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Another Lying Senator (Tales From The Toilet)
David In Indy:
Here is part of the police interview with Senator Craig on June 11th, 2007. Sorry for any typos, but I was typing this as I was listening to it on MSNBC. I recorded it earlier today....
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Sen, Craig: Am I gonna have to fight you in court?
Sgt. Karsnia: No. No. I'm not going to go to court unless you want me there.
Sen. Craig: 'Cause I don't want to be in court either.
Sgt. Karsnia: OK. I don't either.
Sgt. Karsnia: Um. Here's the way it works, um, you'll be released today, okay.
Sen. Craig: Okay.
Sgt. Karsnia: All right. I, I know I can bring you to jail, but that is not my goal here, okay?
Sen. Craig: Don't do that. You, you...
Sgt. Karsnia: I'm not going to bring you to jail.
Sen. Craig: You solicited me.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. We're going to get, We're going to get into that.
Sen. Craig: Okay...
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay.
Sen. Craig: I sit down, um, go to the bathroom and ah, you said our feet bumped. I believe they did, uh, because I reached down and scooted over and um, the next thing I knew, under the bathroom divider comes a card that says Police. Now, um, (sighs) that's about as far as I can take it. I don't know of anything else. Ah, your foot came toward mine, mine came toward yours. Was that natural? I don't know. Did we bump? Yes, I think we did. You said so. I don't disagree with that.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. I don't want to get into a pissing match here.
Sen. Craig: We're not going to.
Sgt. Karsnia: Good. Um.
Sen. Craig: I don't, ah, I am not gay. I don't do these kinds of things and...
Sgt. Karsnia: It doesn't matter. I don't care about sexual preference or anything like that. Here is your stuff back, sir. Um, I don't care about sexual preference.
Sen. Craig: I know you don't. You are out to enforce the law.
Sgt. Karsnia: Right.
Sen. Craig: But you shouldn't be out to entrap people either.
Sgt. Karsnia: This isn't entrapment. Um, you're skipping some parts here, but what about your hand?
Sen. Craig: What about it? I reached down to my foot like this. There was a piece of paper on the floor. I picked it up...
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay, sir. We deal with people that lie to us every day.
Sen. Craig: I'm sure you do.
Sgt. Karsnia: I'm sure you do too, sir.
Sen. Craig: In government, so do I.
Sgt. Karsnia: I'm sure you do. We deal with a lot of people that are very bad people. You're not a bad person.
Sen Craig: No, I don't think I am.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. So what I'm telling you is, I don't want to be lied to.
Sen. Craig: Okay.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. So we'll start over, you're going to get out of here. You're going to have to pay a fine and that'll be it. Okay. I don't call the media. I don't do any of that type of crap.
Sen. Craig: Fine.
Sgt. Karsnia: All right, so let's start from the beginning. You went into the bathroom.
Sen. Craig: I went in the bathroom...
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. And when you went into the stalls, then what?
Sen. Craig: Sat down.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. Did you do anything with your feet?
Sen. Craig: Positioned them. I don't know. I don't know at the time. I'm a fairly wide guy.
Sgt. Karsnia: I understand.
Sen. Craig: I tend to spread my legs when I lower my pants so they won't slide.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay.
Sen. Craig: Did I slide them too close to yours? Did I, I looked down once, your foot was close to mine...
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. And then with the hand. Um, how many times did you put your hand under the stall?
Sen. Craig: I don't recall. I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up...
Sgt. Karsnia: I saw there's a...
Sen. Craig: My right hand was next to you.
Sgt. Karsnia: I could tell it with my ah, I could tell it was your left hand because your thumb was positioned in a faceward motion. Your thumb was on this side, not on this side.
Sen. Craig: Well, we can dispute that. I'm not going to fight you in court and I, I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper.
Sgt. Karsnia: But I'm telling you that I could see that, so I know that's your left hand. Also, I could see a gold ring on this finger, so it's obvious it was the left hand.
Sen. Craig: Yeah, okay. My left hand was in the direct opposite of the stall from you...
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. You, you travel through here frequently, correct?
Sen. Craig: I do.
Sgt. Karsnia: Um...
Sen. Craig: Almost weekly.
Sgt. Karsnia: Have you been successful in these bathrooms before?
Sen. Craig: I go to that bathroom regularly.
Sgt. Karsnia: I mean for any type of other activities.
Sen. Craig: No. Absolutely not. I don't seek activity in bathrooms.
Sgt. Karsnia: It's embarrassing.
Sen. Craig: Well, it's embarrassing for both. I'm not gonna fight with you.
Sgt. Karsnia: I know you're not going to fight me. But that's not the point. I would respect you and I still respect you. I don't disrespect you but I'm disrespected right now and I'm not trying to act like I have all kinds of power or anything, but you're sitting here lying to a police officer.
Sen. Craig: I, I, I...
Sgt. Karsnia: It's not a (inaudible) I'm getting from somebody else. I'm (inaudible). I am trained in this and I know what I am doing. And I say you put your hand under there and you're going to sit there and...
Sen. Craig: I admit I put my hand down.
Sgt. Karsnia: You put your hand and rubbed it on the bottom of the stall with your left hand.
Sen. Craig: No. Wait a moment...
Sgt. Karsnia: And I'm not dumb, you can say I don't recall....
Sen. Craig: If I had turned sideways, that was the only way I could get my left hand over there...
Sgt. Karsnia: It's not that hard for me to reach. (inaudible) It's not that hard. I see it happen every day out here now.
Sen. Craig: Okay. You do. (inaudible)
Sgt. Karsnia: I just, I just, I guess, I guess I'm gonna say I'm just disappointed in you, sir. I just really am. I expect this from the guy that we get out of the hood. I mean, people vote for you.
Sen. Craig: Yes, they do.
Sgt. Karsnia: Unbelievable, unbelievable.
Sen. Craig: I'm a respectable person and I don't do these kinds of...
Sgt. Karsnia: And (inaudible) respect right now though.
Sen. Craig: But I didn't use my left hand.
Sgt. Karsnia: I thought that you...
Sen. Craig: I reached down with my right hand like this to pick up a piece of paper.
Sgt. Karsnia: Was your gold ring on your right hand at any time today?
Sen. Craig: Of course not. Try to get it off. Look at it.
Sgt. Karsnia: Okay. Then it was your left hand. I saw it with my own eyes.
Sen. Craig: All right, you saw something that didn't happen.
Sgt. Karsnia: Embarrassing, embarrassing. No wonder why we're going down the tubes. Anything to add?
Det. Nelson: Uh, no.
Sgt. Karsnia: Embarrassing. Date is 6/11/07. At 12:36, interview is done.
Sen Craig: Okay.
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louisev:
Good god. And we have people like this sending kids to Baghdad.
Kelda:
interesting. The problem here, of course is not the incident, 2 consenting adults can do what they like as long as it doesn't involve me, IMO but the lying, well thats a whole different ball-game. But thats what politicians throughout the world do I'm afraid.
Shasta542:
--- Quote from: Kelda on August 31, 2007, 07:00:07 am ---interesting. The problem here, of course is not the incident, 2 consenting adults can do what they like as long as it doesn't involve me, IMO but the lying, well thats a whole different ball-game. But thats what politicians throughout the world do I'm afraid.
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Thank you, Kelda, for the unbiased reflection. I appreciate that.
Men who lie and do things they shouldn't have always been the ones who send the troops---not just the ones who are being sent to Baghdad. And we are the ones who send those men into power, so ultimately--the finger points back to us. Even if we didn't vote for the ones who are in office now, I'm sure at one time or another, the person we put into power was not the best choice. If not -- that would be an exception.
David In Indy:
I typed part of this out for you earlier, but here is the interrogation tape in its entirety. It starts out a little muddy, but it gets better later on. This clip is about 10 minutes long.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfYGm3kT1k4[/youtube]
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