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TJ:
Oh, I think that real men who are normal and have been properly raised by great parents can talk about emotion and understand emotion as well as women can. I just found it odd that Larry McMurtry who writes about women with emotions who talk about emotions in his own novels gave that reason for adding women to the screenplay adaptation. Any man who is a writer and cannot show, talk, or write about emotion himself would have few or no female characters in his works.

I have had two different courses, each in separate institutions of higher learning, related to the study and criticism of literature. The one at Northeastern State College (Tahlequah, Oklahoma) which I took as a grad Education student was an English course called "Literary Criticism. The one which I took at Oral Roberts Universtity (Tulsa, OK) when I was a graduate theology student was called "Interpreting the Bible" and was commonly called "Biblical Hermeneutics." While the literature in each course was about different areas of study and different types of literature, the basic hermeneutic principles/rules were the same for both classes. "Hermeneutics" refers to the critical study of any kind of literature. 

Considering the fact that Lureen's book character was very much like her father's, I would say that that Lureen might have volunteered to lie for Jack if he would get lost as far as her own life was concerned. After all, it was a loveless marriage and Jack had only married her in hopes to get financial help from her father so he could continue to be a bull rider.

While the movie Lureen has a little tear, the book Lureen "was polite but the little voice was cold as snow" when she talked to Ennis on the phone. I think that the reason she only suggested that Ennis go up to Lightning Flat was due to Ennis asking if Jack's folks were still there. (That phone call is the only time Lureen is quoted in the book.)

She could have been 100% correct in that Jack had wanted his ashes scattered up on Brokeback Mountain and he could have had that written down in will. Jack was not a person who told everybody every little thing about himself. He never told Ennis that he wanted him to go up with him to work on the Twist ranch; he only spoke to his father about Ennis and him doing that.

I read what Ang Lee said, in an interview, about Lureen lying to Ennis on the phone before I even saw the movie.

Jack's father never uses the word "ashes" in his talking in the book. Mr. Twist uses "he" when he talks about the family plot and Jack.

Oh, I have no issue whatsover with Annie Proulx and her writing the story. She has always been completely open about her heterosexual orientation and her attempt to understand what a closeted homosexual who would be a cowboy in Wyoming would go through because of the homophobia in Wyoming. (I need a proof-reader to help me be sure I wrote that correctly. I hope the reader understands what I mean.) And, Annie Proulx sometimes used subtle hints of things which were not exactly like characters in the book thought they were. (The "no instruction manual needed" was used as irony in the first night in the tent scene in the book; because Ennis already knew how to have sex with another guy. The reason for Ennis's evidence of the clear slick also shows that Ennis had been sexually aroused during the deepened intimacy scene in the book's narrative.)

IMO, what happened outside of wherever Ennis was during the story could have been shown as scenes with a narrative "voice-over" telling what was going on.

When Ennis talked about what he saw when he was about 9 years old, no one in the flashback scene even talked.

delalluvia:
Interesting POV TJ, don't agree with the Lureen lying for Jack thing, but interesting nonetheless.

It is difficult for a member of one sex to write about another.  Some do it better than others, I imagine Proulx had her hands full not only writing about the opposite sex, but about characters who did not relate well to women.

silkncense:
I think a great writer can write from any point of view.  Literature would be in a sorry state otherwise.

And, although I have not studied "Hermeneutics" - I still think your interpretation is not logical within the sense of the story. 

To each their own, however.

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