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PERFECT, but...
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 28, 2006, 08:56:24 am ---OK, that's understandable, but that's assuming Jack THOUGHT Ennis was going to come back. For all he knew, Ennis said to hell with this and left the mountain, or Ennis was hurt and in the woods somewhere or Ennis was lost. Jack couldn't have been rehearsing what to say if he didn't know what would eventually happen. I thought this was meant to be spontaneous - Ennis finally DOES show up to Jack's relief - and it didn't sound that way.
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Not to argue this endlessly, Del, but isn't it pretty unlikely that Ennis would have said "the hell with this" and left the mountain without a word to Jack for no apparent reason? He wasn't upset about anything, and he's a pretty responsible guy.
Realistically, Jack faced two possibilities: that something bad had happened to Ennis, leaving him hurt or lost, or that he was just late and had neglected his duties. The former seems more likely because, again, Ennis isn't irresponsible. So Jack, knowing this, probably was more worried than angry. But he's a little of both. If Ennis finally does show up OK, he'll be mad at Ennis not just for being late but also for making him worry. So he plans out what he'll say if that happens.
His reaction is similar to what happens when a missing child turns up and the relieved parent yells at the kid for straying.
silkncense:
--- Quote --- The fireworks scene was, in part, there to function as an emblematic image of Ennis as American icon (tough, resilient, hard-as-nails cowboy).
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Scott - I can see what you're saying, but I didn't think the scene rang true. The bikers would've got up together to confront Ennis & I think the other cowboys in the area (totally not even looking during the confrontation) would've got up to back-up Ennis.
Maybe if the scene had progressed differently w/ the one biker just rising to confront Ennis w/out looking to his buddy (who we see starting to rise - but then does not??). Then the timing/scene would have seemed truer.
delalluvia:
--- Quote ---Not to argue this endlessly, Del, but isn't it pretty unlikely that Ennis would have said "the hell with this" and left the mountain without a word to Jack for no apparent reason? He wasn't upset about anything, and he's a pretty responsible guy.
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Yes, but Jack doesn't know this. Not for certain. This seems to be pretty early in the relationship isn't it? Guys DO suddenly decide to move on. Ennis has never worked for Aguirre before or with Jack, so he really doesn't know at this stage.
--- Quote ---Realistically, Jack faced two possibilities: that something bad had happened to Ennis, leaving him hurt or lost, or that he was just late and had neglected his duties. The former seems more likely because, again, Ennis isn't irresponsible. So Jack, knowing this, probably was more worried than angry. But he's a little of both. If Ennis finally does show up OK, he'll be mad at Ennis not just for being late but also for making him worry. So he plans out what he'll say if that happens.
His reaction is similar to what happens when a missing child turns up and the relieved parent yells at the kid for straying.
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I'll go along with that last, but I doubt that people rehearse what they'll say to their children in that circumstance. They've been more worried IMO than sitting there rehearsing what to say if they do show up. Usually they say blurt something they wish they hadn't later. Again, I keep thinking this should have been more spontaneous a scene.
But no biggie Kat, we all see it differently.
littleguitar:
I think I see where you're coming from Del, with that campfire scene. And I wanted to point another thing out about that scene that always bugged me. I've always thought that they way those few seconds when jack says "where the hell you been...." and ennis walks past him mumbling were shot were a little strange. I think it's lit strange and the way the camera follows Ennis throws me for a minute. Just those few seconds until Jack says "what in the hell happened Ennis?" It all falls back into place for me with that.
Does anyone know what I mean? I'm not a filmaker so I don't know the technical stuff, but the way it was shot and lit just seemed a bit off. that could be a reason why Jake's delivery seems forced, that the shot itself seems a little faked
Sheyne:
--- Quote from: rtprod on April 26, 2006, 01:20:34 pm ---Little D, can't believe you haven't seen that -- I have it on tape somewhere, will find a way to get it to you.
It is a truly awesome moment. He picks up the shirts, does what we see in the final cut, then stumbles, leans against the wall, clutches the shirts and...bawls.
I'll get it to you. ;)
rt
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OMG rt, I want this too!!!! Please?? Pretty please?? ;D
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