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My sexual orientation and my positions on gay rights
letxa2000:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 22, 2008, 11:18:18 pm ---Exactly, Clyde and Amanda. In the end, lexta's arguments, like all the arguments against gay marriage, simply come down to one word: Prejudice.
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How do you figure that I have prejudices? Believe it or not, the fact that I don't agree with gay marriage doesn't mean I have prejudices against gays. That is similar to calling me racist just because I won't vote for Obama, and I won't have it.
letxa2000:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on September 22, 2008, 11:36:21 pm ---I disagree with you here, the "full faith and credit" clause takes care of recognizing interstate contracts, and marriage is just such a contract. no difficulties will be found in some states having same sex marriage or civil unions, and others not having them.
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Difficulties have already been had.
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 22, 2008, 11:27:17 pm ---Tradition, and respect for tradition, and a little but of "give" on the part of the gay community when the conservative community is "giving" quite a lot by accepting the option of civil unions.
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Traditions are constantly being modified. "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1951. Should we yank it back out? Anti-Miscegenation laws were struck down in 1967 opening up interracial marriage. Should we go back to allowing marriage only to couples of the same race? Traditions and the concept of marriage are not static. Your contention that they are is in error.
Sometimes the best way to respect a tradition by expanding it to be more inclusive.
--- Quote ---It would be a case of equal but equal.
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You have yet to establish a need for two separate sets of legislation. (A real need as opposed to just wanting it that way.)
--- Quote ---Having said that, if you think that by calling yourselves "married" that you will be free of discrimination, that's obviously silly. If anything I think that it would simply heighten discrimination and negative attitudes against gays.
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Why is there a negative attitude toward gays? And who has this attitude? You?
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 22, 2008, 11:39:23 pm ---How do you figure that I have prejudices? Believe it or not, the fact that I don't agree with gay marriage doesn't mean I have prejudices against gays. That is similar to calling me racist just because I won't vote for Obama, and I won't have it.
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Now whose argument isn't sound? You are saying that equal rights for ALL citizens is the same as not voting for ONE candidate?
letxa2000:
--- Quote from: Clyde-B on September 22, 2008, 11:50:22 pm ---Traditions are constantly being modified. "Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1951. Should we yank it back out? Anti-Miscegenation laws were struck down in 1967 opening up interracial marriage. Should we go back to allowing marriage only to couples of the same race? Traditions and the concept of marriage are not static. Your contention that they are is in error.
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You're equating relatively minor modifications to marriage law to monumental changes in the overall concept of what marriage is. I'm getting the very distinct impression that you just don't understand how significantly radical what you're asking for is in the eyes and hearts of many people.
--- Quote ---Sometimes the best way to respect a tradition by expanding it to be more inclusive.
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And sometimes the best way to respect tradition is to leave it alone.
--- Quote ---You have yet to establish a need for two separate sets of legislation. (A real need as opposed to just wanting it that way.)
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And you have yet to establish a need to for the union of gays to be called marriage of civil unions provide the exact same rights and benefits.
--- Quote ---Why is there a negative attitude toward gays? And who has this attitude? You?
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I don't, actually. I don't understand the preferences of gays but I have no ill-will towards them nor do I care what they do in their bedrooms and I wouldn't hold that against them in my dealings with them. A decade and a half ago I had friends that were gay and it didn't bother me in the least. However, I am offended by an insistence that I be forced to bend society's traditional definition of something as basic as marriage to accommodate their preferences. I'm willing to give you the legal rights. But if you push me to call it "marriage," no.
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