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Ian McKellen Pissed Off at Jake

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starboardlight:

--- Quote from: rtprod on March 30, 2006, 11:32:56 pm ---Okay, like I posted this afternoon, I disagree with nearly everyone.

You're an actor -- get over it.  Stop.  Now.  It's another human being, and Heath very nicely said this in Rolling Stone.  Kissing another person is not awful no matter what the sex.  New?  Yes.  Uncomfortable?  Maybe a little.  But the level of apprehension and hurdles Jake claims he faced were not believable or professional to his craft.  I know, I know, he's a young kid, etc.....

European actors are very candid and complimentary about their same-sex onscreen trysts.  No ego or fears or defenses.

Jake, for all the Gyllenhaalics who will crucify me, continued on ad nauseum (anyone see the Oprah hand-kiss?  Now that grossed me out) about his prejudices, fears, etc., though I think it was Ang Lee who said that Jake's personal feelings came out in the tent scenes (or the first one)...

Go ahead -- give me hell!   ;D

Sorry guys...   

rt

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and he did get over it. i just think it's cool that he admits to having to confront the internalized homophobia. It would be ideal if we didn't have homophobia, but truth is, it's there in us. Even the most liberal of us, even gay men, have internalized homophobia. Admitting it is not a crime. It's actually the first step to confronting it.

delalluvia:

--- Quote from: rtprod on March 30, 2006, 11:44:38 pm ---Hi Del,

I think Jake was talking (on and on and on) about something other than just the general overall nervousness of acting. 

He was, at every turn, asserting his offscreen heterosexuality (if that even turns out to be the case we are not yet sure), distancing himself from the characters by alternately claiming they were straight guys who just happened to fall in love, etc., combined with his talk (and talk) about his own prejudices, etc. 

Why not just do like Gael Garcia Bernal, Antonio Banderas, Stephane Rideau and Javier Bardem (who said he personally had to find a way to be attracted to his costars in Before Night Falls)?  They all praised the material, their director and costars as attractive, said the experiences were about learning and growing as people, and certainly pleasant. 

Jake's push-pull of the press, material and his own odd takes on the characters and his sexuality really turned me off.  And I like Jake, so I have no bias against him.  I found his remarks increasingly bizarre and sort of offensive, though he didn't intend them as such.

Just my twenty cents or so.

rt

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Jaike's words on 'straight guys' was very early in his interviewings.  Remember, Jake hasn't been exposed to so much interviewing in his entire life, probably.  He got better at interviews as time went on.  And also, he realized how some of his words could be taken out of context or misinterpreted or perhaps he just didn't express himself as well as he wanted to.

Ian - actor par excellence - should know that.

rtprod:
Hi Starboard,

I agree with you that admitting it is not a crime.

But actors, dealing with material this sensitive and meaningful to so many people, need to be careful about how much offscreen baggage they attach to it.  It can spoil the viewing experience when we are trying to imagine how fantastic and beautiful a love scene is for Jack Twist if Jake Gyllenhaal has distanced himself from it and given uncomfortable anecdotes about the shoot. 

This is true of Debra Winger and Richard Gere, who did not get along during An Officer and a Gentleman, and it's true of Jake, in my opinion. 

rt

monimm18:

--- Quote from: rtprod on March 30, 2006, 11:32:56 pm ---Go ahead -- give me hell!   ;D
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LOL, nah, we luv ya anyway, but I wanted to point this out for ya:


--- Quote ---European actors are very candid and complimentary about their same-sex onscreen trysts.  No ego or fears or defenses.
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I think European actors are in a different situation than the American ones. The European audiences are less homophobic than the American one, IMO because of the totally different role and position religion has in Europe. It would take me pages to compare the European and the American audiences, they are alike and yet so different on so many levels and issues, but I noticed that, however controversial and detested a role an actor played, they never get the axe from the public or the film industry over there.


--- Quote ---You're an actor -- get over it.  Stop.  Now.  It's another human being, and Heath very nicely said this in Rolling Stone.  Kissing another person is not awful no matter what the sex.
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I thought his fears were more about how the scenes will be viewed by the audience and the consequences, but I might be wrong. Also, there are so many speculations on his sexuality that maybe he was just trying to make sure this role won't start another wave of rumors. I think, nobody likes to be labelled something they're not (or something they're not ready to admit they are...)


--- Quote ---Jake, for all the Gyllenhaalics who will crucify me, continued on ad nauseum (anyone see the Oprah hand-kiss?  Now that grossed me out)
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That, I agree with. I was uncomfortable watching him doing the stupid hand kiss thing; I thought he was just trying to be funny and went too far. He kinda does that, you know - remember the Conan pissing gesture, or the Ellen shirt off thing.


--- Quote ---I think it was Ang Lee who said that Jake's personal feelings came out in the tent scenes (or the first one)...
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Just curious when Ang said that and what he really meant by it.

 

slayers_creek_oth:
I think Ian is overreacting......misinterpreting what Jake said and it almost seems to be a little out of context....

JMO

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