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Why did Ennis send the divorce-postcard?

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MaineWriter:

--- Quote from: latjoreme on May 01, 2006, 12:04:45 pm ---
So I think it's just a way to set up the scene. For that matter, Jack dropping everything and driving 1,400 miles without a word of warning doesn't seem all that probable, either.


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Just for the record, because I keep seeing this in various posts and threads...and the obsessive/compulsive realist in me gets annoyed...

It is 917 miles from Childress to Riverton (yes, I mapquested it). At an average speed of 65 mph, it would be a 14 hour drive.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

serious crayons:
Why thanks, Jeff! I'll take this opportunity to tell you something I've thought for a while: you are one of my favorite people to disagree with!

And yes, I think Ennis did the right thing, especially with the girls already sitting right there in the truck (if he'd had a heads up, you could argue that he could have rescheduled). It's iffy at best, and a weaker excuse would have worked better.

And good point about Mexico. The first time, anyway, we need to see that Jack had a strong motivation to go there.


--- Quote from: lnicoll on May 01, 2006, 12:22:11 pm ---It is 917 miles from Childress to Riverton (yes, I mapquested it). At an average speed of 65 mph, it would be a 14 hour drive.

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You know, I've kind of wondered before if I had that wrong. In the past, I've just written around it, but this time I just plunged boldly inaccurately ahead. Thanks for setting the record straight.

Penthesilea:

--- Quote ---I think he just wanted to keep his best friend abreast of this major new development in his life,
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I don't know, in both movie and story this is the only occasion Ennis contacts Jack irregularly. So keeping the other one up-to-date outside their trips wasn't common in their relationship.


--- Quote ---and didn't think through the possible implications of the gesture
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Yes, this is a possibility.


--- Quote ---Probably most people can cite similar experiences
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You bet  :)

nakymaton:
I love the post-divorce scene, so I want to figure out some way to defend it (aside from loving the acting, the way everything that's really going on is conveyed through things that aren't said).

The mention of the twelve hundred mile drive for nothing in the short story knocked me completely for a loop, too -- that was one of the things that stuck with me after reading the short story for the first time, that plus the shirts plus "the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets." What struck me in the short story, I think, was that I didn't know about it until years after it had happened, and although so little was said about it, so much was implied by that one phone call and that one drive.

So here's what it means to me. Might not be rational, because the story and the movie speaks to some part of me that is not rational. But, well, it is what it is.

I think the divorce must really have shook Ennis, and that despite being such a loner, that he felt lonely without the familiarity of Alma and the girls. That, somehow, even though the marriage had been falling apart for a long time, that there was something comforting and familiar about having a family. And when the divorce came through, Ennis was alone again, entirely alone like he hadn't been since the day he met Jack. And Jack was the one person that Ennis talked to, the one person who made the loneliness go away. So even though phone calls say too much, even though Ennis may very well not have had a phone in his new place, he called.

I can see why it became a postcard in the movie. It might be hard to believe that Jack wouldn't have said something about coming right up if they talked on the phone. It's easier to misunderstand a postcard than a phone call (though it's certainly possible to misunderstand a phone call, especially if Jack read Ennis's loneliness correctly but didn't realize how reluctant Ennis was to do anything about it). And postcards take a long time to arrive, longer than letters. (Months, though, is a bit hard to believe.)

As for why movie-Ennis would send a postcard rather than make a phone call... I don't know. Movie-Ennis is even more closed down and reserved than story-Ennis, and maybe a phone call would be simply too frightening for him. He was used to sending postcards to Jack, so maybe that was the easiest thing to do when the loneliness became too much. And although postcards don't give the same immediate comfort that talking to someone on the phone would, Ennis might have hoped that Jack would send a postcard back... that much contact might have meant a lot to Ennis. (I bet those postcards were a huge, huge thrill every time they arrived.)

Also, another idea... given the timing of Jack's visit compared to their next fishing trip, perhaps Ennis simply mentioned the divorce on the same postcard that told Jack about their meeting time and place. But instead of simply sending a postcard back saying "See you soon," Jack dropped everything and drove to Wyoming.

As for why Jack didn't stick around, and why the girls worked just fine for me as an excuse... yes, the daughters are a perfectly good excuse, and Jack could have gotten a motel room and stuck around for a couple of days. But there's a whole other unspoken conversation going on there. It seems to me as though Ennis is talking about the girls as a way of covering up the things he isn't comfortable talking about, his unspoken fears. And Jack knows what Ennis is really saying; he's mostly figured it out before Ennis watches the truck drive by, but  that one truck represents everything that Ennis is afraid of. And Jack knows it. (And I disagree with the people who have said that nobody would have noticed or cared about Jack visiting. A truck with Texas plates sitting in the driveway of somebody who, as far as everyone knows, has a total of five relatives (counting Alma, the girls, and the brother and sister) and no friends? Somebody who, as far as they know, has never left the state? I bet somebody would have asked Ennis about the Texas plates within three days. No, they shouldn't have cared, but it's a small town and people get bored and nosy.)

The post-divorce scene works as a perfect gap-filler for me; it's better than anything I had imagined about it. And I think it also works, a bit, as a piece of the Motel Siesta scene in the book, which set the course for the entire rest of the relationship in a way that it doesn't in the movie. (In the movie, there's still hope that things could be different someday after "There ain't no reins on this one." After the post-divorce scene, however, Jack changes... the pornstache symbolizes it, covering up Jake's expressive smile and making Jack look older than he is. And, I don't know, it works as a turning point for me.)

Hmmm. I don't think this makes much sense. (And it's a bit disturbing that I like such an angsty scene so much, but I do.)

(I call it a twelve hundred mile drive because that's how it's described in the story. Don't know where Annie Proulx got the extra 283 miles. Can't imagine Jack taking any detours on that particular drive. Maybe she liked the sound of the words.)

Brown Eyes:

--- Quote from: Penthesilea on May 01, 2006, 11:18:01 am ---Subconcious? Ennis wanted to share his life with Jack.

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I don't even think it's subconscious.  I think Ennis really would like to live with Jack.  He knows it would be a "sweet life" but he can't bring himself to imagine how it would work in practical terms.  Especially because he perceives the world to be so hostile, violent and threatening.

My take is that he tells Jack simply because Jack is his only confidant.  It would have made more sense in a phone call though.  You're right latjoreme... I don't know what comfort he'd get by sending a card off.  It is unwittingly an awfully cruel thing to do to Jack.  I don't think he meant it to be such a big deal... But, Ennis should have known better since he was well aware of Jack's long-standing wishes.  When Jack turns to leave so quickly I think we get the first flash of worry in Ennis's face that he might lose Jack.  Heath does a good job portraying the guilt Ennis feels here... but there's one particular look in Ennis's eyes here that show concern more than guilt.

Jack doesn't hang around because he's mad and hurt.

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