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David In Indy:
--- Quote from: Rayn on September 28, 2007, 01:36:15 pm --- Kelda.... Let's look at language noting that when a person calls the legitimate postion of a president of any nation into question by calling him "the so called president" of Iran, that is an insult, plain and simple. She might as well have called him "a fake". That's not an opinion.
The President of Iran was elected by his own people. He isn't the "so called president"; he's the duly elected president of Iran. That Wishes dislikes the man is clear in her insult.
And why not allow Wishes to answer for her own statement? Perhaps if there were some reflection on language used there might also be some learning about how to write about someone she dislikes in a more respectful manner.
Learning respect for people we don't like ... hmmmm... now that is something that could help us all!
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I don't think it's quite that cut and dry. He is the elected leader of Iran. However, the candidates are hand picked by the mullahs before an election takes place in Iran. The Iranian people then elect their president from this group of pre-screened, mullah approved candidates. This is like saying to someone they can purchase any make, model and color of car they wish, but all the cars on the lot are blue Ford Tauruses. Not exactly a democratic process, is it? The mullahs are the true leaders in Iran. The Iranian President is basically their puppet, saying and doing exactly what they tell him.
Having said that, the Iranian President IS the visible head of state for Iran, and he should be treated with absolute and total respect when he is in the United States. I was shocked, angry and disappointed by the way he was treated at Columbia University. They invited him into their "house" and then treated him like crap while he was there. I've always believed Americans to be a warm and kind hearted people; at least for the most part. We certainly didn't live up to those qualities last Monday at Columbia University. It disappoints me.
loneleeb3:
--- Quote ---Having said that, the Iranian President IS the visible head of state for Iran, and he should be treated with absolute and total respect when he is in the United States. I was shocked, angry and disappointed by the way he was treated at Columbia University. They invited him into their "house" and then treated him like crap while he was there. I've always believed Americans to be a warm and kind hearted people; at least for the most part. We certainly didn't live up to those qualities last Monday at Columbia University. It disappoints me.
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he is a despot and a dictator He doesn't deserve any respect. I am glad the Prsident of the univerity challanged him.No one has yet. He can spew his propoganda to Diane Sawyer, say what he wants on all the major news channels and no one challenges him at all!
My Grandfather was part of the allied forces that liberated the concentration camps. He went into Nordhausen.
After the people were liberated he was in charge of documenting the atrocities for the Nuremburg war tribunals.
My Grandfather still has nightmares today. Anyone who denies the holocost, calls for Isreal and the US to be wiped off the map, murders homosexuals and sponsors terrorists does not deserve any respect. respect is somthing that is earned and in my book he hasn't earned any. If Hitler came to speak would you give him your rspect? What about Pol Pot or Stalin? He is an evil man not worthy ofmy time or respect!
ifyoucantfixit:
I would think you should then not attend his meetings. That would to me be the highest form of disrespect, and at the same time preserving your own respectful way of behaving.
loneleeb3:
--- Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on September 28, 2007, 04:30:31 pm ---
I would think you should then not attend his meetings. That would to me be the highest form of disrespect, and at the same time preserving your own respectful way of behaving.
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Amen!
I wouldn't. I can't believe they even let him talk.
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: loneleeb3 on September 28, 2007, 04:11:48 pm ---he is a despot and a dictator He doesn't deserve any respect. I am glad the Prsident of the univerity challanged him.No one has yet. He can spew his propoganda to Diane Sawyer, say what he wants on all the major news channels and no one challenges him at all!
My Grandfather was part of the allied forces that liberated the concentration camps. He went into Nordhausen.
After the people were liberated he was in charge of documenting the atrocities for the Nuremburg war tribunals.
My Grandfather still has nightmares today. Anyone who denies the holocost, calls for Isreal and the US to be wiped off the map, murders homosexuals and sponsors terrorists does not deserve any respect. respect is somthing that is earned and in my book he hasn't earned any. If Hitler came to speak would you give him your rspect? What about Pol Pot or Stalin? He is an evil man not worthy ofmy time or respect!
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Then why invite him in the first place? What do you think this accomplished? And what do you think he'll do? He'll go back to Iran and inform his people how badly he was treated by the Americans. Remember most Iranians HATE this man, and many are looking for a regime change, much like what is currently happening in Myanmar. Most Iranians are pro West. But I'm scared of what happened at CU last Monday may cause the Iranian people to rally around him rather than against him.
It's important to remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a HEAD OF STATE. If this guy was some Iranian version of Rush Limbaugh, I'd feel different about it. But he's the Iranian President. And whether or not the man actually deserves it, he is the president of a nation, and this alone demands our respect.
Lee, I totally agree with you. The man is a dictator, a terrorist, a liar and a madman. He'd love to kill me. If I traveled to Iran, I'd probably be executed, and he'd rejoice about it. He's a horrible person. But I just feel that since he IS a head of state, we should treat him with the same respect we would show any other visiting dignitary such as Gordon Brown, Queen Elizabeth, Queen Beatrix, Nicolas Sarközy, etc...
--- Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on September 28, 2007, 04:30:31 pm ---
I would think you should then not attend his meetings. That would to me be the highest form of disrespect, and at the same time preserving your own respectful way of behaving.
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I agree Janice. That would be the ULTIMATE slap in the face! If Columbia University wanted to express their hatred for this man, an empty auditorium would certainly do it!
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