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Did Jack wait too much time for Ennis to come around?

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nakymaton:

--- Quote from: opinionista on June 08, 2006, 12:56:01 pm ---I think Jack was having those 5 minutes of wonderful from Ennis before that spur of the moment trip he makes to Wyoming. After that, I don't think he was happy anymore. For me, there's no point in meeting someone once or twice a year, just for just a week or less, then spend the rest of the months feeling miserable most of the time, forcing yourself to have sex with people you don't like, crying your eyes out every night because you miss that person so much that you can't hardly stand it. I think it's humiliating, it's a torture, especially if you know that situation is not going to change. But that's my opinion.

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"He said it was his favorite place. I thought he meant for drinking. Jack drank a lot." (Quote's from memory and may be wrong; I cry too damn much at that point in the movie to remember the dialogue.)

We only see hints of the toll that the post-divorce years took on Jack. I mean, he doesn't look quite alive again, not in the way he does laughing after demonstrating that rodeo cowboys are all f***-ups, or in bed after the reunion, or when he sees Ennis on the pre-divorce fishing trip. And we know he sought out other men. But we don't see the drinking.

I don't know what I would tell Jack, though, if I could talk to him. Like ednbarby, I've gotten out of a bad relationship... but you know, it's a heck of a lot easier to move on when the potential new partners 1) are the right sexual orientation most of the time and 2) don't have to worry about letting the world know they're attracted to me. Jack didn't have those advantages. He was still a small-town guy, too, even though he moved out of Wyoming and had more money than Ennis.

It's just a goddamn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation.

gattaca:
I can't speak for Jack (and I don't need to) - all I can say is that I'd have done it. I'd have stuck it out. I have before, and I would again.
Is it worth that 5 minutes?

You bet.

jpwagoneer1964:
Jack loved Ennis and would not and could not give up on him. On the last fishing trip he said "tell you what....the truth is..... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it". Even after the bitter arguement in the final moments of that last trip he rushes to comfort Ennis after so much was said" Its all right...its all right". I think he does come th accept that it may never me more than this and to "let it be" as it is and always has been.

starboardlight:

--- Quote from: opinionista on June 08, 2006, 12:56:01 pm ---Jack deserved to feel better about himself, to feel fully loved and that he belonged with someone. We all do. In the movie there are many scenes where Jack is shown feeling out of place. He felt he didn't belong anywhere, not with Lureen, not with his family, not with Ennis, because Ennis kept rejecting him, and not with society. That is why I think he should've loved himself some more.  At least it's something I learned for myself, although I know that, as David points out, love can be blind, deaf, mute and stupid.

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yes, he does deserve so much more. I understand your frustration. You just wish it could work out. You wish Jack wasn't disappointed over and over again.

I do think that even to the very end, Jack knew that Ennis loved him. I certainly think that he felt like he belonged with Ennis, and that's why it was worth it for him to come back to Ennis as long as he did.

It is difficult to imagine going through a life time of that, but for most gay men and women, that's not even an option. For rural men of that time, finding love an exception. Mostly, it's just anonymous encounters.

ednbarby:

--- Quote from: starboardlight on June 09, 2006, 02:25:51 am ---It is difficult to imagine going through a life time of that, but for most gay men and women, that's not even an option. For rural men of that time, finding love an exception. Mostly, it's just anonymous encounters.
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This makes me so sad for all gay men and women experiencing this.  But it also gives me a good measure of happiness for Jack and Ennis and those like them that they found each other.

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