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Barack Obama vs. John McCain
Shasta542:
I just consider any birth control method to be an alternative to abortion.
I'm not talking about health issues that are dealt with by abortion.
I am talking about -- a woman doesn't want a baby, a woman wants to have sex with a man, and in an effort to not have a baby -- a woman uses one of the many birth control methods on the market. I don't see what is so hard about that.
Shasta542:
--- Quote from: injest on May 24, 2008, 03:17:17 pm ---how does everyone feel about splitting this topic? we seem to be off the original subject?
--- End quote ---
It doesn't have to be split on my account. I will get back on topic.
injest:
Marge is talking about AFTER the woman is already pregnant and Shasta is talking about BEFORE...
yes after she is pregnant there is only two choices (although a huge assortment of ways to do them these days)
and BEFORE there are TONS of ways to not get pregnant...
Shasta542:
John McCain.
I'm sure everyone knows that he refused early release from a VN POW camp even tho he was considerably underweight and had severe dysentery AND faced torture and beatings for the refusal. He says that the thought of going home to his family and sleeping in a clean bed was a wonderful thought. But the thought of going against the code and leaving comrades who'd been there longer made him stay.
He eventually was beaten so much that he had broken bones, and was tortured into making a statement that he didn't believe. That has been a hard thing for him to get over, but he has forgiven himself.
He continued to be beaten for communicating with other POW's, declining to meet with American "peace delegations", etc. Quoting from his book:
Whenever I emerged from the interrogations room after a few hours or a few days of punishment, I tried to make a show of my indifference to my circumstances. Whether I walked of my own accord or was dragged by guards back to my cell, I always shouted greetings to the prisoners whose cells I passed, smiled, and flashed a thumbs-up. In the years since I came home, I have occasionally been embarrassed to hear some of my fellow POW's commend me for those attempts at good cheer. They believed they were intended to boost their spirits. In truth, they were mostly intended to boost my own.
I think he's a gritty character. To me -- he may be a little stubborn with a bad temper. But he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and he seems to be aware of his own faults.
His mom is spunky at 95/96 ? and he thanked her for helping him with some of the stories about the family. I liked this part:
She was quite generous with her time despite her initial suspicion that I was "just trying to show off."
Haha -- seems she still tells him just what she thinks about him. He credits her with his learning resiience in persevering. She did her best to raise him right.
injest:
--- Quote from: Shasta542 on May 24, 2008, 04:18:49 pm ---John McCain.
I'm sure everyone knows that he refused early release from a VN POW camp even tho he was considerably underweight and had severe dysentery AND faced torture and beatings for the refusal. He says that the thought of going home to his family and sleeping in a clean bed was a wonderful thought. But the thought of going against the code and leaving comrades who'd been there longer made him stay.
He eventually was beaten so much that he had broken bones, and was tortured into making a statement that he didn't believe. That has been a hard thing for him to get over, but he has forgiven himself.
He continued to be beaten for communicating with other POW's, declining to meet with American "peace delegations", etc. Quoting from his book:
Whenever I emerged from the interrogations room after a few hours or a few days of punishment, I tried to make a show of my indifference to my circumstances. Whether I walked of my own accord or was dragged by guards back to my cell, I always shouted greetings to the prisoners whose cells I passed, smiled, and flashed a thumbs-up. In the years since I came home, I have occasionally been embarrassed to hear some of my fellow POW's commend me for those attempts at good cheer. They believed they were intended to boost their spirits. In truth, they were mostly intended to boost my own.
I think he's a gritty character. To me -- he may be a little stubborn with a bad temper. But he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and he seems to be aware of his own faults.
His mom is spunky at 95/96 ? and he thanked her for helping him with some of the stories about the family. I liked this part:
She was quite generous with her time despite her initial suspicion that I was "just trying to show off."
Haha -- seems she still tells him just what she thinks about him. He credits her with his learning resiience in persevering. She did her best to raise him right.
--- End quote ---
I do admire his personal character, Shasta...which will make it easier for me to vote for him over Obama if it comes down to that.
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