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Is It Time For the US To Change Its Gun Laws?
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: forsythia12 on February 15, 2008, 01:57:12 am ---well, let me say firstly, i live in canada, and our gun laws are absolutely ridiculous. there were several gun shootings in the city where i grew up,(vancouver, bc) right now i live in a remote little city full of farms and forests, and outdoor life. when i lived in the city, guns meant something else. they meant to do harm to others. out here, guns are for pleasure in target practice, skeet shooting, hunting, personal protection....etc...
i have been out with friends learning gun safety, shooting targets, and it's really fun. i am studying now to get my firearms liscense, and i'm excited about it. .....but, the people in parliment who know nothing about guns have introduced absurd gun laws, so much so that a person who owns a handgun cannot use it, transport it, or even clean the freaking thing. so, in a nut shell, freaks who take guns to schools have set the bar for new legislation, and now everyone has to pay...
not to mention, guns used in crimes ARE NOT REGISTERED GUNS. they are stolen guns.
i could go on and on and on and on about our gun laws, but, all in all......they don't work. they're pathetic. my husband and i, and friends of ours, who are firearm enthusiasts, have discussed many times what they need to do, but we all agree tougher laws don't help. ......or at least, the types of laws canada has introduced thus far are not fixing the problem. i don't know what the answer is, but canada is not the place to look. there are several shootings here. so far, in 2008, vancouver has had 8 murders due to gun violence, and that's just one city...so yes, it does happen here despite our laws.
and about the comments about police officers. yes, i understand you're frustration when stories about time delays have costed lives, but my husband is a cop and i'll tell you first hand that they do the best they can everyday they put their lives on the line for all of us.
in meyerthorpe alberta a few years back we lost four rcmp members due to a psycho attacked them with a rifle.
our laws did not help those men.
as the saying goes....guns don't kill people....people do.
right now, our justice system is the problem. no one gets punished in this country anymore. our judges are way too easy on convicted criminals, and it makes me sick to see what people get away with.
a few years ago, a gas station attendant tried to stop a car who was doing a 'gas and dash', and while trying to stop the car, he got run over, and the gas theives dragged him under the car for 8 blocks until there was nothing left of the poor boys body.
the driver and passenger got about 4 years or something in prision.
now, instead of punishing the criminals properly, we now have a pre-pay policy when we buy gas. it's ridiculous. you go in, guess how much gas you need, pay, then they turn on the pumps and some attendant pumps the exact amount you paid for, and not a penny more.
so now, we are all paying because this is such a hassle...especially if you guess the wrong amount, or need a little more than expected.
if someone is going to steal gas, they're going to steal gas...so now, the criminal is going to go inside the store, point a gun at the clerk and tell him to turn on the pumps...and i'll tell you now, more deaths are going to happen.
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Hi Forsythia!! Thanks for posting your comments and ideas! We appreciate it. It sounds like you are pro guns, which is absolutely fine.
I'd love to hear your ideas as a Canadian as to what we here in the US could do in order to help alleviate the increase in shootings inside our country. I'd very much value your comments.
Oh! By the way, anyone is welcome to post in this thread. I'd love to hear from some of our non American brokies about this. Maybe some of the things you are doing in your countries could help us here in the US.
forsythia12:
well, i guess i'm pro guns. like i said in my post, being in this town has shown me another side to guns that i never knew before. i used to hate them.
so i'm pro gun, if the guns are owned and operated by the right people, for the right reasons.
i'm pro gun safety, knowledge, and proper use of one.
i don't hunt, but i'm not anti-hunt either.
i'm pro rights...and i hate it when good peple, have to pay due to some sort of "blanket solution " that doesn't solve anything.
i'll keep checking in, and posting on this thread. my friends and husband have some good ideas, so i'll pass those ideas on here.
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: forsythia12 on February 15, 2008, 02:23:30 am ---well, i guess i'm pro guns. like i said in my post, being in this town has shown me another side to guns that i never knew before. i used to hate them.
so i'm pro gun, if the guns are owned and operated by the right people, for the right reasons.
i'm pro gun safety, knowledge, and proper use of one.
i don't hunt, but i'm not anti-hunt either.
i'm pro rights...and i hate it when good peple, have to pay due to some sort of "blanket solution " that doesn't solve anything.
i'll keep checking in, and posting on this thread. my friends and husband have some good ideas, so i'll pass those ideas on here.
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Thanks! We'd love to hear their opinions too! :)
And thank you for taking the time to offer your opinions as well.
--- Quote --- so i'm pro gun, if the guns are owned and operated by the right people, for the right reasons.
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I think that is the key to the whole problem right there. The question is HOW do we do it?
brokeplex:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501206&in_page_id=1811
here is the link to the story about the heroic security guard that stopped a massacre in the Colorado Megachurch. I am afraid that this is the wave of the future, we will have to protect ourselves with armed guards and pack our own.
forsythia12:
well, in the town i'm currently living in, the weapon of choice is a HAMMER. yes, a hammer. domestic violence runs wild here, due to alcohol abuse and they choose a hammer because most of these individuals have a criminal record, so they don't have guns.
so should we have stricter hammer laws?
should hammers be registered?
background checks be done at your local home depot before you can legally purchase a hammer?
obviously not because then EVERYONE would have to pay because some thugs decided to misuse their hammers...which is what is happening with guns now.
the point is, guns are not the problem....the lack of penalties is. criminals are not punished anymore.
criminals are going to do what they're going to do whether they have access to a gun or not....afterall, they can use a hammer to get the job done if they wanted.
stiffer penalties is where we need to look.
and as far as packing our own guns....well, that's not the solution either. i mean cops carry loaded guns ready to go everyday , and yet they get shot all the time.
criminals don't engage in fair 'draws' like the old west on the count of three. they blow you away without warning, before you can defend yourself, and once they do, they face very soft and fluffy consequences...so where's the deterant?
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