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Was Ennis Gay?
Artiste:
Thanks brokeplex!
You say:
he was not gay?
so he was just bored with Alma when he agreed to meet with Jack after 4 years? sorry that just doesn't make sense to me. if he wasn't gay, and his sex with Jack on the mountain was just for convenience, then after 4 years he would have had no interest in Jack.
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May I say that possibly Ennis can be viewed as straight, since some heterosexual men do have sex with another man (who is straight or gay), and do you think so, or seen that??
Hugs!
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: Artiste on March 17, 2008, 10:40:30 pm ---Thanks brokeplex!
You say:
he was not gay?
so he was just bored with Alma when he agreed to meet with Jack after 4 years? sorry that just doesn't make sense to me. if he wasn't gay, and his sex with Jack on the mountain was just for convenience, then after 4 years he would have had no interest in Jack.
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May I say that possibly Ennis can be viewed as straight, since some heterosexual men do have sex with another man (who is straight or gay), and do you think so, or seen that??
Hugs!
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sure but they don't "reconnect" after "four fuckin' years" unless they are gay. Ennis had to feel something beyond the need for a quicky with Jack. That means he was gay, he was not straight, and his bisexuality was just for appearances.
Artiste:
Thanks brokeplex!
I would like to think like you: that Ennis is gay!
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You replied to my post:
sure but they don't "reconnect" after "four fuckin' years" unless they are gay. Ennis had to feel something beyond the need for a quicky with Jack. That means he was gay, he was not straight, and his bisexuality was just for appearances.
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And may I reply: that is just it: Ennis wanted more but he did slave himself to appearances!!
He thought maybe too much that society (some in it) would kill him if ever he considered himself gay?
So, he did ONLY appearances with Jack, once in a while!! - That way, he is straight!
Gay wise, Ennis is something else?
Au revoir,
hugs!
optom3:
I think initially he was sexually naieve,
Then he very reluctantly realises he could be gay,he is attracted to Jack.In TS2 he goes to Jack.
Then he realises he is in love and gay,as per the alley scene after comming down from the mountain.
He quashes those feelings, but interestingly ,although he conforms by marrying,he,sorry no other way to put this,always takes Alma from behind.He also tells her he would be quite happy to leave her alone if she doesn't want any more kids.
He obviously does not want sex with her, just to have sex.
He may never be happy with the fact that he is gay,but I still think he none the less knows it.That i s what makes it so gut wrenching for me.Sort of in another time, another era, another place,it may all have been different.
The 2 most poignant sentences in the book for me is when they are in the motel,and Ennis says to Jack,"Took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn't a let you out a my sights.Too late by then by a long long while"
That is said by a man in love.In love with another man,which I think means gay.
He is trapped by convention ,prejudice,and his own fears, into a life that is untrue to his feelings and sexual inclination.But it does not mean those inclinations do not represent the man.
In much the same way some men are trapped in mens bodies and vice versa.
Artiste:
Thanks optom!
Very, very well detailed and said!!
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However, I have known some men who have sex with me, often, and never did consider themselves gay!
What about those?
You can answer and others can too,
hugs!
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