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EnnisLovesJack:
--- Quote from: RouxB on April 26, 2006, 02:05:30 pm ---RT
And me, get it to me too!!!
O0
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Me too!!!!! Please. 8)
moremojo:
--- Quote from: silkncense on April 27, 2006, 10:16:56 pm ---The fireworks scene. Just don't get it (but I am sure someone will explain why it's there!)
A bit further back on the camera view in the Motel - would like to see more of their arms holding each other (see above).
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I have heard that in the fullscreen version of the DVD, one can see a lot more of the men's arms touching and carressing in the motel scene.
The fireworks scene was, in part, there to function as an emblematic image of Ennis as American icon (tough, resilient, hard-as-nails cowboy). I'm not sure I can fully articulate why this scene resonates so much for me, but I found it mysteriously significant, and loved it myself.
Scott
EnnisLovesJack:
A couple things.
1.During the lake scene confrontation (which I love, so put down those tomatoes, please! ;)), Jack looks like Yosemite Sam. I think it's the outline the hat, the boots, and even the jacket.
2.While I admire Ang's artistic restraint, I wish there had been more love scenes between our boys. The first few times I saw BBM, I was deeply disappointed, and, heck, pretty annoyed, that the stuff in the tent scenes was in shadow, too dark to see. Luckily, with the DVD, I found if I tilt my folks' old laptop screen just right, the illumination improves dramatically, and I can actually see their faces, expressions, eye movements, and the kissing! Yeehaw!
3. I wish Ang had held the shot of Ennis in the phonebooth (after he hangs up with Lureen) longer.
4. I LOVE Jake's expression and mannerisms throughout the film. But something doesn't feel true to me in the first moment of his reaction when he realizes Ennis is crying. When he kind of throws his hands up. I can't really explain it, but it feels off to me.
5. It's weird how Jenny disappears completely from the film after Thanksgiving. She is only ever mentioned again twice, both times by Alma Jr. Anyone notice how in most of the scenes where Ennis is leaving the girls with Alma, he only kisses Alma Jr.? Poor overlooked Jenny.
Also don't get why her name was changed from Francine (in the story) to Jenny (in the movie).
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 27, 2006, 07:59:37 pm ---I'm comparing two scenes:
Jack tells Ennis, Aguirre said to 'bring 'em down'.
Ennis gets angry (when he's really love-lorn) and goes on a tear about the sheep and Aguirre cheating them out a month's pay.
AND
Ennis shows up in camp late due to a problem between bears and mules.
Jack gets angry (when he's really worried) and blurts out about being tired and hungry and only having beans.
Heath sounded a lot more convincing than Jake when they're doing the same thing.
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But they aren't doing the same thing.
Jack comes back to camp, can't find Ennis, sits there for a while stewing, not knowing whether to be worried or angry, decides he'll go with angry whenever Ennis does show up, meanwhile REHEARSING what he's going to say.
Ennis comes back to camp and is distraught to find Jack dismantling the tent. But Jack seems pretty cheerful. That just hurts Ennis even more -- why isn't he heartbroken, too? -- but of course he can't just come right out and say that. So he blurts out the thing about Aguirre (which is probably partly genuine -- he really does need the money) but is also a test -- if Jack joins him in attacking Aguirre it may indicate Jack is also upset about their parting. Instead, Jack helpfully offers a loan, which just makes Ennis madder, and on and on from there.
So if Jack's speech sounds fake and rehearsed, it's because it was fake and rehearsed. Ennis' reaction was more spontaneous, and if the premise is partly false, the anger is genuine.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on April 28, 2006, 12:32:39 am ---
Jack comes back to camp, can't find Ennis, sits there for a while stewing, not knowing whether to be worried or angry, decides he'll go with angry whenever Ennis does show up, meanwhile REHEARSING what he's going to say.
Ennis comes back to camp and is distraught to find Jack dismantling the tent. But Jack seems pretty cheerful. That just hurts Ennis even more -- why isn't he heartbroken, too? -- but of course he can't just come right out and say that. So he blurts out the thing about Aguirre (which is probably partly genuine -- he really does need the money) but is also a test -- if Jack joins him in attacking Aguirre it may indicate Jack is also upset about their parting. Instead, Jack helpfully offers a loan, which just makes Ennis madder, and on and on from there.
So if Jack's speech sounds fake and rehearsed, it's because it was fake and rehearsed. Ennis' reaction was more spontaneous, and if the premise is partly false, the anger is genuine.
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OK, that's understandable, but that's assuming Jack THOUGHT Ennis was going to come back. For all he knew, Ennis said to hell with this and left the mountain, or Ennis was hurt and in the woods somewhere or Ennis was lost. Jack couldn't have been rehearsing what to say if he didn't know what would eventually happen. I thought this was meant to be spontaneous - Ennis finally DOES show up to Jack's relief - and it didn't sound that way.
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