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Morning after
Jeff Wrangler:
I certainly didn't mean to make a big deal over socks/no socks. I just happened to notice in the film that Ennis is wearing socks when he strips to "warsh" because Annie Proulx makes such a point in the story of Jack noticing that Ennis doesn't wear socks or underwear.
Personally, I can't imagine not wearing socks. Blisters, calluses. ... Unless, of course, Ennis hadn't worn socks in years, so this feet were like leather.
I can see how some might consider Jack's coat a continuity error, but it never occurred to me to see it that way. I guess it depends on what you "bring" to the film. My shoulders get cold quite easily. I always wear a t-shirt to sleep in cold weather. It's the most natural thing in the world to me to put a t-shirt on before going to sleep after having sex, so I always just assumed Jack just put his coat back on because it's cold.
But maybe it is a continuity error. :D
serious crayons:
I've always assumed the reason Annie Proulx mentioned the no underwear/no socks detail was to let us know Jack watched Ennis bathing. That was changed for the movie (I mean the watching, not the socks, though those, too) which is better, I think, because there's more tension in not-watching.
Movie Ennis probably wears socks because, as you guys point out, no socks would be absurdly uncomfortable, even for Ennis.
nic:
There have been some funnies in this thread that got me smiling...
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on June 14, 2006, 09:00:33 am ---... And in story and film, it's Jack who bitches about the "friggin' cold" weather.
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Well, Jack bitches about a lot of things for a boy!!
--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 16, 2006, 09:39:24 am ---...Movie Ennis probably wears socks because, as you guys point out, no socks would be absurdly uncomfortable, even for Ennis.
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:laugh: :laugh:
This is yet another fascintaing scene, superbly acted. I found when I was watching the film for the first time, even though I knew the story, I couldn't tell they were getting close enough to get it on at this stage until we got to Ennis sleeping outside the tent the night before. On that first viewing I missed a lot of the subtle getting-to-know-you details. Now I view it as a build up & the FNIT is a massive realease of tension for me as the viewer, not just the guys. So it is realy incredible how the next morning a different kind of tension is immediately brought to the viewer again, that of not being able to determine Ennis's reaction. No matter how many times you see it, that feeling of Jack's pensiveness & Ennis's turmoil is there, almost palpable.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: nic on June 16, 2006, 10:14:20 am ---So it is realy incredible how the next morning a different kind of tension is immediately brought to the viewer again, that of not being able to determine Ennis's reaction.
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I was just reading elsewhere(the indiscernible details thread) a post, copied from imdb, by a guy who wasn't that crazy about the movie and doesn't get why other people are, or say they are. Anyway, your mention of not being able to determine Ennis' reaction made me think -- maybe some people, like that guy, just aren't comfortable with ambiguity. Maybe they see a scene like that and think, oh, Ennis is probably upset (or whatever) but his reaction isn't entirely clear, therefore the scene is flawed. Whereas many of US see the scene and think, isn't it great that we don't know exactly what he's thinking and have to go into his head and try to figure it out for ourselves, and maybe not every viewer will come up with the same answer?
And not just that scene -- lots of scenes. Or, like you, on first viewing I missed a lot of the subtle getting-to-know-you details, too. Some people would say they're just not there, whereas people who love the movie either saw them immediately or had the patience to try and find them.
Mikaela:
--- Quote ---I think we need to see all the other takes of the first tent scene to find out. You know, to see if Jack takes off his jacket in all of them. Supposedly Jake tends to play his takes quite differently from one another...
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You *do* know that would of necessity make me think he may have taken off *more* clothes in one or more of those 13 takes? :P Yes, I agree now more than ever that we do need to see all the takes. ;)
Sorry everyone if this is lowering the tone of the thread too much. I'm in a slightly silly mood. It's Friday evening, I really should smarten up and head on over to a Social. Or sumphin'.
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