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Am I the only person...
two_bloody_shirts:
...who gets really upset when other people assume things about this film? I'm asking this on the Tremblay section because I know you folks are quite rational and you are very dedicated to the film.
I have been fixated on this film for a long time now. However, I get so angry when people assume things that can't possibly be real or realistic in regard to this film. One recurring theme is when people assume to hear lines which aren't in the film and rationally wouldn't be there. Secondly, they keep bringing up that Ennis wasn't gay (which some say is debatable, I say isn't). Thirdly, they bring up numerous scenarios about how Jack died.
I am sick of it. I'm tired of being angry and debating with people. I wish I could quit by passion about this film but I can't.
I can't believe it get so irritated about these things. Am I the only one? :-\
vkm91941:
--- Quote from: two_bloody_shirts on May 07, 2006, 12:36:05 am ---...who gets really upset when other people assume things about this film? I'm asking this on the Tremblay section because I know you folks are quite rational and you are very dedicated to the film.
I have been fixated on this film for a long time now. However, I get so angry when people assume things that can't possibly be real or realistic in regard to this film. One recurring theme is when people assume to hear lines which aren't in the film and rationally wouldn't be there. Secondly, they keep bringing up that Ennis wasn't gay (which some say is debatable, I say isn't). Thirdly, they bring up numerous scenarios about how Jack died.
I am sick of it. I'm tired of being angry and debating with people. I wish I could quit by passion about this film but I can't.
I can't believe it get so irritated about these things. Am I the only one? :-\
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No, you're not alone... That whole business of the "I love you" that some are so vehment about really gets to me. I have a brand new state of the art surround sound system and I listed at full blast, and then again with the head phone on adjusting the band width and frequency and guess what ..NO I love you... besides WE KNOW Ennis would not have EVER said it. It's only wishful thinking on the part of those viewer.... so no You're definitely not alone :-\
slayers_creek_oth:
--- Quote from: two_bloody_shirts on May 07, 2006, 12:36:05 am ---...who gets really upset when other people assume things about this film? I'm asking this on the Tremblay section because I know you folks are quite rational and you are very dedicated to the film.
I have been fixated on this film for a long time now. However, I get so angry when people assume things that can't possibly be real or realistic in regard to this film. One recurring theme is when people assume to hear lines which aren't in the film and rationally wouldn't be there. Secondly, they keep bringing up that Ennis wasn't gay (which some say is debatable, I say isn't). Thirdly, they bring up numerous scenarios about how Jack died.
I am sick of it. I'm tired of being angry and debating with people. I wish I could quit by passion about this film but I can't.
I can't believe it get so irritated about these things. Am I the only one? :-\
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Hell no you are not alone! The Jack/death thing is something that has always bugged me.....and the 'gay cowboy movie' title pisses me off too.......
two_bloody_shirts:
--- Quote from: vkm91941 on May 07, 2006, 12:39:30 am ---
No, you're not alone... That whole business of the "I love you" that is some are so vehment about really gets to me. I have a brand new state of the art surround sound system and I listed at full blast, and then again with the head phone on adjusting the band width and frequency and guess what ..NO I love you... besides WE KNOW Ennis would not have EVER said it. so no You're definitely not alone :-\
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I am almost at the point of wanting to strangle some people because of this issue. The whole point of Annie Proulx's story, from where I come from, is that Ennis couldn't vocalize his feelings for Jack. Even after he died, he still couldn't do it. The lines were never in the screenplay, Heath never talked about it in interviews. You'd think that'd come up somehow. And when I try to rationalize, please just go on and on about how beautiful and wonderful it is.
I should not get so angry. I really need to start focusing elsewhere.
serious crayons:
No, I understand what you mean, TBS. Sometimes I wish everybody would interpret the film the same way I do. I find some other people's interpretations frustrating and depressing (ahem, you know who you are!).
On the other hand, if we all agreed, what would we still have to talk about? And some of the most interesting conversations I've had here have been with people with whom I vehemently disagreed. But frankly, I'm a pretty argumentative person by nature. Or so I've been told. So I don't really get angry about it.
I have noticed people hearing lines I don't believe are really there, or interpreting motivations in ways I don't agree with. I would love, at this point, to take on anybody who contends that Ennis wasn't gay (the last time I did, it was with a gay man, and it was interesting). As for Jack's death, I still think that's extremely debatable.
There are other issues. Did Ennis know he loved Jack and that Jack loved him the whole time, or did he realize that only after Jack's death? Did Jack know Ennis loved him, despite the lack of verbal endearments? Was Ennis' big crisis in the final argument a matter of owning up to his sexuality, or fearing he was losing Jack's love? How does the book compare to the movie? Which of the characters is more appealing, and why? I could go on. There are lots of conflicting opinions on these things. But IMO, those disagreements are the fodder of many fascinating debates that force me to consider interpretations that probably never would have occured to me otherwise, and, as a result, to analyze my own opinions more closely.
I can't quit either my passion about this film, OR this website. In fact, the two passions feed each other.
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