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littledarlin:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on May 05, 2006, 12:22:13 am ---Hiya little
How are those countries going to improve if their citizens don't have to stay and face up to their unsatisfactory governments?
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no idea. we'll see when it happens. some countries use the voting process, some countries revolt.
--- Quote ---How could you decide that though? How can you tell the family of that one person who was brutally murdered - "We're really sorry about that, but hey 100 other people did well, so it's OK if your loved one was tortured to death leaving their children father/motherless"?
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but it goes both ways. how could you turn away someone who is starving to death or whose kids are starving to death or whatever the case may be? this goes back to does the end justify the means. who knows.
--- Quote ---How about the women tortured and killed in Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan? The people imprisoned in China? The children who disappeared in Chile/Columbia? The 10s of thousands dying every day in Africa?
Are we going to be an open door for EVERY persecuted person? There would be no room left to stand.
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YES! if someone is seeking refuge here, they should be more than welcome to. the only reason more people DON'T is because it is so hard to get here from asia, africa, south america, etc. we have no right to say one persons life is more valuable than the other and we shouldn't have to make a choice. we should help everyone we can, everyone who WANTS help.
if the day comes when the religious right takes over, and start burning gays at the stake, i would absolutely flee to anywhere i could. sometimes it's just not as simple as standing up to your government. i do my best to stay here and change things for the better in the ways i can, but things keep getting worse. there's going to come a point where i say fuck this, i'm sick of being treated like a second class citizen, and move to a country that accepts gays as equals. will i go through the legal process? yes, but i have the resources to do so. for now. but who knows what's going to happen.
rtprod:
--- Quote ---How are those countries going to improve if their citizens don't have to stay and face up to their unsatisfactory governments?
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If this isn't a fantasy of misplaced idealism then I don't know what is. What should they do, go to City Hall? lol
Good lord, they can't even stand up to make 30 bucks a week -- the governments are loaded with corruption and they are poverty stricken.
Is that comment for real?
rt
rtprod:
Del, no, I'm not rich. But I do see sweeping social issues as greater than black and white.
My own dishes? I'm talking about in restaurants.
My own laundry? I'm talking about dry cleaners.
I don't know where you come from, but the economy in this major city would collapse tomorrow, and everyone here knows it, if we removed the contributions of undocumented workers.
This is true -- by the way, ever see the great movie Bread and Roses by Ken Loach, starring Adrien Brody? Or have you seen Maria Full of Grace? Can you take a compassionate perspective on those characters at all?
rt
littledarlin:
--- Quote from: rtprod on May 05, 2006, 12:59:35 am ---Del, no, I'm not rich. But I do see sweeping social issues as greater than black and white.
I don't know where you come from, but the economy in this major city would collapse tomorrow, and everyone here knows it, if we removed the contributions of undocumented workers.
rt
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same here, rt. the city of chicago, and most of the suburbs, have a huge base of immigrants. that's why it's baffling to me to see people react this way. everything is relative. the point i was trying to make was that you can not judge an entire group of people by the actions of a small portion of that group. i don't see immigrants without papers as criminals, i see the actions taken against them as criminal, as far as work conditions, healthcare, etc. the problem lies within the process, not the immigrants themselves.
rtprod:
--- Quote ---same here, rt. the city of chicago, and most of the suburbs, have a huge base of immigrants. that's why it's baffling to me to see people react this way. everything is relative. the point i was trying to make was that you can not judge an entire group of people by the actions of a small portion of that group. i don't see immigrants without papers as criminals, i see the actions taken against them as criminal, as far as work conditions, healthcare, etc. the problem lies within the process, not the immigrants themselves.
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I hear you. Everyone I know here in this city, Repub or Dem, feels that this situation is in some way unfair and needs to be adjusted.
rt
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