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Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Mikaela:
Well, they are by the same author and as such IMO that is an obvious reason for comparison.
It's like considering which novel you like better by any of your well-liked authors, and why. Of course it's subjective but it's also fully possible to elaborate on specific matters that led to the overall view. I would think most people do that all the time. I certainly do - and consider it entirely relevant.
The same goes for comparing one author's fic or novel to another's, btw.
By and large I don't think it's very constructive to tell other fic readers how they should and should not go about evaluating and expressing their views on fics.
Monika:
Like Mikaela said, Zero at the Bone and HI are written by the same author, so it´s not very far-fetched to compare the two.¨
And comparing two fics is just like when you say "I liked this movie better than the other one".
Btw. Another thing I remember thinking while re-reading HI is that it differs very much in style from ZatB. If I didn´t know it beforehand, I don´t think I´d have ever guessed that they were written by the same author. It´s interesting to see how an authors style change over time.
Mikaela:
I also think Zero is more tightly plotted and structured and that makes for a better story.
As far as I recall, HI was being developed while it was written - it meanders from one dramatic incident to the next, which is then resolved before another looms on the horizon - and Lori was entirely open at the time about creating it as she went along. (For instance, when Lizzie's crush on Jack was introduced, I believe readers' input contributed to that storyline being nipped in the bud without taking a more prominent place or evolving further than it did.)
Zero on the other hand has a clear story arch - in one of the very first chapters it has Jack thinking rhetorically about what might happen down the line; "a car chase, or a showdown in a warehouse?" ( which of course is a foreshadowing of what will actually happen down the line, and which at the same time shows that main parts of the story arc were in place early on.)
Monika:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 07:55:37 pm ---I also think Zero is more tightly plotted and structured and that makes for a better story.
As far as I recall, HI was being developed while it was written - it meanders from one dramatic incident to the next, which is then resolved before another looms on the horizon - and Lori was entirely open at the time about creating it as she went along. (For instance, when Lizzie's crush on Jack was introduced, I believe readers' input contributed to that storyline being nipped in the bud without taking a more prominent place or evolving further than it did.)
Zero on the other hand has a clear story arch - in one of the very first chapters it has Jack thinking rhetorically about what might happen down the line; "a car chase, or a showdown in a warehouse?" ( which of course is a foreshadowing of what will actually happen down the line, and which at the same time shows that main parts of the story arc were in place early on.)
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Yes, HI lacked a plot in the common sense of the word. It has no clear begining, middle or ending. I think the point was that the story was supposed to emulate life in that way. Our lives consists of a string of events that most often aren´t connected. It´s pretty clever given the subject of the story.
I think the reason I prefer ZatB to Hi, is that it´s darker, more complex and Doctor Jack and Hitman Ennis are closer to canon.
Mikaela:
--- Quote from: Buffymon on July 16, 2009, 08:09:21 pm ---Yes, HI lacked a plot in the common sense of the word. It has no clear begining, middle or ending. I think the point was that the story was supposed to emulate life in that way. Our lives consists of a string of events that most often aren´t connected.
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Sure. But strictly IMO it makes for less compelling reading than the concept at first would indicate. It risks becoming too like one of those TV series that continues on and has to come up with new big unexpected twists and turns and cliffhangers as long as the ratings are sufficient.
I do think I reacted far more to the continuous big-time drama (the way I perceived it) than the meandering nature of the tale, actually. I though the dramatic events in HI were entirely unlikely to all befall one couple in a short period of time. While in TCJ things seemed to calm down to more closely emulate RL as far as the content of actual plot events and -development went. Both the daughter-turned-religious-zealot and the aging parents needing help seemed to be realistic and more low-key and to initially allow for that "similar to RL" approach (and depiction of related relationship closeness and -strains for J&E). That worked better IMO.
--- Quote ---I think the reason I prefer ZatB to Hi, is that it´s darker, more complex and Doctor Jack and Hitman Ennis are closer to canon.
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It's actually strange to note that the AU!AU characters seem closer to canon than the canon!AU characters. :) My main objection to HI has always been the characterization of Ennis, who I couldn't recognize as canon Ennis at all, though that was supposed to be his starting point.
The depiction of the development of the ZatB relationship from the first meeting, the slow evolvement of D from completely closed-down to a loving partner in an openly gay relationship, the sheer level of angst throughout, the excitement fit to give a poor reader heart attacks, the focus on J&E with less interference from OCs, .... yeah, all the parts of ZatB just clik together into one whole that is larger than the sum of those parts and just appeal to me all the way. :) As for the frequent and highly dramatic events in ZatB, they follow naturally from the very dramatic starting point and the crime/mob hit context of the tale - these two men are not exactly living ordinary everyday lives. :o
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