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Front-Ranger:
--- Quote from: southendmd on September 11, 2022, 02:54:25 pm ---How'd you like it?
This is the famous intermezzo, with our favorite performer, Hauser:
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That was divine, friend. I liked the music very much. It captures the lyricism of Sicily. On the last night I was on the island in 2020, we stayed outside of Palermo in the hills and this was my view.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on September 12, 2022, 06:46:28 pm ---The storyline is always a variation on the woman who went wrong and is punished by losing her reputation or dying and the men are always strutting around.
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Ugh. I'm surprised that doesn't draw more ire from the feminist community. Plots like that are really dated -- from a time when men didn't really understand women but thought they did, didn't understand gender equity or justice but thought they did. I just saw, maybe in a Facebook post, people trashing Anna Karenina.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on September 14, 2022, 02:44:03 pm ---Ugh. I'm surprised that doesn't draw more ire from the feminist community. Plots like that are really dated -- from a time when men didn't really understand women but thought they did, didn't understand gender equity or justice but thought they did. I just saw, maybe in a Facebook post, people trashing Anna Karenina.
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That's just silly. Anyone from the feminist community (or any community, for that matter) who is going to spend time trashing novels or any works of art from more than a century ago because they don't meet today's standards needs to get a life.
Anybody who tries to do that with opera would run the risk of being pilloried by a bevy of Opera Queens. ;D
serious crayons:
Or ... That's just silly. Anyone from the feminist Black community (or any community, for that matter) who is going to spend time trashing racist novels or any works of art blackface shows from more than a century ago because they don't meet today's standards needs to get a life.
Don't worry, I haven't heard of any feminists marching against Anna Karenina. But works of old art and literature are obviously going to be full of sexism and racism because most of their creators were sexist and racist, at least to some degree. To say nobody should voice objections is silly, especially because many of those things are still taught as the cannon. I'm not advocating banning them, but it's certainly fair to discuss the perspectives of yesteryear and call them out if appropriate.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on September 15, 2022, 05:37:29 pm ---Or ... That's just silly. Anyone from the feminist Black community (or any community, for that matter) who is going to spend time trashing racist novels or any works of art blackface shows from more than a century ago because they don't meet today's standards needs to get a life.
Don't worry, I haven't heard of any feminists marching against Anna Karenina. But works of old art and literature are obviously going to be full of sexism and racism because most of their creators were sexist and racist, at least to some degree. To say nobody should voice objections is silly, especially because many of those things are still taught as the cannon. I'm not advocating banning them, but it's certainly fair to discuss the perspectives of yesteryear and call them out if appropriate.
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It certainly is fair, and I suppose many an academic hour is spent on that. But I wouldn't "call them out." To me that phrase sounds like an attack--like attacking a work because it reflects the time in which it was created.
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