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Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« on: April 10, 2007, 04:30:13 pm »
Don Imus.  By now, we all know what he said and MSNBC and CBS Radio have given him a two week vacation for saying it.  But is that penalty enough for the decrepit stable mate, the boneheaded buckaroo with the cowboy hat living in Connecticut, forever stuck in the past of his shock jock days.  Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson want him fired, but with their past, are they any better?  And what about the comments of El Rushbo about Michael J. Fox "faking" his Parkinson's symptoms, Ann Coulter for attacking gay people, 9/11 widows, anyone to the left of Attila the Hun, or "Dr." Michael Savage, who has used every ethnic slur in the book, especially if he thinks they are crossing the border into the United States.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2007, 05:36:42 pm »
I say give him the two weeks. Then let people decide if they want to watch/listen him or not. I certainly never have.

I agree with your post. Many terrible and wrong things get said. Both in the media by the well known and on more personal levels. People should be held accountable for their words if they have said something offensive or plain wrong. I'm just not sure how long this should go on. And lets face it, that stupid Rush and mean, mean Savage stay on the air. I guess some people want to listen to their hate.

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2007, 06:46:10 pm »
Don Imus needs to get his ass fired (pardon my language). What he said was racist and biggoted; border line hate speech in my opinion. It doesn't matter whether such speech targets gay people, African Americans, Native Americans, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, ect.  What he said was rude, disgusting, hurtful and hateful.

The days of trashing people on the radio and television are coming to an end; THANK GOD. Don Imus probably knew better and he chose to say it anyway. And if he didn't know better, then he's too stupid to speak publicly on the American airwaves.

Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh need to have their asses fired too.  >:(  >:(
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2007, 07:19:19 pm »
OK, foreigner here: what did those people say, please?  Sounds bad anyhow???
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2007, 08:16:51 pm »
I hate what he said, absolutely hated it.  He never, ever should have said such an ugly thing about those wonderful and amazing young women.

But somehow it sorta bothers me for people to get fired for saying stupid things.  Even as stupid and horrible and as revolting as that.

I don't know, what if people start getting fired for speaking out against important things, like war and prejudice and injustice?

Where does it end?

Even though I detest things he and others (Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc.) say sometimes much of the time.



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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2007, 08:52:44 pm »
OK, foreigner here: what did those people say, please?  Sounds bad anyhow???

Isabelle, I sent you a pm about it.  :)
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 01:28:15 am »
I can't stand the creep and would dearly love to see him canned, however, Free Speech is Free Speech, censure him for the inappropriateness of his words and be sure he knows that it will not be tolerated but you can't fire him for it.  Personally I think having to meet with those young women to offer a personal public apology will probably kill the old fart anyway.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 03:11:27 am »
Marlene and Dottie:

I agree. It IS free speech. And free speech is one of our rights in this country. But where do we draw the line?

Please understand that the following is not against any of you. I am using it as an example in order to make a point.  :)

What about the Ku Klux Klan? Is that free speech too? The KKK took over the Indiana government nearly 100 years ago.

http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/WWW/ISL/indiana/Klan.html

The Klan's popularity has diminished here over the years, but any observant Hoosier will admit that an occasional burning cross illuminating the Indiana night skies still happens here. Is this free speech too?

If a person chose to hang a banner from his porch declaring "Death To All Fags", should we defend his or her rights to free speech? What about a privately owned billboard on private property, but in plain view of a busy highway which read "Fags Burn In Hell" or "Catholics Are Not Welcome Here"?

Where do we draw the line? People will continue to test the waters of their "rights" until they figure out the tolerated  boundaries.

Free speech is wonderful, and I will gladly die to defend it. But free speech must also be tempered with responsibility. Unfortunately some in this country have forgotten this and continue to push their rights far beyond any reasonable limits.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 06:10:40 am »
Marlene and Dottie:

I agree. It IS free speech. And free speech is one of our rights in this country. But where do we draw the line?

Please understand that the following is not against any of you. I am using it as an example in order to make a point.  :)

What about the Ku Klux Klan? Is that free speech too? The KKK took over the Indiana government nearly 100 years ago.

http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/WWW/ISL/indiana/Klan.html

The Klan's popularity has diminished here over the years, but any observant Hoosier will admit that an occasional burning cross illuminating the Indiana night skies still happens here. Is this free speech too?

If a person chose to hang a banner from his porch declaring "Death To All Fags", should we defend his or her rights to free speech? What about a privately owned billboard on private property, but in plain view of a busy highway which read "Fags Burn In Hell" or "Catholics Are Not Welcome Here"?

Where do we draw the line? People will continue to test the waters of their "rights" until they figure out the tolerated  boundaries.

Free speech is wonderful, and I will gladly die to defend it. But free speech must also be tempered with responsibility. Unfortunately some in this country have forgotten this and continue to push their rights far beyond any reasonable limits.

I agree with David here. I am a staunch supporter of free speech but I agree that it should not be used to promote hatred or contempt towards certain groups.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 07:38:01 am »
I've heard a few interesting points to chew on regarding Imus' idiocy.

1.  Why is he receiving such criticism for using the words he did, when you can
     buy any hip-hop or rap recoding and hear the very same sexist/racist words.  Is
     it OK for some to use that language but not others?

2.  Was it really racist, or was it sexist?  Where are the women's groups, and why
    aren't they enraged, as they rightfully should be?

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 07:47:14 am »
there have been a few cases of women's groups beginning to protest rap music in general for how they protray women. but I have not seen anyone from a national group complaining about Imus. Wonder if they figure that he is getting enough flack for being racist....if so they are wasting a good opportunity.

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 09:08:14 am »
1.  Why is he receiving such criticism for using the words he did, when you can
     buy any hip-hop or rap recoding and hear the very same sexist/racist words.  Is
     it OK for some to use that language but not others?


I agree with you that certain lyrics not just in hip hop but in other genres as well, are sometimes extremely sexist, racist and homophobic. But it comes to music it is hard to prove they're being bigots because they tend to defend themselves saying they're being sarcastic, ironic or whatever. That's the problem with art. I remember a few years ago there was a big controversy within Spanish language music industry with a very popular Mexican rock group, Molotov. They have a song called Puto, which depending on context could mean fag. The song says terrible things about gays, especially the chorus, but has a very catchy melody which helped turn it into a success. A lot of groups accused Molotov of homophobia and of promoting violence against the gay community. The band called a press conference to explain that their song was critique to Mexican government's homophobic actions and violence against gays, and not an homophobic statement on their part. And the controversy was over. Even today I wonder if they were honest. Everytime I come across the song's chorus I can't help to feel they're making a direct attack against the gay community.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2007, 01:05:23 pm »
The points raised by everyone here are very valid and a shining example of why I insist that his words no matter how offensive to the majority of us are protected by free speech.  The freedoms given to us by the Constitution are for everyone not just the folks we like, the words we like, the opinions and beliefs that we like but for EVERYONE.  It's advanced citizenship and like most tough issues involving a moral dilemma (like the death penalty) the answers are not easy but censorship of any kind is not the answer.  Censorship is a slippery and treacherous slope we DO NOT want to start down, the consequence will be fatal to the freedoms we hold so dear.

David, You ask where do we draw the line?  My answer is that free speech by it's very definition says there is NO line.  The idea being that no person, no ideology, no corporation, no government has the right to regulate what you think, feel or say.  It is our morality that governs speech and we must all accept that their are individuals whose moral compass points in a different direction than our own and they have a right to speak.  They have a right to know that their homes, families and livelihood are not in jeopardy because they hold and share unpopular opinions and beliefs just as we do.

The words of people like Imus, Limbaugh, and Phelps, to name a few, make my blood boil but I truly believe in the concept of free speech so I support their "right" to say what they think but like wise I have the right and responsibility to challenge their speech and their assumptions whenever I can as publically as I can.

These are tough issues and we won't solve them here but it is fascinating to read everyones thoughts on the subject.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2007, 02:30:43 pm »
Ultimately I suppose we can only hope people will boycott Don Imus once he returns to his rat nest  at MSNBC. I also hope CBS and MSNBC don't decide to drop this and forget about it. It may be free speech, but people like Don Imus, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter are abusing it. They may have the right to say it, but we also have the right to not listen to it, and CBS/MSNBC has a right to not air it.

I guess this is the best we can hope for, isn't it?   :)
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2007, 02:41:28 pm »
I think the title of this thread is racist, actually.

Imagine the backlash and anger to a thread (or radio host) saying "...stupid black men" as an all-encompassing label based on one person's comment/opinion.


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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2007, 05:40:39 pm »
I think the title of this thread is racist, actually.

Imagine the backlash and anger to a thread (or radio host) saying "...stupid black men" as an all-encompassing label based on one person's comment/opinion.

Just so you know, the title was taken from a quote Imus made on one of his appearances, saying his program was just a bunch of stupid white men talking trash.  Imus is just as willing to attack himself as others, which is part of his routine.  Hence the title.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 06:50:48 pm »
Just so you know, the title was taken from a quote Imus made on one of his appearances, saying his program was just a bunch of stupid white men talking trash.  Imus is just as willing to attack himself as others, which is part of his routine.  Hence the title.


which makes the whole mess sort of nonsensical given the total 'no reins' behavior on how badly everyone speaks about everyone else these days. the constant trash-talk leveled against nearly anyone (from the President and Pope on down) suggests to me that this is largely, although not completely, about politics and not personal hurt.

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 07:17:28 pm »
The points raised by everyone here are very valid and a shining example of why I insist that his words no matter how offensive to the majority of us are protected by free speech.  The freedoms given to us by the Constitution are for everyone not just the folks we like, the words we like, the opinions and beliefs that we like but for EVERYONE.  It's advanced citizenship and like most tough issues involving a moral dilemma (like the death penalty) the answers are not easy but censorship of any kind is not the answer.  Censorship is a slippery and treacherous slope we DO NOT want to start down, the consequence will be fatal to the freedoms we hold so dear.

David, You ask where do we draw the line?  My answer is that free speech by it's very definition says there is NO line.   The idea being that no person, no ideology, no corporation, no government has the right to regulate what you think, feel or say.  It is our morality that governs speech and we must all accept that their are individuals whose moral compass points in a different direction than our own and they have a right to speak.  They have a right to know that their homes, families and livelihood are not in jeopardy because they hold and share unpopular opinions and beliefs just as we do.

The words of people like Imus, Limbaugh, and Phelps, to name a few, make my blood boil but I truly believe in the concept of free speech so I support their "right" to say what they think but like wise I have the right and responsibility to challenge their speech and their assumptions whenever I can as publically as I can.

These are tough issues and we won't solve them here but it is fascinating to read everyones thoughts on the subject.

but the Supreme Court has already weighed in that Free Speech does not in fact allow EVERYTHING....you can not yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre, for example. You can not commit libel or slander.

Inciting a crowd of people to lynch someone will get you put in jail real quick too.

Why we give a by to people just because they have a microphone in front of them I don't know.

(and if any of you think rap music is sexist....listen to country for half an hour!)

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2007, 07:53:32 pm »
but the Supreme Court has already weighed in that Free Speech does not in fact allow EVERYTHING....you can not yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre, for example. You can not commit libel or slander.

Inciting a crowd of people to lynch someone will get you put in jail real quick too.


Why we give a by to people just because they have a microphone in front of them I don't know.

(and if any of you think rap music is sexist....listen to country for half an hour!)

Well actually what the Supreme Court determined was that Freedom of speech as outlined in the US Constitution is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment.  It applies to the Government not to private interests.  This is why MSNBC is well within itís rights to cancel and disassociate from Mr Imus for a history of speech which violates itís corporate culture.

I think the problem arises when we take too broad an notice of what exactly is freedom of speech and expression,  The principle of freedom of speech promotes dialogues on public issues, but it is most relevant to speech which is unpopular at the time it is made.  There are several exceptions to this general rule, including copyright protection, the Miller test for obscenity and greater regulation of so-called commercial speech, such as advertising. The Miller test in particular rarely comes into effect.

Within the U.S., the freedom of speech also varies widely from one state to the next. Of all states, the state of California permits its citizens the broadest possible range of free speech under the state constitution (whose declaration of rights includes a strong affirmative right to free speech in addition to a negative right paralleling the federal prohibition on laws that abridge the freedom of speech). More specifically, through the Pruneyard case ruling, California residents may peacefully exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping centers regularly held open to the public.

Historically, local communities and governments have sometimes sought to place limits upon speech that was deemed subversive or unpopular. There was a significant struggle for the right to free speech on the campus of the University of California at Berkeley in the 1960s. And, in the period from 1906 to 1916, the Industrial Workers of the World, a working class union, found it necessary to engage in free speech fights intended to secure the right of union organizers to speak freely to wage workers. These free speech campaigns were sometimes quite successful, although participants often put themselves at great risk.

As for inciting to riot, hate speech and using speech as a means by which great harm may fall other individuals, you are quite right Jess these behaviors and forms of speech are criminal with specific laws in place against them and have no protection under the Constitution.  Slander(harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast) laws, commonly called defamation are more tricky, Defamation law in the United States is much less plaintiff-friendly than its counterparts in European and the Commonwealth countries the person being defamed has the burden of proof to show that what was said is indeed not true and never has been true, he or she also has the burden of proof to show that whatever the slander is was not a matter of public record or knowledge and that they were harmed by the publication of it.  The slander must have been published publically either spoken in public, printed or broadcast.
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2007, 08:18:27 pm »
Dottie, actually I think you and I are on the same page, and I agree with what you say.

On a sidenote: I do agree that people have a right to speak their minds, no matter how hateful, hurtful or awful their words might be. Freedom of speech is one of our most precious rights in this country. I am always very hurt when someone calls me a "faggot" (or other choice words). But I would always defend this person's right to say it to me. In addition, I would even defend his right to shout it out to entire group of people. We will know for certain that our rights as Americans are gone when people are imprisoned for voicing their opinions.

BUT.....

I don't think people have a right to voice intentionally hurtful and hateful comments on the publicly owned airwaves. This is a gross abuse of a Constitutional right.

Arresting and imprisoning Don Imus for his comments would be an example of denying him his American right to free speech. Firing him for such comments would not be. He has a right to say it. But he should be ready to suffer the consequences should he decide to say it.

I am an accountant for a counseling center. If I went to work one day and cried out "All mentally ill people should be imprisoned or deported", should I be surprised if I was fired for it? What about my right to free speech? But I should be fired, shouldn't I? It was hateful and inappropriate. Not to mention just downright wrong and bigoted.

Now, this is what Don Imus did, but only worse because he did it on the public airwaves. His freedom of speech was not denied to him. He won't be going to jail for what he said. But he should suffer the consequences of making a very stupid and bad decision. 

But, for the most part Dottie, I think you and I agree with each other. We should never deny free speech to anyone, no matter how hateful or stupid it might be.  :)
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2007, 08:34:09 pm »
Dottie, actually I think you and I are on the same page, and I agree with what you say.

On a sidenote: I do agree that people have a right to speak their minds, no matter how hateful, hurtful or awful their words might be. Freedom of speech is one of our most precious rights in this country. I am always very hurt when someone calls me a "faggot" (or other choice words). But I would always defend this person's right to say it to me. In addition, I would even defend his right to shout it out to entire group of people. We will know for certain that our rights as Americans are gone when people are imprisoned for voicing their opinions.

BUT.....

I don't think people have a right to voice intentionally hurtful and hateful comments on the publicly owned airwaves. This is a gross abuse of a Constitutional right.

Arresting and imprisoning Don Imus for his comments would be an example of denying him his American right to free speech. Firing him for such comments would not be. He has a right to say it. But he should be ready to suffer the consequences should he decide to say it.

I am an accountant for a counseling center. If I went to work one day and cried out "All mentally ill people should be imprisoned or deported", should I be surprised if I was fired for it? What about my right to free speech? But I should be fired, shouldn't I? It was hateful and inappropriate. Not to mention just downright wrong and bigoted.

Now, this is what Don Imus did, but only worse because he did it on the public airwaves. His freedom of speech was not denied to him. He won't be going to jail for what he said. But he should suffer the consequences of making a very stupid and bad decision. 

But, for the most part Dottie, I think you and I agree with each other. We should never deny free speech to anyone, no matter how hateful or stupid it might be.  :)

EXACTLY you and I are most certainly on the same page. Would it piss me off if I heard some jerk call you a faggot? HELL YES!   Would I be sorely tempted to rip his tonsils out?  YOU BET!   Would I tell him what a small minded foul mouth jerk he is?  IN A NEW YORK MINUTE!   But, does he have a right to publically state his unenlightened, ignorant and hateful opinion....Yep he does
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 03:00:00 pm »
it's interesting timing that the Imus controversy is taking place while the so-called Duke rape case has climaxed. Imus' words are clearly not illegal, yet racist, and he will pay a price on a personal level (most generally econonmic). What's interesting to me is how the Imus affair is being played by the media as a far greater story and racial "offense" than the a outrageously horrible racist bigotry that befell the young men from Duke. These men have endured (and will likely continue to suffer) racism comparable to a 19th century lynch mob, yet we see the country focused on Imus and his stupid line that in actuality harmed only himself.

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2007, 04:48:47 pm »
I heard an interesting radio commentator (ok so he is a sports commentator possesing the Republican brain of a gnat with a lobotomy), who took exception with the Admins and the coaches of the school for "parading" those girls out there in front of the press.  Guess everyone has an opinion...good or bad...it is free speech...almost as misused as free will.

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2007, 05:05:37 pm »
 ;D

So they did have the cajones to do it...good for them
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 05:30:05 pm »
hey scott, I am not understanding your points or the two together....whose cahones and for what?

by the by, sports commentators may not be so bright (who are we do judge?), but most of the media with democrat brains share in the same size malady you mentioned, it seems to me. thanks!

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2007, 05:55:23 pm »
;D

So they did have the cahones to do it...good for them

cahones or Cojones? Un buen par de huevos!  ;D
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2007, 06:05:54 pm »
I think we should remember this is not the first time Don Imus has done something like this. He has promised several times in the past to correct himself. He has apologized and made it clear it would not happen again. How many chances should he have? Sooner or later people are going to realize the man is not serious nor sincere in his apologies. He offers a half ass apology to get himself off the hook and within a short period of time he turns around and harshly insults someone else.

He calls himself a shock jock, and maybe he is. But there is a fine line between shocking people and outright bigotry. Once again, Don Imus has crossed that line. It's difficult to forgive someone continuously when it is apparent his or her mea culpa is not sincere and ultimately the person has absolutely no intention of amending their behaviour.

Don Imus has repeatedly insulted African Americans, Gays, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, handicapped people, heavy set people, women and foreigners, just to name a few.

As I pointed out to Dottie, I fully support and would gladly defend his right to Free Speech. But when he uses the public airwaves to advance his bigotry, he should be prepared to suffer the consequences of his actions. The man deserves to be fired. He got what was coming to him. And I applaud the actions of MSNBC and CBS. Hopefully others will think twice before they try to pull a stunt like this in the future.
 
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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 10:44:21 am »
Agree, David, and so do hundreds of other so-called entertainers do the same things day in, day out...and they are only encouraged. Imus got nailed because of his sponsors walking. It's a money thing, like always.

Here's a link to an editorial by a black columnist from the Kansas City Star that nails the issue pretty darn on the head, imo, thanks!

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html


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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 10:58:54 am »
hey scott, I am not understanding your points or the two together....whose cahones and for what?

by the by, sports commentators may not be so bright (who are we do judge?), but most of the media with democrat brains share in the same size malady you mentioned, it seems to me. thanks!

Actually I was referring to the fact that CBS pulled him off the air.

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2007, 12:24:21 pm »


I agree, with Kaiser, I think censorship, is censorship, and racist, is racist, and i dont agree with the term, some cant be either one, because they are usually the subject of racism, and a minority...I think no matter what a pig is dressed like, it is still a pig...
I also think any kind of censorship is, very dangerous...It starts a notion, that we are going to accept some kinds, and not others...Freedom of speech, which is the real term, means just that...However having said something like that, you then have to be willing to stand the backlash that accompanies it.  I e  getting people to boycott or protest, your behavior, or just outright using the best form of censorship,,,,stop listening to you,



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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2007, 12:36:32 pm »

  I e  getting people to boycott or protest, your behavior, or just outright using the best form of censorship,,,,stop listening to you,

Absolutely right I think.

And as long as it isn't outright extortion.

did you get a chance to read the link I posted earlier? may have gotten buried. here it is:

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2007, 01:17:54 pm »
Agree, David, and so do hundreds of other so-called entertainers do the same things day in, day out...and they are only encouraged. Imus got nailed because of his sponsors walking. It's a money thing, like always.

Here's a link to an editorial by a black columnist from the Kansas City Star that nails the issue pretty darn on the head, imo, thanks!

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html



you got it!

it is all about the money. If he was still at the top of the ratings he would still be there saying the exact same thing.

The silliest thing I have heard so far is one of the girls saying she was 'scarred for life'. If she is wearing her heart that far out on her sleeve she is going to have a hard time in life. And the officials are not helping by telling them they are 'victims'. the focus should be on Imus not the girls.

I have been in counseling groups before and have seen that it is the ones that cling to the "victim' status that never move on in their lives...

and since they have a good start going with Imus...they need to take out a few more of those radio hosts out there preaching hate!

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2007, 02:32:28 pm »
you got it!

it is all about the money. If he was still at the top of the ratings he would still be there saying the exact same thing.

The silliest thing I have heard so far is one of the girls saying she was 'scarred for life'.


the 'scarred for life' part is just the means to adding a few more zeros to the law suit damages.  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2007, 06:26:09 pm »
well I haven't heard anything about the team suing him.

I think there are a lot of people out there spewing hate speech that just divide us rather than bring us together. One thing I really hate is when they paint things as being SO black and white....ALL liberals do this....ALL conservatives do that...

we are all individuals. with individual believes and values...

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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2007, 06:34:45 pm »
I have been in counseling groups before and have seen that it is the ones that cling to the "victim' status that never move on in their lives...
Check out this fine New York Times article by Gwen Ifill reproduced on the Truthout website:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041107M.shtml

Ms. Ifill has encountered Imus before, and provides a splendid example of rising above the petty, mean taunting that people of his ilk traffic in, without once adopting a 'victim' mentality. At the same time, her sympathy and respect for the young ladies who found themselves the unfortunate focus of this incident are clearly evident; the lady would be a worthy role model for us all, regardless of who we are.

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Re: Stupid White Men: Don Imus' Racial Trash
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2007, 06:43:15 pm »
thank you....a beautifully written article. States it tons better than I could!

more and more I wonder where the women's rights groups are?