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OT: It's a BUST guys: DA VINCI
slayers_creek_oth:
--- Quote from: rtprod on May 23, 2006, 06:17:23 pm ---Well I think this is a healthy topic instead of everyone sitting around agreeing what a masterpiece Brokeback Mountain is.
Debate teams can lead to discoveries.
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Ok well I'm gonna bow out of the debate...because it's really not worth it to me....especially since very few people are seeing eye to eye and its only going to create rifts between friends and friends friends and so on and so forth....
So just know that everyone is cool with me.... ;D
You ever wanna debate immigration or politics....I'm your man! LOL
JCinNYC2006:
It feels like there's a lot of underlying stuff going on here in trading what are basically opinions. What's really being 'debated'? Whether the movie should be considered good because it's making a lot of money? Who's opinion carries more weight? Debates are a lot more informative when there's some acknowledgement that another perspective has some merit.
Juan
rtprod:
--- Quote from: JCinNYC2006 on May 23, 2006, 06:38:47 pm ---It feels like there's a lot of underlying stuff going on here in trading what are basically opinions. What's really being 'debated'? Whether the movie should be considered good because it's making a lot of money? Who's opinion carries more weight? Debates are a lot more informative when there's some acknowledgement that another perspective has some merit.
Juan
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Actually I'm going to bow out of this one too. Nothing underlying in my position, Juan. I originally started this thread to discuss the quality of the film and other issues seeped in as if to invalidate the role of a critic, so I sought to discuss. In my mind I was discussing, at length, the divide between money and art, and its effect on careers and disconnect from quality, as well as other things like objectivity, etc. But I can't argue with "it's making money" because I was initially talking about something else. So, on to the next...
rt
vkm91941:
Well I certainly enjoyed using this mediocre film (my word based on both rt and Chris's reviews) as a catalyst to look at the greed in Babylon and the need for tripe with a built in audience to succeed as a means of supporting the system and providing the revenue to make art.
I do want to say before we let this topic die in to to that it is a tribute to the high esteem that both rt and Chris are held in within this community and by their friends that folks began to get a little testy and defensive..However when that begins it is time to call a halt since fictionalization was never the intention of either.
Good discussion guys
rtprod:
--- Quote from: vkm91941 on May 23, 2006, 08:54:43 pm ---Well I certainly enjoyed using this mediocre film (my word based on both rt and Chris's reviews) as a catalyst to look at the greed in Babylon and the need for tripe with a built in audience to succeed as a means of supporting the system and providing the revenue to make art.
I do want to say before we let this topic die in to to that it is a tribute to the high esteem that both rt and Chris are held in within this community and by their friends that folks began to get a little testy and defensive..However when that begins it is time to call a halt since fictionalization was never the intention of either.
Good discussion guys
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Hi Vic,
Thanks for your words here and bringing this one back around to the logical center. What a fascinating and frustrating issue this is regarding movies and money today, huh? At any rate, thanks to all who chimed in here -- had no idea this would be such a hot button!
rt ;D
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