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How Did Jack Die?
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: isabelle on May 22, 2006, 07:31:40 am ---"I'm the son of rage and love." Just SPOT ON to describe Jack! Did you find this yourself? (*Bows in admiration*)
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It's from Green Day's epic rock operetta, "Jesus of Suburbia." There are several lines in there and in other songs on the same album that aptly describe Jack, like "And there's nothing wrong with me - this is how I'm supposed to be" and "In a land of make-believe, they don't believe in me" and "I leave behind this hurricane of fucking lies" and "I've walked this line a million and one fucking times, but not this time" and "I'm the patron saint of their denial" and "I'm walking on the line that divides me somewhere in my mind, on the borderline of the edge and where I walk alone."
The very first line of "Jesus of Suburbia" is "I'm the son of rage and love." And the very best one.
bbm_stitchbuffyfan:
--- Quote ---I agree ednbarby. Except the Jimbo/bar scene also serves to precipitate Jack into marriage.
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How do you figure this? Was Jack trying to cover his tracks or something?
I agree that we are not supposed to know exactly how Jack died and for all we know, it could've been either way. It makes the story even more powerful and a nice benefit is that either way, be it a freak accident or a gay-bashing, the story flows beautifully.
(I have gone back and forth on which fate Jack met, as Ennis has, but lately, I've been thinking it was the tire iron.)
cmr107:
I think if we were really supposed to know how he died, we wouldn't need to have this discussion. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad discussion, I'm just saying that I don't think either Annie Proulx or anyone involved with the movie intended for us to know for sure.
opinionista:
I think Jack's death was an accident. But Proulx is ambiguous about it to show Ennis' state of mind. Ennis has no proof whatsoever to think that Jack was indeed killed. It's all in his mind, it's part of his fears and perceptions of life.
amh:
From the time I first saw the movie Dec. 31 until about two months ago I was squarely in the gay-bash camp, but I've since switched to the "we'll never know for sure" camp. That's what too much time spent on Internet discussion boards will do to you.
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