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What do you think makes this movie so romantic?
ednbarby:
*Very* well-said, Nic. I think you've hit the nail on the proverbial head, there. Beautiful.
And as for what I was saying about Ennis not expressing himself more, I think I always feel so sad for Jack in that "I dunno" scene because I always see him closing his eyes a little tighter there in response. But I think I may have misread that. Now, I'm thinking it's not in response to Ennis' non-answer but kind of in preparation for what he's about to say, which is "Brokeback got us good, don't it?" I think you're all absolutely right - Jack knew Ennis loved him - it's why he kept on keeping on with him for so long - it's why any of us in that situation do - either out of knowledge that he loves us or in the hope that he might. In their case, I do think he knew. And as was said before, his frustration wasn't in Ennis not expressing it better, because of course he loved Ennis absolutely the way he was, and that kind of expression wasn't something he was capable of. It was in his inability to make that leap to building a life with him, together, as Jack wanted.
Have I mentioned yet today how much I love this movie? And you guys?
nic:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on May 02, 2006, 02:48:37 pm ---*Very* well-said, Nic. I think you've hit the nail on the proverbial head, there. Beautiful.
And as for what I was saying about Ennis not expressing himself more, I think I always feel so sad for Jack in that "I dunno" scene because I always see him closing his eyes a little tighter there in response. But I think I may have misread that. Now, I'm thinking it's not in response to Ennis' non-answer but kind of in preparation for what he's about to say, which is "Brokeback got us good, don't it?" I think you're all absolutely right - Jack knew Ennis loved him - it's why he kept on keeping on with him for so long - it's why any of us in that situation do - either out of knowledge that he loves us or in the hope that he might. In their case, I do think he knew. And as was said before, his frustration wasn't in Ennis not expressing it better, because of course he loved Ennis absolutely the way he was, and that kind of expression wasn't something he was capable of. It was in his inability to make that leap to building a life with him, together, as Jack wanted.
Have I mentioned yet today how much I love this movie? And you guys?
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Thanks! It was a ramble about something I feel, rather than think. Glad it made some sense to you.
Yep, Jack kept on with Ennis because of love. Even in relationships that are genuinely falling apart, both partners can still be a bit in love with the other and that is why some endings of relationships get long & drawn out & are so painful. This was beginning to happen in the end with J & E to a small extent, but that is another discussion.
nic
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: nic on May 02, 2006, 12:09:24 pm ---And that's why I think I find BBM so romantic - I associate J & E with falling & being in love. It evokes those feelings again & the passions that fortunately I have experienced in my life. It's a credit to Heath & Jake that they were able to convey it so well, especially to a (mainly) straight woman like myself.
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Thanks for your thoughts here nic, and I agree with you. You know it's crossed my mind from time to time why this relationship (Jack & Ennis) works for straight women. In general (forgive me please), I am of the understanding that most women are not "turned on" by gay sex, although that might be more about male's preoccupation with pornography. Do you think BBM is accessible to women simply because of the romance angle? Is this all that was needed to override any issues of gender/orientation? Can this also be used to define the level of enjoyment for BBM? That is, is an appreciation of romance in a film or a desire for romance in life a character trait for a Brokaholic, distinguishing them from the "it was just ok" or "didn't like it" demographics?
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on May 02, 2006, 06:04:13 pm ---Thanks for your thoughts here nic, and I agree with you. You know it's crossed my mind from time to time why this relationship (Jack & Ennis) works for straight women. In general (forgive me please), I am of the understanding that most women are not "turned on" by gay sex, although that might be more about male's preoccupation with pornography. Do you think BBM is accessible to women simply because of the romance angle? Is this all that was needed to override any issues of gender/orientation? Can this also be used to define the level of enjoyment for BBM? That is, is an appreciation of romance in a film or a desire for romance in life a character trait for a Brokaholic, distinguishing them from the "it was just ok" or "didn't like it" demographics?
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Ooh - meaty discussion, here. :) Well, speaking just for myself, I actually *am* turned on by gay sex, just as I'm turned on by straight sex and lesbian sex, *when* it's shown between two partners who appear to be very deeply in love with each other. I'm not turned on by pornographic sex of any kind - it only hits me where I live when I can feel their love for one another. You know? When it's truly intimate - that's what's erotic to me. That's why I love kissing scenes most of all when they're done right and the chemistry is real between the actors - because I think kissing is *much* more intimate than just the act itself, regardless of whether the act is gay, straight or lesbian. That's why the reunion kiss (and their very first kiss) rocks my world and gives me the hands-free sensation every time. Because it's intimate, and it's real. But I must also say that their first consummation turns me on, too, because there's so much very believable passion in it.
And as far as the romance angle, I think it's safe to say that women as a rule are much more into love stories than straight men.
Brown Eyes:
Well, I'm a gay woman and while I don't get *turned on* so to speak by two guys being intimate... I completely love and adore the fact that this is a powerful and amazing gay romance. I think our boys are adorable and I love to see them *being together* but my reaction to all this is on a level that I really can't explain. I think that's a huge part of the reason why I am so preoccupied with the movie.
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