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How Did Jack Die?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: cmr107 on June 05, 2006, 02:50:14 pm ---I think if we were really supposed to know how he died, we wouldn't need to have this discussion. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad discussion, I'm just saying that I don't think either Annie Proulx or anyone involved with the movie intended for us to know for sure.
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Bingo! Well said. I think Ang Lee wanted it to be unambiguous, but as he tried to make it work, the story wouldn't let him. ;D So, in agreement with the writers and screenplay writers and Fate itself, Ang Lee gave in and it ended ambiguously.
I personally think it was an accident, but agree we'll never know.
David In Indy:
Phillip -
I think Jack was killed in a gay bashing attack.
It looks like many people here agree with me.
Rayn:
--- Quote from: opinionista on June 05, 2006, 03:53:46 pm ---I think Jack's death was an accident. But Proulx is ambiguous about it to show Ennis' state of mind. Ennis has no proof whatsoever to think that Jack was indeed killed. It's all in his mind, it's part of his fears and perceptions of life.
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I agree with opinionsta.
If Jack were murdered, then the tire that exploded, the rim and the rest of the scene would have had to be staged by this killers and I don't think such a thing is as believable as a simple accident. I reason that it was an accident and the rest was in Ennis' mind, a product of his childhood fears of gay bashing that had been seeded so well by his cruel father. In the book it actually says when Ennis talks to Jack's father, he comes to the conclusion that Jack was killed, but I believe, although he will sort it out in time, he can never know for sure, nor can we.
Rayn
JT:
I beleive Jack died in a gay-bashing because it fit so well with the story's theme of homophobia. From Earl's death to Aguirre's discusted look to Jimbo's put down, they all are hostile. Jack could easily be shot by Aguirre or bash to death by Jimbo and his gang of clowns. Plus, the things we seem to fear the most often happen to the people we love the most. But like everyone else, including Ennis, we will never know for sure.
Rayn:
--- Quote from: JT on July 21, 2006, 02:03:11 pm --- Jack could easily be .... bashed to death by Jimbo and his gang of clowns.
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Murdered by a gang of rodeo clowns! :o
I can't help but see them all in costume too. Damn, now there's an image only the "Killer Clown" John Wayne Gacy would enjoy. What a twisted idea, but we all know, it's possible in real life too. Yikes... I don't like to focus too long on such f**ked up true to life things, I'm outa here. Later!
Rayn
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