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Would it have worked? Merged with "Would a SWEET LIFE ever have been possible?"
rtprod:
Okay, now here's an interesting one.
SF, you just mentioned that they "would fight" like every other couple. We know how they fight, rough and tumble, etc.
Is that considered (domestic) violence, then? Don't laugh, because we're talking about two masculine egos and the way at least one of them expresses himself, and who he is.
Would that have been an accepted mode of aggressive communication when the going got tough? ???
Good one to think about.
rt
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: rtprod on April 26, 2006, 01:50:14 pm ---Okay, now here's an interesting one.
SF, you just mentioned that they "would fight" like every other couple. We know how they fight, rough and tumble, etc.
Is that considered (domestic) violence, then? Don't laugh, because we're talking about two masculine egos and they way at least one of them expresses himself, and who he is.
Would that have been an accepted mode of aggressive communication when the going got tough? ???
Good one to think about.
rt
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I more meant fighting over the dishes, house chores, money, etc. Like squabbling old couples do. I don't think it would have ever turned violent. Ennis would be past that point by now. I hope.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: rtprod on April 26, 2006, 01:50:14 pm ---Okay, now here's an interesting one.
SF, you just mentioned that they "would fight" like every other couple. We know how they fight, rough and tumble, etc.
Is that considered (domestic) violence, then? Don't laugh, because we're talking about two masculine egos and they way at least one of them expresses himself, and who he is.
Would that have been an accepted mode of aggressive communication when the going got tough? ???
Good one to think about.
rt
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I would think no, it's not domestic violence except in the literal sense of the word, or if technically it is it's not a very problematic case. The two of them are pretty equally matched, as opposed to one powerful person victimizing a weaker one. Also, I think they would always stop short of seriously hurting each other. Even in their one physical fight, on the mountain, nobody got very hurt. Ennis was angry but not trying to inflict real damage, as he was with the bikers or the guy in the truck.
twistedude:
Yes, I think so. Someone, or some several, have pointed out that for them to decide to live trogether-that is, for Ennis to agree to live with Jack--Ennis would have to have undergonbe a change. I find Leslie's first chapter of "A Love Born from Steel" pretty convincing in this respect (Jack uses both despair and simple logic to convince Ennis--read it, if you haven't). As far as making a success out of the operastion, two knowledsgable willing and to-eachother-devoted men working together have so much more going for them than most couples starting out life together. Why not?
As to the danger, I think Leslie covers that well too, and I don't want to give any part of the story away...
Enemies? There's a Gullah story my father loved to tell. Won't ell the story, but this is how it ends: Snakes, they be everwhere. Some crawl on 'e belly; some walk pun top o two feet. Now the man with sense, he look out for snake, wherever he shaum, and leave em alone. Sometimes, he live a long time,, but not good time, cause ever the he see someone, he look in e mouf to see how e fang stan', and e haat be col lika the fire, atter it go out. But the man who have love, like God tell we, him not live berry long, mebby, but he haat be warm, long and he live.
rtprod:
--- Quote ---Also, I think they would always stop short of seriously hurting each other.
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However, when Ennis says late in the film that all those things might "get you killed," it's clear that he's not "foolin," also the way he overpowers Alma in the kitchen and talks with his fists in the street brawl. Its his (only) way of letting out those demons.
rt
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