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Loneliness in Intervals
Brown Eyes:
Yup, I think you're right. I think that (in addition to sex, because I do think he's also refering to sex here) he's talking about companionship with someone who truly understands him... or at least companionship with someone for whom he doesn't have to fake he's straight. At least with a male prositute he doesn't have to put up that facade, even if the situation ends up being degrading and ultimately unsatisfying.
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: atz75 on May 23, 2006, 11:43:38 pm ---Yup, I think you're right. I think that (in addition to sex, because I do think he's also refering to sex here) he's talking about companionship with someone who truly understands him... or at least companionship with someone for whom he doesn't have to fake he's straight. At least with a male prositute he doesn't have to put up that facade, even if the situation ends up being degrading and ultimately unsatisfying.
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Really Amanda? Not about sex? I always interpreted that this was about sex because Jack first says: "You have no idea how bad it gets. I... I'm not you, I can't make it on a couple of high-altitude f*cks once or twice a year...". I guess you could argue the romance angle because the relationship is really what this scene is all about, but if I put myself in Jack's head I see him not really making a distinction between being with Ennis and sex with Ennis, and I think this because: "So what we got now is Brokeback Mountain, everything's built on that, that's all we got boy...".
And just because you might like a little extra work-out today: :)
--- Quote from: atz75 on May 23, 2006, 07:56:14 pm ---I totally agree that he has a fear of abandonment. I think this plays directly into his dry-heaves moment after the first summer and into his anger in the argument scene. I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in Ennis (no surprise, probably) since I think he probably is also a true loner. Yeah, I do think he does better on his own in between camping trips than Jack. I think Jack needs or craves daily companionship much more. I like the idea that Ennis can sustain himself when he's alone just knowing that Jack is out there somewhere and that they'll get together again sometime soon. It's very interesting to me how little they communicate with each other between the camping trips. No phone calls or letters. I'm sure this makes it extra hard on Jack. I think his little cry "you have no idea how bad it gets" really is like his breaking point about all this separation from Ennis.
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I really don't see Ennis as having much of a fear of abandonment, and I think what you say in your post here (the contradiction) is the reason I say this. I think Ennis' defining quality is his fear of who he is, this and his almost non-existent self-esteme drives everything else about him, especially his lonliness. I also find it interesting about the lack of communication, but maybe not overly surprising: it was left to Jack to finally look for Ennis, and it took him four years to get around to it! I mean, I hope I'm never in an emergency and relient on someone like these guys to call for help! ;)
David:
Well, loneliness is something we all experience and can relate to in this movie. Whether it is current or just feared. I agree that Ennis almost embraces his loneliness. Jack no doubt fears it.
I myself haven't seen my Ennis since February 18th when we saw BBM together. I must admit I miss him so much I can hardly stand it. I'm trying to be good and keep away from him. But It is hard. (no pun intended)
:-\
moremojo:
--- Quote from: DavidinHartford on May 24, 2006, 10:49:55 am ---
I myself haven't seen my Ennis since February 18th when we saw BBM together.
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That's the very date I saw BBM for the first time! It was one day before my thirty-ninth birthday anniversary, and I was accompanied by my mother and my sister. Little did I know that my life would change that evening.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on May 24, 2006, 06:22:16 am --- I always interpreted that this was about sex because Jack first says: "You have no idea how bad it gets. I... I'm not you, I can't make it on a couple of high-altitude f*cks once or twice a year...".
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I agree, Chris. Obviously overall Jack misses Ennis for more than just sex. But in reference to "high-altitude f*cks" and in "...then you ask me about Mexico and tell me you'll kill me for needing somethin' I don't hardly never get," I think he is talking bout sex. These remarks are made largely in response to Ennis' threat about Mexico.
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