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I LOVE YOU PHILLIP MORRIS
delalluvia:
--- Quote ---I don't believe he does. Twice just in the section of his commentary that I quoted, he refers to Carrey's character as a thief. A "swishy thief," to be sure, but he does refer to the character as a thief.
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But he failed to make the connection of Russell's occupation with his attitudes toward money and entitlement.
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on December 31, 2010, 05:09:44 pm ---Actually, Segal addressed that aspect of the film, too. I just chose not to go into it when I wrote last night. He thinks the prison environment aspect of the film comes off as way too positive:
"According to this film, life in prison is pretty good for gay guys, since we can buy most anything we want and fall in love."
As Del might point out, however, this ignores the fact that these guys did actually meet and fall in love in prison.
BTW, Mark Segal notwithstanding, I won't be seeing this film because I can't abide Jim Carrey!
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I think Segal was just trying to make a political point and has been watching too many cable prison shows. Russell was never in the blocks with hard-timers. His crimes were always white-collar. There was some mingling of course, and the movie DOES address how scary life can be in prison - Russell notices Phillip when he's leaving the scene of a fight, Russell does pay someone to beat up others and there are also problems for gays in particular. Ewan's character Phillip actually does state how he never goes out in the 'yard' because of what happens to men like him. They don't have to show what men in prison do to men like him for me to believe it.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on December 31, 2010, 08:43:42 pm ---But he failed to make the connection of Russell's occupation with his attitudes toward money and entitlement.
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No, I don't believe he did.
--- Quote ---I think Segal was just trying to make a political point and has been watching too many cable prison shows. Russell was never in the blocks with hard-timers. His crimes were always white-collar. There was some mingling of course, and the movie DOES address how scary life can be in prison - Russell notices Phillip when he's leaving the scene of a fight, Russell does pay someone to beat up others and there are also problems for gays in particular. Ewan's character Phillip actually does state how he never goes out in the 'yard' because of what happens to men like him. They don't have to show what men in prison do to men like him for me to believe it.
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Of course he was trying tp make a political point.
SFEnnisSF:
This is not the masterpiece that Brokeback Mountain is. This is not a gay rights movie or a "forward the gay cause" movie. Not everyone will like this movie. However, this movie got shelved and had a difficult time being released here in America because of it's gay content. Which after you see the movie you see the gay aspect of it is really second nature to the fact that the movie is about him being a con man. Doesn't seem like Segal got this though. Seems he was looking for this to be another Brokeback Mountain. Which it is not. It's just a true story told. It's a Dramedy, and a very well done one if you ask me. But, due to the fact that it was shelved just because it had gay content in it is reason enough IMO to tell Hollywood not to do this again by buying a ticket to see it.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: sfericsf on January 01, 2011, 01:46:42 pm ---This is not the masterpiece that Brokeback Mountain is. This is not a gay rights movie or a "forward the gay cause" movie. Not everyone will like this movie. However, this movie got shelved and had a difficult time being released here in America because of it's gay content. Which after you see the movie you see the gay aspect of it is really second nature to the fact that the movie is about him being a con man. Doesn't seem like Segal got this though. Seems he was looking for this to be another Brokeback Mountain. Which it is not. It's just a true story told. It's a Dramedy, and a very well done one if you ask me. But, due to the fact that it was shelved just because it had gay content in it is reason enough IMO to tell Hollywood not to do this again by buying a ticket to see it.
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Agree. Segal was looking for another tragedy that dealt with the problems of gay men in the world, showed gay men in a positive light, furthered the cause, etc., etc. and he was disappointed with a true life story that was nothing like - or supposed to be like - Brokeback. So he ripped it for being 'stereotypical' ignoring that it was a true story and that the story was basically about a criminal in love.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on January 01, 2011, 02:01:32 pm ---Agree. Segal was looking for another tragedy that dealt with the problems of gay men in the world, showed gay men in a positive light, furthered the cause, etc., etc. and he was disappointed with a true life story that was nothing like - or supposed to be like - Brokeback. So he ripped it for being 'stereotypical' ignoring that it was a true story and that the story was basically about a criminal in love.
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Not to go all OT here, but we could probably devote an entire thread just to a discussion of how "true" movies that are "true stories" really are. ILYPM is not, after all, a documentary.
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