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Chanterais:

--- Quote from: Casey Cornelius on May 02, 2006, 06:32:40 pm ---Lucise:

Ditto -- as a fellow Albertan, Calgarian nutso, I also take offense at that appelation, Chanterais.

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No indeed, Alberta hasn't cornered the market on nutsos.  Ontarians have their own special brand of insanity.  To wit: eight dead bikers in trunks.  I'll say no more.

I'm with Ro on this.  I think it's an interesting little blip on the American cultural landcape, but I don't think it's in any danger of becoming the dominant view.  I think the vast majority of Americans, though they believe in God, also understand that there are appropriate venues for certain debates and beliefs.  Just as most Americans agree that public schools are not the place for prayer, so they understand that that science class is not the place for exploring the idea of intelligent design.

I mean, I think the question about the presence and role of a higher being in the universe is incredibly important and worth examining (and I say that as a confirmed atheist), but school science classes are not the right forum for that discussion.  Science, as a discipline, is based on a very specific method whereby theories must be able to be disproved.  The existence of an intelligent creator simply cannot be disproved, and therefore it's not a legitimate scientific theory.  Period.  It's an important question, but it ain't science.

That said, I bet a great science teacher could really use the concept of intelligent design to help kids understand the scientific method, and to better realize how the acceptance of the Big Bang theory is based on educated consensus rather than solid, unimpeachable facts. 

I will now get off my soapbox and go soak my head.

Aussie Chris:
No, not taught in Australia.  We have a religion-based political party here called "family first" that raised the subject last year, but it thankfully never made it passed a discussion.  Religious groups over here don't have the political clout that they do in the U.S.  I guess we're also a little too laid back for that sort of nonsense anyway.

starboardlight:
a political background on this.

"Intelligent Design" is obviously a new name to the old "creationism" theory, and is currently purely American idea. It came into being when creationism was ruled unconstitutional. The fundamental Christians then repackaged it with a new brand name. By speaking about creation in terms that are non-religion specific (they don't use the word God anywhere) they hoped to be able to by pass the separation of church and state. Since it's not a idea that push any church or religion, it doesn't challenge the church and state line. That's their thinking anyway. Of course most people recognize it for what it is. An attempt to put creationism back into the American education system.

henrypie:

--- Quote from: starboardlight on May 03, 2006, 01:12:48 am ---a political background on this.

"Intelligent Design" is obviously a new name to the old "creationism" theory, and is currently purely American idea. It came into being when creationism was ruled unconstitutional. The fundamental Christians then repackaged it with a new brand name.

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Exactly, Starbie.

My embarrassment is that this is yet another issue that fearful, smallminded people in my country have thunk up.

Ellemeno:
Somehow this topic title is in my head to the tune of David Bowie's "Young Americans."

"Non-Americans, non-Americans, they were the non-Americans.  All night, they were the non-Americans,"

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