, your comments are very interesting too!!

The aspects of the girls or women are wonderful, really wonderful!!

Concerning this you said: For me, growing up an only child also made me very, very used to socializing with adults pretty young.  There were lots of occasions where I was the only kid at a social gathering that my parents would be throwing.  But, I remember liking that... Sort of feeling like I was being *included* with the adults. 

In this, you spark too something in me. I now wonder since I think that both of the parents of Jack loved
their son and helped him in their own ways, that that made him socialize, because Jack wanted to do so readily like his mom, as well as had to do so like his dad!! In the film  the mother is amiable, and therefore, Jack seeks easily manyways to love! Also, the father is sad, and Jack is sad too... and somehow the father is loveable (I say in his ways) and therefore, Jack seeks a father in a way finding it in Ennis??

Is my question understandable?

Awaiting your news and that of others,
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Now, where's the champion of the rural areas??  ::)

TJ, where are you??  :laugh:

Nouvelle Orleans would be great too, for my paintings!!

I bet it would!  :)


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Thanks latjoreme!

Last year noted especially, (other years too I guess), persons who never went to art galleries, came to show my exhibition of my paintings!! At two galleries... in two different cities, this happened wonderfully!!


Even those who do go to art galleries but never did to this particular gallery which exists for over 18 years, came just to see my show!! That they said to me!! Wow! Wow!

And that was wonderful!! But a puzzle to me!! So I asked or some stated, why!!
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Artiste, I would love to see one of your paintings, do you have digital images of them you can post, or what subject matter do you paint?

Having been born in 1963, I cannot answer your question about what it was like to be a teenager, I had sister aged 20 and 15 when I was born, my younger sister went thru the brunt of the social upheval of the era, The assassinations, Vietnam, The Draft, Womens Liberation, in her lifetime she had many friend from many walks of life, she could make friends wherever she went.
"It was only you in my life, and it will always be only you, Jack, I swear."

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By the way, where are you from? I am going to take a wild guess and say.......Lebanon.
"It was only you in my life, and it will always be only you, Jack, I swear."

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Do you mean Lebanon, in the USA??

Why do you think that?

Or think otherwise?

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No, I mean Lebanon in the Mediterranean, at first I thought you might be from Quebec.
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Thanks shakestheground!!

Why do you think that?? May I ask regarding those two areas??

Pray tell. What makes you think that??

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Artiste started this thread a year ago! Artiste, your English communication skills have improved so much!! I wish my French were a fraction of what you have achieved in English!

I see that I never answered the question. I was a teenager in the 1960s and I had one younger brother and one younger sister. As the oldest child, I was not only headstrong but also somewhat dominating. I always had a sense of what I wanted to accomplish in life. Nonetheless, it was deflating for me when my mother told me that, because of financial hardship in the family, my brother should be given the chance to complete his college education, while I must drop out, because he would have to support a family later, whereas I wouldn't as a (she assumed) housewife. How times have changed! Instead of doing what my parents wanted, I broke off communication with them, went back to campus, and supported myself thru the rest of my college days. Today, I am the breadwinner in my family and have two teenagers of my own!
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Thanks very much  Front-Ranger!

Be assured that I have enjoyed very, very much your post, your life's story!!

I do not know if my English has improved... since I was terribly in pain after my big operation and it's hard to write therefore then, besides thinking!! Plus, when those four that my former neighbour sent to kill me so he could open up a crack house in my house (which I refused him for that), my bones were so broken and my head smahed with baseball bat and 2 by 4's, glass... that you can understand that you can not sleep and are always in fear, etc., right?? So, how can one write good then in those conditions? I suppose, nevertheless, that my English improves daily since you guys and gals do too by helping me dearly!!

You say:
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I wish my French were a fraction of what you have achieved in English!
 

.......

Front-Ranger (and to all too), I have been thinking lately on starting a daily thread to add French for you gals and gilrs, good idea??


Just a word or a few, every day?

Au revoir,
hugs!   So you write professionally, right?? You are an Annie? Or are you Annie?

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I was a teenager in the 60's.  Grew up in Houston, Texas.  Have a brother that is 20 monhts older, and a sister that is 9 years younger.

How did they affect my life...... my brother taught me how to fight ! ;D  For some reason, we really weren't close growing up.  Still aren't that close now... but we do stay in touch and see each other several times a
year.   My sister... being so much younger... I was always the protector.  The care giver  and nuturer.  I didn't then, and don't now, let anyone mess with her.  Unfortunately, I think it made her too dependent.
I have no children, but spoil the hell out of my nieces and nephews.  I am an easy makr for them !!
I learned compassion from an Aunt . 

Being a nurturer.... BBM broke my heart.  I wanted Jack and Ennis to be happy.  I lived through the 60's, and understood their fears.  I have an Uncle who is gay... and to this day has never "come out" to anyone but me.  BBM made me so sad for his lonely life. 

Karen

my teenage years began 1970 in a small town not far from Houston. guess its a small old world!

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No, I mean Lebanon in the Mediterranean, at first I thought you might be from Quebec.

 :laugh: Lebanon, Quebec hunh?

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Maybe we should or could call Canada (USA, France, England...) Lebanon!

During the last war with Israel, the Lebanese came in thousands into Canada, and the Lebanese were angry since Canada had rented a boat for them (which costs Canada something like 50 millions bucks)!! Even the ones saved by the Prime Minister of Canada who brought them in his airplane were angry, since too many were in it! Etc.!
These Lebanese called themselves Canadians, but once that war was over they went back to Lebanon and left us with the bills to pay!

Why do Canada and other countries accept dual citizenships?? So criminals can steal decent persons born and staying in their native country?

May I dare ask?

Why are teenagers born in the 60's paying for those who are not born in the country?
Guess one can ask?

Au revoir,
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More?

More stories?

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More news?


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More news ?

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Other real story from you ?

Or about another person ?

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Merci DavidInIndy !

You are right that that is unfair !!

No one will save Canada if that happens here in Canada; Lebanon or another arab country will save Canada or the USA ??

And that is only the start of the bill that canadian-born and others in Canada who stay and who pay taxes have to pay !!

Which renders more persons in Canada living in the street !!

Such strangers, only pretending to be citizens, are bankrupting Canada and the USA !!

And more of such cases are unfair too !!

Au revoir, hugs! What do you think?   You have a gay brother or sister ??

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Merci DavidInIndy !

If she is so straight, then maybe you have a gay-like twin somewhere ?

Au revoir,
hugs! Would you like that twin-like person ?

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Are there others here who do ??