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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2006, 04:46:10 pm »
I disagree that teenagers shouldn't be shown things that are disturbing. As an example -- when I was a sophomore in high school (16 years old), my European history class watched a documentary on the Holocaust (called, I think, "Night and Fog"). It was profoundly disturbing -- more than 20 years later, I can still remember an image of hair lying in piles. For some reason, that particular image tore at me and left me crying, even later. But the documentary also made me think, and made me talk to my friends, and made me start to try to understand how human beings could ever behave like that. And I think that was an important thought process to begin -- I think it was more important to begin asking those sorts of questions about the world than it was to be taught various sets of facts or various political points of view. After all, in two more years we would all be old enough to vote. Sixteen is time to begin to think about the world that we would encounter as adults.

Brokeback Mountain is disturbing in exactly the right way for teenagers, I think. It doesn't preach -- it raises questions and leaves them room to think for themselves, and I think that's exactly what teenagers need.

Also -- the Kentucky class mentioned in the article was a "senior cinematography class," which means the students were mostly 17 or 18 years old -- old enough to watch R-rated movies in a theater without the consent of their parents. And two and a half minutes of cinematography without any sexual content -- you know, that probably consisted of mountains, sheep, and music.
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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2006, 10:44:05 pm »
Wouldn't you call Schindler's' list disturbing? I am sure many of you will it call disturbing and  poignant. And even though one has read about the holocaust and that it remains to many a horror unparalleled, I still say that there is something in BBM which touches your inner core. After watching BBM you feel like your soul has been through something searing. I mean wild horses won't drag me to read another of AP's strories if the general theme is so depressing! I heard there is a story about a fat girl who talks to tractors! Coming to the subject I still  feel the movie shouldn't be shown in schools not at all for its gay ( how I hate the word) content but for reasons I'd stated earlier! It might even give hooligans an excuse to torment pupils with homosexuals leanings! I had a horrid schooling 1) for being fat in India 2) for being dark in Moscow.

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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2006, 11:02:31 pm »
A high school English teacher in Kentucky is catching heat for showing her students 2 1/2 minutes of the movie Brokeback Mountain. The teacher, who was not named, reportedly showed a short clip of the award-winning film in a senior cinematography class at Boyd County High School.

"Senior" in the latter sentence means they were 12th Grade High School Students and they were 17-18 years old.

Since the movie is rated "R" in the USA, 12th grade students can go to a theater by themselves without a parent or guardian to view Brokeback Mountain.

And, what 2 1/2 minutes did they actually see?

In some locations in the USA, Junior High is 7-9 grades and Senior High (Sophomores, Juniors Seniors) is 10-12 grades. In our local city library, 7th graders can check out books like Brokeback Mountain and since library patrons can do self-checkout these days, no one working in the library even knows what books they take do read.

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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2006, 11:35:18 pm »
That's OK then, a 17 year old kid is big enough! 

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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2006, 12:20:48 pm »
While it may not be appropriate for the entire film to be shown in public school, 2 1/2 minutes of non-sexual content shouldn't be a big deal. It's a cinematography class after all. And, let's face it, by the time they're seniors (and in most cases MUCH younger) it's too late to pretend kids don't KNOW everything some of the public feels they shouldn't.  It could be compared to my attitude about myself: I'm much older than I try not to look.
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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2006, 12:27:59 pm »
Oh, I forgot to mention that DVDs, no matter what the rating, can be checked out by those who are not considered "children" at the local library. That means they can check out Brokeback Mountain, too.

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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2006, 01:01:15 am »
What about the fact that both the leads puff away to glory and drink like fish! That's ok with adults! But kids mustn't be subjected to such "splendours" so early in life! This movie is very very disturbing and adults like me don't how to deal with it - how can one expect children to do so!

hm, there's sex, murder, and drunkenness in Shakespeare too, but no one complain about teaching those work to even our elementary school students, let alone high schoolers. the uproar is all about sexuality, so let's not even pretend.

no one is saying let show the film and teach kids that drinking and smoking is great, and that the men are saints. it's a thought provoking film, and that's why it's important. Teenagers should see it and have the opportunity to discuss the issues.
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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2006, 12:49:37 pm »
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hm, there's sex, murder, and drunkenness in Shakespeare too, but no one complain about teaching those work to even our elementary school students, let alone high schoolers. the uproar is all about sexuality

So does the Bible!
Next someone might suggest that students should write dissertations on books authored by Nancy Friday!

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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2006, 01:01:15 pm »
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So does the Bible!
Next someone might suggest that students should write dissertations on books authored by Nancy Friday!


no idea who Nancy Friday is, so I won't be the one to suggest it.  ;D

but Brokeback Mountain is a significant piece of art. Even leaving aside the social/political issues, on a literary level, it's a great piece of work to deconstruct. If it wasn't for the controversy, I would consider it being taught in high school for analysis of symbolism, metaphors, story structure, character development, and so on. I think it's definitely right to be taught in cinematography class. As has been discussed, the cinematography used in the film more than captures events but is used to actually comment on characters' emotional and psychological state. It's definitely brilliant work.

I do want to go back to the idea of "mandatory" for high school. I think unless you have teachers who can effectively lead discussions. In my mind, I can see it going really badly if it were my high school, where students will made rude comments and not allow others to take it seriously. I would love it if every teenagers saw this film, but they do need to see it and discuss it with older adults. The examples that the parenting members have have given of their experience with their children is exactly how teens should see this film, rather than in schools.
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Re: KY teacher sshows BBM clips to students
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2006, 01:38:20 pm »
Vic,

That's a cute mail! Thank You!
In no way BBM is fit to be shown at schools. It is erotic, disturbing and very very unnerving! Can you dispute these facts? More than eroticism, the subject matter is extremely shocking, as I said before the author gifts to you a sense of total hopelessness in those mere words of hers. Ennis' trailor scene - both in the movie/book - is like watching Dafour (Sudan) unfolding in front of you! An Olympian tradegy! 

But as a mother you know the best and what you teach your children is only to be decided by you and nobody else.  Thanks, pinku

Pinku the evening news casts are often erotic, or disturbing and EXTREMELY unnerving and shocking...if you allowed it to, the state of world could convey a sense of total hopelessness to you.  We are all living an Olympian tragedy everyday!  If parents shield and protect their children from the everyday realities of life then they are VERY POOR PARENTS.  My job as a mother is to love and nurture my children into adulthood.  One of the biggest and most crucial aspects of that job is to COMPLETELY prepare them to live in the very real world outside so that when they venture out to begin their own lives they are not unprepared, shocked, dismayed  or victimised by it.  But instead are ready to meet the challenges of living in this world head on secure in themselves and their place with a balanced view point, optimism, compassion and integrity.
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