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David In Indy:
--- Quote from: optom3 on June 02, 2008, 12:36:54 am ---I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.
I never thought I would hear myself say that.In the U.K the right wing is a lamb compared to here. But it is as well to rmember that it was Tony Blair and his left wing government which took the U.K into war,against the will of pretty welll all the country and on the back of some now disproved facts.
So I think sometimes it is more to do with personality than politics.
Tony Blair was young when he came to power.He ws going to change Britain beyond all recognition.He did, he took us into a war we did not want.He promised no more sleaze and his govenment had some of the worst scandals ever.
I give up on politicians,they all become corrupted by power. That I think is the crux of the matter. It must take a very very strong person to remain uncorrupted by the truly enormous amount of power they have,
Is it possible to be a leader and honest,or is that just a contradiction in terms. If so, then the best option wuld be for a form of coalition government, where there is a counter balance at all times.
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I think it's a contradiction in terms. Yes. So far, we have caught ALL THREE candidates in lies, including Barack Obama. By the way, I voted for Barack in the Indiana primaries, and I will vote for him again in the national election this November. But they ALL lie. None of them are honest. Like you said, the enormous power they crave is all too powerful, and they will say or do anything... ANYTHING to obtain it. We can only hope to elect the lesser of the two evils. And in my opinion that would be Barack Obama.
Anybody ANYBODY is better than George Bush. He lied us into a war many Americans opposed in the first place, then attacked the wrong country, and THEN after the TRUTH was revealed, claimed he based the invasion "on the facts at the time". Well alrighty then!
Lord have mercy. ::) >:( >:(
Shasta542:
I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.
It's okay to be left wing if that's what you want to be, Optom3. That is your choice in a free country. But please don't lump all in the right wing as being the same. All right wingers aren't fascist/all left wingers aren't socialists.
The left wing extremists and the right wing extremists BOTH have their demons.
The rest just have a difference of opinions. If not, we'd be a one-party state like China or Cuba.
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: Shasta542 on June 02, 2008, 03:41:17 am ---I actuallythought I was right wing until we moved here. The right wing here is bordering on fascist.They are so far over to te right,I now think I must be left wing.
It's okay to be left wing if that's what you want to be, Optom3. That is your choice in a free country. But please don't lump all in the right wing as being the same. All right wingers aren't fascist/all left wingers aren't socialists.
The left wing extremists and the right wing extremists BOTH have their demons.
The rest just have a difference of opinions. If not, we'd be a one-party state like China or Cuba.
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Well said Shasta!! :)
Shasta542:
--- Quote from: DavidInIndy on June 02, 2008, 03:49:33 am ---Well said Shasta!! :)
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:) :-* You and I should run, David. :P ;D
J/K !!!!
Clyde-B:
Please also remember that most people are not "liberal" about everything or "conservative" about everything.
I tend to be "liberal" about social issues and very "conservative" about fiscal issues.
The Bush administration claims to be "conservative," but they spend money like it was water.
It's gotten to the point where the meanings of the terms have become so muddled that their primary value is as epithets.
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